Hi everyone, I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample supply (if any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby backend. We currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m interested to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d love to hear about it :) Cheers, Brendon Muir -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I would rather recommend a markup language like BlueCloth. WYSIWYG editors are simply not good enough and leave way too much room for mistakes. And a messy code that has a great danger of destroying the look and feel of the page in the wrong hands. I like Typos solution of using BlueCloth and then a live preview that is automatically refreshed. On 5/29/06, Brendon Muir <brendon@spikeinsights.co.nz> wrote:> Hi everyone, > > I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in > Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample supply (if > any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby backend. We > currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m interested > to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails > application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have > manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS > CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. > > Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d love to > hear about it :) > > Cheers, > > Brendon Muir > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- -------------- Jon Gretar Borgthorsson http://www.jongretar.net/
You could just try a plain old JavaScript editor. That sort of thing doesn''t actually require any server-side stuff if you think about it. Just so long as it''s made to support all browsers. TinyMCE should do the job: http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_full.php?example=true -N On 29/05/06, Brendon Muir <brendon@spikeinsights.co.nz> wrote:> Hi everyone, > > I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in > Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample supply (if > any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby backend. We > currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m interested > to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails > application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have > manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS > CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. > > Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d love to > hear about it :) > > Cheers, > > Brendon Muir > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Oh, of course, you will need your own validation using regular expressions to make sure that no-ones sent tags their not allowed to. Just basically one to match all b, i, u and whatever other tags you want to give the option of, and strip out anything else which looks like a tag. -N On 29/05/06, njmacinnes@gmail.com <njmacinnes@gmail.com> wrote:> You could just try a plain old JavaScript editor. That sort of thing > doesn''t actually require any server-side stuff if you think about it. > Just so long as it''s made to support all browsers. TinyMCE should do > the job: > http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_full.php?example=true > -N > > On 29/05/06, Brendon Muir <brendon@spikeinsights.co.nz> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in > > Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample supply (if > > any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby backend. We > > currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m interested > > to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails > > application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have > > manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS > > CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. > > > > Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d love to > > hear about it :) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Brendon Muir > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >
The best one from a point of maintaining markup quality is the dojo editor, since you can nail down exactly what the user can or cannot do. There were a few issues involved in integrating with rails but I believe that this has been sorted now, at least in the latest revisions. Check on the dojo list for more details, there''s definitely been a few people there with some experiece of integration. Ross On 5/29/06, njmacinnes@gmail.com <njmacinnes@gmail.com> wrote:> Oh, of course, you will need your own validation using regular > expressions to make sure that no-ones sent tags their not allowed to. > Just basically one to match all b, i, u and whatever other tags you > want to give the option of, and strip out anything else which looks > like a tag. > -N > > On 29/05/06, njmacinnes@gmail.com <njmacinnes@gmail.com> wrote: > > You could just try a plain old JavaScript editor. That sort of thing > > doesn''t actually require any server-side stuff if you think about it. > > Just so long as it''s made to support all browsers. TinyMCE should do > > the job: > > http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_full.php?example=true > > -N > > > > On 29/05/06, Brendon Muir <brendon@spikeinsights.co.nz> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in > > > Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample supply (if > > > any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby backend. We > > > currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m interested > > > to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails > > > application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have > > > manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS > > > CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. > > > > > > Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d love to > > > hear about it :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Brendon Muir > > > > > > -- > > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Ross Riley riley.ross@gmail.com
