I''m not really aware of anything offering the same functionality as Rails. However if you''re looking for a Model2 (MVC) PHP framework I would try CakePHP at http://cakephp.org/ dave On 10/21/05, Alessandro Cauduro <news-/kv94B6L94ZwFqzsTH5u/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''ve have a very tight schedule project that MUST (not my option), be > developed in PHP. Is there a Rails based framework for this platform? > > I like the Rails way of things, but in this case, I cannot choose the > programming language, so please don''t offend me J > > Thanks in advance, > > Alessandro > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D''Andrew "Dave" Thompson http://dathompson.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I''ve have a very tight schedule project that MUST (not my option), be developed in PHP. Is there a Rails based framework for this platform? I like the Rails way of things, but in this case, I cannot choose the programming language, so please don''t offend me :-) Thanks in advance, Alessandro _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I think symphony might be what you are after. They advertise as the rails of php http://www.symfony-project.com/ -Peter --- Alessandro Cauduro <news-/kv94B6L94ZwFqzsTH5u/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''ve have a very tight schedule project that MUST > (not my option), be > developed in PHP. Is there a Rails based framework > for this platform? > > I like the Rails way of things, but in this case, I > cannot choose the > programming language, so please don''t offend me :-) > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Alessandro > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >__________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors'' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Alessandro Cauduro wrote:> I’ve have a very tight schedule project that MUST (not my option), be > developed in PHP. Is there a Rails based framework for this platform? > > I like the Rails way of things, but in this case, I cannot choose the > programming language, so please don’t offend me JNo offense from me. I get where you are at. Although I can usually choose my language of choice I have lots of PHP apps from the olden days which need to be maintained. It is funny how popular Rails has actually become that there are already so many clones of it in PHP. Just to summarize: http://biscuitproject.tigris.org/ http://cakephp.org/ http://www.symfony-project.com/ http://phpontrax.com/ The framework maintainer do not only try to implement their framworks as closely as possible to Rails, but they also copy the way that Rails is marketed. Lots of good documentation, community building, source code control (trac), blogs, a freenode channel, attractive and appealing websites, good looking logos, tutorials and what not. I think that is really good to see and I can remember DHH talking about his plans to do just that almost 6 months before Rails-0.5 was released. This looks almost like a little revolution to me. Also, the maintainers would rather be hacking Ruby, but cannot always do that. From http://biscuitproject.tigris.org/: "Won''t this take away from Rails? This is not the desire of this project, and we hope that doesn''t happen. We just need something similar that works on PHP. Most of us actually love Rails, which is why we have spent many hours on this project." I bet a google search will even show up more clones. Sascha
On 22-okt-2005, at 0:11, peter michaux wrote:> I think symphony might be what you are after. They > advertise as the rails of php > > http://www.symfony-project.com/ > > -PeterThis one is nice - they don''t copy Rails blindly but build on the foundation provided by other PHP tools. The only thing I don''t like in their implementation is Propel. I hate both Propel and Phing - they highlight the deficiencies of PHP in the best way. Actually when I was starting with Rails I sort of "ported" the controller part of ActionPack to PHP to see how it works. Was a nice experience (as a byproduct I got a script which allows you to "mount" object methods under a URL). But Rails is, givess, and does much much more than all "Rails wannabees" provide. -- Julian "Julik" Tarkhanov
On 22-okt-2005, at 2:57, Sascha Ebach wrote:> Alessandro Cauduro wrote: > >> I’ve have a very tight schedule project that MUST (not my option), >> be developed in PHP. Is there a Rails based framework for this >> platform? >> I like the Rails way of things, but in this case, I cannot choose >> the programming language, so please don’t offend me J >> > > No offense from me. I get where you are at. Although I can usually > choose my language of choice I have lots of PHP apps from the olden > days which need to be maintained. > > It is funny how popular Rails has actually become that there are > already so many clones of it in PHP. Just to summarize:This is not allowed to say but having used Rails I actually expect something that will merge the approach of Seaside/Borges/Wee with Rails components. I actually expect "more" on day:-) -- Julian "Julik" Tarkhanov
On 23 Oct 2005, at 14:14, Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov wrote:> Actually when I was starting with Rails I sort of "ported" the > controller part of ActionPack to PHP to see how it works. Was a > nice experience (as a byproduct I got a script which allows you to > "mount" object methods under a URL). But Rails is, givess, and does > much much more than all "Rails wannabees" provide.Heh. I did the same thing. Unconvinced by Catalyst at the time (I am still, tbqh, but it''s a lot further on) but unsure I wanted to jump from perl, I wrote a small system to explore all this, using (ugh) CDBI and a few other CPAN modules. I actually built a pretty neat system that does, ooh, about 10% of what Rails gives me, and then realised, yes, I can use this for my apps. Then in the future, I can be the only person who understands it and can maintain it! Then I switched to Rails. Hands up who else started off by trying to implement Rails concepts in their system of choice? :) Mike
