I have stumbled across an issue with FormHelper#text_field and thought it was worth a patch. The ticket (with patch) is here http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/6908 It seems like my solution can''t be applied because the form helper methods really needs to use the *_before_type_cast methods because of numerical attributes. (By the way, the actionpack tests do not show that yet) The thing is that the problem hit something inside me and I got thinking: should we really try to override the default attribute accessors? I mean, there are .read and .write_attributes for those of us who want to, but should we? What I was originally trying to have was something like def title result = read_attribute(:title) return title_from_name || PLACE_HOLDER_TITLE.t if result.nil? || result.empty? return result end (Rough translation: in case there isn''t a title, generate a default one based on the name) But, because of the before_type_cast issue, I had to use something along these lines def title; title_before_type_cast; end def title_before_type_cast result = read_attribute(:title) return title_from_name || PLACE_HOLDER_TITLE.t if result.nil? || result.empty? return result end ...and that hurts. A lot! Not to mention that it may have introduced some subtle bugs that will come back to haunt me in the future. I could also have tried renaming the db column to db_title or something, but that doesn''t seem right either. I thought about using something like validates_*, but this isn''t really a validation. We are just providing some sample data that would be tedious for the user to enter in many cases. Is there any idiomatic solution for that? Cheers, Thiago Arrais --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---