On May 28, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Brendon Muir wrote:> Hi everyone, > > I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in > Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample > supply (if > any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby backend. We > currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m > interested > to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails > application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have > manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS > CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. > > Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d > love to > hear about it :)TinyMCE and the FCK editor work fine with a ruby back end (both work okay out of the box). If you want to add more sophisticated stuff down the road, and if I were you I''d be assuming that will be the case no matter what you think now :-) then you''ll have to implement some back-end stuff in ruby. This isn''t hard for either editor so don''t worry about it. I''ve used both and *I* prefer TinyMCE but I know perfectly reasonable people who prefer FCK. The Dojo editor looks very promising, but the last time I looked it wasn''t competitive with either tinyMCE or FCK. It is worth watching. There is also, apparently, an editor that is part of the OpenLaszlo system but I have not used it. Cheers, Bob> > Cheers, > > Brendon Muir > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails---- Bob Hutchison -- blogs at <http://www.recursive.ca/ hutch/> Recursive Design Inc. -- <http://www.recursive.ca/> Raconteur -- <http://www.raconteur.info/> xampl for Ruby -- <http://rubyforge.org/projects/xampl/>
> Check on the dojo list for more details, there''s definitely been a few > people there with some experiece of integration.+1 on the Dojo Editor See http://blog.innerewut.de/articles/2006/05/22/dojo-and-rails-or-better-dojo-and-the-base-relative-path Jonathan
I have just got FCKEditor to work under Rails. So far I am quite impressed. I needed an editor which allowed me to upload images using the same interface. FCK does this quite nicely. Luckily Michael Moen had already made some code that enabled the FCK file upload interface to work with Rails. Here is the link : http://www.underpantsgnome.com/projects/fckeditor-on-rails/ I hope this helps Kind Regards Hamza -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Thanks everyone for your suggestions :) I forgot enable email notification and forgot about the post :) I will look into the features of these editors. I like KTML4''s file browser and the ability to upload as many files as you want at one time using a regular file browsing window (ctrl + click type selection). Plus it has a built in image editor! With regards to using BlueCloth (which I haven''t actually looked at yet - but will), I''m basically selling this software to schools and the users usually have absolutely no idea about what they''re actually doing in the background (When making a page). And that''s the way it''s supposed to be, or they wouldn''t have a reason to buy it! :) Another editor that I have been particularly impressed with (but we dropped them because they didn''t keep up with the bleeding edge of features) was InnovaStudio. Their editor has the most polished interface that I''ve ever seen and acted the most like the evil office applications that we love to hate (end users love this). So I just thought I''d put that out there :) Cheers, Brendon -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I''ve used innovastudio editor for the last couple of years. It is in active development so they release versions fairly regularily. I just implemented it for a Rails-based CMS and it is working great. I highly recommend it. www.innovastudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060606/d1b11f1b/attachment.html
Heh good timing on this discussion. I wrote and released a Rails plugin for integrating TinyMCE into Rails applications in roughly 3 lines of code. My friend John Wulff blogged a tutorial about how to utilize it last week: http://johnwulff.com/articles/2006/05/31/tinymce-with-ruby-on-rails You can fetch the code from https://secure.near-time.com/svn/plugins/ trunk/tiny_mce I provide Rake tasks to automate the installation of TinyMCE into your public/javascripts (and will provide an upgrade task after TinyMCE ships a new build). Turning on the editor is done via a simple DSL in your controller: uses_tiny_mce :only => [:new, :edit] And a two liner in your layout view: <% # Include TinyMCE before other JS to avoid problems -%> <%= javascript_include_tiny_mce_if_used %> <%= tiny_mce if using_tiny_mce? %> I don''t think it could be made much easier. :-) TinyMCE is excellent, highly customizable, and supports extension through modular plugins. I highly recommend it. Cheers, Blake -- Blake Watters Lead Developer Near-Time, Inc. http://www.near-time.net/ On May 28, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Brendon Muir wrote:> Hi everyone, > > I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in > Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample > supply (if > any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby backend. We > currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m > interested > to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails > application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have > manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS > CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. > > Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d > love to > hear about it :) > > Cheers, > > Brendon Muir > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
This is great for technical users, but end-users in the real world balk at using any sort of markup. Some editors (like my favorite TinyMCE) emit pretty acceptable XHTML output and certainly deliver a better experience to the average end user. I''ve been a fan of Textile for some time, but I tell you after working off of TinyMCE for a couple of weeks its a much more natural experience. Cheers, Blake On May 28, 2006, at 9:42 PM, Jon Gretar Borgthorsson wrote:> I would rather recommend a markup language like BlueCloth. > WYSIWYG editors are simply not good enough and leave way too much room > for mistakes. And a messy code that has a great danger of destroying > the look and feel of the page in the wrong hands. > I like Typos solution of using BlueCloth and then a live preview that > is automatically refreshed. > > On 5/29/06, Brendon Muir <brendon@spikeinsights.co.nz> wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in >> Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample >> supply (if >> any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby >> backend. We >> currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m >> interested >> to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails >> application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have >> manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS >> CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. >> >> Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d >> love to >> hear about it :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Brendon Muir >> >> -- >> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > > > -- > -------------- > Jon Gretar Borgthorsson > http://www.jongretar.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Safari support is still unusable for _all_ WYSIWYG editors. I''d provide an alternate editing interface built around Textile or Markdown if you need to support Safari users. Or provide links to Camino and Firefox as alternatives and a nice message explaining that JavascriptCore''s design mode is broken and they should complain to Apple. Blake On May 28, 2006, at 9:47 PM, njmacinnes@gmail.com wrote:> You could just try a plain old JavaScript editor. That sort of thing > doesn''t actually require any server-side stuff if you think about it. > Just so long as it''s made to support all browsers. TinyMCE should do > the job: > http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_full.php?example=true > -N > > On 29/05/06, Brendon Muir <brendon@spikeinsights.co.nz> wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in >> Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample >> supply (if >> any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby >> backend. We >> currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m >> interested >> to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails >> application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have >> manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS >> CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. >> >> Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d >> love to >> hear about it :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Brendon Muir >> >> -- >> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
You don''t actually need to complain to Apple. Much better to contact the developers themselves at http://webkit.opendarwin.org/ (And test drive the beta version of Safari while you are doing it) As you can see at http://webkit.opendarwin.org/projects/compat/hitlist.html they are well aware of this and are working on it. The dev blog for Safari is also a great read for those who want to get more info on the web standards. On 6/6/06, Blake Watters <blake@near-time.com> wrote:> Safari support is still unusable for _all_ WYSIWYG editors. I''d > provide an alternate editing interface built around Textile or > Markdown if you need to support Safari users. > > Or provide links to Camino and Firefox as alternatives and a nice > message explaining that JavascriptCore''s design mode is broken and > they should complain to Apple. > > Blake > > On May 28, 2006, at 9:47 PM, njmacinnes@gmail.com wrote: > > > You could just try a plain old JavaScript editor. That sort of thing > > doesn''t actually require any server-side stuff if you think about it. > > Just so long as it''s made to support all browsers. TinyMCE should do > > the job: > > http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_full.php?example=true > > -N > > > > On 29/05/06, Brendon Muir <brendon@spikeinsights.co.nz> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I''m currently investigating re-writing our School CMS application in > >> Rails and the only drawback I can see is there isn''t an ample > >> supply (if > >> any) of WYSIWYG In-browser editors written with a raw Ruby > >> backend. We > >> currently use KTML4 which is written with PHP as a base. I''m > >> interested > >> to hear from anyone who''s integrated a PHP based editor into a rails > >> application and how you interfaced between the two. KTML4 does have > >> manual integration instructions for how to insert it into the many OS > >> CMS system''s out there so there is some doco available. > >> > >> Also, if there is something better out there written in Ruby I''d > >> love to > >> hear about it :) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Brendon Muir > >> > >> -- > >> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rails mailing list > >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- -------------- Jon Gretar Borgthorsson http://www.jongretar.net/
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:01:30 -0400, Blake Watters wrote:> Safari support is still unusable for _all_ WYSIWYG editors. I''d > provide an alternate editing interface built around Textile or > Markdown if you need to support Safari users.Actually Dojo works quite well. I''m going to put it in a rails app one of these days (as soon as I finish some more pressing tasks). It works perfectly with Safari. However, as I said I''ve not yet used it as a developer, therefore I don''t know how easy is it to use.
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:05:12 +0200, Enrico Franchi wrote:> Actually Dojo works quite well.I didn''t specify: it works well with Safari.
On 6-jun-2006, at 5:01, Blake Watters wrote:> Or provide links to Camino and Firefox as alternatives and a nice > message explaining that JavascriptCore''s design mode is broken and > they should complain to Apple.Double ugh. Now that''s a reason to lock users out, I imagine. -- Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov please send all personal mail to me at julik.nl
On 6-jun-2006, at 11:29, Enrico Franchi wrote:> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:05:12 +0200, Enrico Franchi wrote: > >> Actually Dojo works quite well. > > I didn''t specify: it works well with Safari.And there was a fair amount of faithful bitchin'' on the part of the dojo developer about how terribly broken JSCore is :-) -- Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov please send all personal mail to me at julik.nl
On 6/6/06, Enrico Franchi <rik0.py@gmail.com> wrote:> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:05:12 +0200, Enrico Franchi wrote: > > > Actually Dojo works quite well. > > I didn''t specify: it works well with Safari.Actually, it doesn''t. The editor loads, but many of the most important buttons (ie links and images) don''t work - this was true w/ 0.2.2 and 0.3, it may be different in HEAD, but I doubt it. I also ran into strange issues where the Editor would just continually load in Safari and never complete, until Safari bombed - this only seemed to happen where I was replacing a text area onload programmatically. You can see editor 2 for yourself right here, btw - just try it in Safari: http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/tests/widget/test_Editor2.html As a previous poster said, design mode in Safari is broken as only a few pieces of the api are implemented. So any rich editor will be broken unless the developers want to do a lot of Safari specific work arounds (only to have to remove them later when the webcore team catches up). - Rob -- http://www.robsanheim.com http://www.seekingalpha.com http://www.ajaxian.com
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:25:18 -0500, Rob Sanheim wrote:> Actually, it doesn''t.The demo I tried worked. However it had no link buttons. Actually it seems we tried it not enough extensively. Thanks for pointing it out. You saved us a lot of work, indeed. :)