Has anybody actually used any of these Rails-like frameworks within a real project? I would like to hear your experience with it. I have looked over all the PHP frameworks that where listed, but was left with the impression that I''ll be loosing out a lot in comparison to the real thing! I guess I have high expectations nowadays :-) Alessandro -----Original Message----- From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Michael Houghton Sent: domingo, 23 de outubro de 2005 14:12 To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails] PHPonRails ? On 23 Oct 2005, at 14:14, Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov wrote:> Actually when I was starting with Rails I sort of "ported" the > controller part of ActionPack to PHP to see how it works. Was a > nice experience (as a byproduct I got a script which allows you to > "mount" object methods under a URL). But Rails is, givess, and does > much much more than all "Rails wannabees" provide.Heh. I did the same thing. Unconvinced by Catalyst at the time (I am still, tbqh, but it''s a lot further on) but unsure I wanted to jump from perl, I wrote a small system to explore all this, using (ugh) CDBI and a few other CPAN modules. I actually built a pretty neat system that does, ooh, about 10% of what Rails gives me, and then realised, yes, I can use this for my apps. Then in the future, I can be the only person who understands it and can maintain it! Then I switched to Rails. Hands up who else started off by trying to implement Rails concepts in their system of choice? :) Mike _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005
On 10/23/05, alessandro cauduro <news@w3haus.com.br> wrote:> Has anybody actually used any of these Rails-like frameworks within a real > project? I would like to hear your experience with it. I have looked over > all the PHP frameworks that where listed, but was left with the impression > that I'll be loosing out a lot in comparison to the real thing! I guess I > have high expectations nowadays :-)I've used other PHP MVC frameworks such as Mojavi, Agavi, and Binarycloud. IMHO Rails is more robust, easier to learn/use, and all around more fun than any of those. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer MySQL Core Certification http://destiney.com/ _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On 23-okt-2005, at 22:49, alessandro cauduro wrote:> Has anybody actually used any of these Rails-like frameworks within > a real > project? I would like to hear your experience with it. I have > looked over > all the PHP frameworks that where listed, but was left with the > impression > that I''ll be loosing out a lot in comparison to the real thing! I > guess I > have high expectations nowadays :-)I tried Cake and left disgusted. I now have a problem with PHP _in general_. And you are, indeed, loosing alot (the main problem of these frameworks being - they are many, and Rails is one). -- Julian "Julik" Tarkhanov
http://www.phpontrax.com/ looks to be the equivalent to RoR. On 10/21/05, Alessandro Cauduro <news-/kv94B6L94ZwFqzsTH5u/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > I''ve have a very tight schedule project that MUST (not my option), be > developed in PHP. Is there a Rails based framework for this platform? > > I like the Rails way of things, but in this case, I cannot choose the > programming language, so please don''t offend me J > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Alessandro > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
"HAS THE FUN GONE OUT OF PHP?" http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305966 patrickk.> > > > > I''ve have a very tight schedule project that MUST (not my option), be > > developed in PHP. Is there a Rails based framework for this platform? > > > > I like the Rails way of things, but in this case, I cannot choose the > > programming language, so please don''t offend me J > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Alessandro > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
patrick kranzlmüller wrote:> "HAS THE FUN GONE OUT OF PHP?"Was it ever fun to begin with? /PHP''er whom has seen the Ruby-colored light -- Alan Garrison Cronosys, LLC <http://www.cronosys.com> Phone: 216-221-4600 ext 308
Alan Garrison wrote:> > Was it ever fun to begin with?Yes. It was, six years ago. There''s a good reason for its popularity. --Steve
Stephen Waits wrote:>Alan Garrison wrote: > > >>Was it ever fun to begin with? >> >> > >Yes. It was, six years ago. > >There''s a good reason for its popularity. > >--Steve > >I''ve generally saw PHP''s popularity as a result of it being designed to run under a web server, and hence fairly easily installed for ISP''s and the like (plus it being a bit lesser of a beast to learn than Perl, and it being somewhat extensible regarding database access, etc). I''ve never seen PHP as being "fun", but that''s just my opinion. (Insert "magic quotes" diatribe here ;) -- Alan Garrison Cronosys, LLC <http://www.cronosys.com> Phone: 216-221-4600 ext 308
I liked PHP once. -PJ http://pjhyett.com On 10/24/05, Alan Garrison <alang-+Dj+6f/KO4tWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> patrick kranzlmüller wrote: > > > "HAS THE FUN GONE OUT OF PHP?" > > > Was it ever fun to begin with? > > /PHP''er whom has seen the Ruby-colored light > > > -- > Alan Garrison > Cronosys, LLC <http://www.cronosys.com> > Phone: 216-221-4600 ext 308 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
When will people get it that what makes Rails great isnt Rails or Ruby its the combination of the two i.e a fantastic framework written in a fantastic language you can show me 100 PHP clones of Rails but when I write applications for it I still wont be able to use things like blocks, closurers or duck typing. Ruby on Rails Is greater then the some of its part because the two technologies are so well suited for web development. That is all. -- -R On 10/25/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I liked PHP once. > > -PJ > http://pjhyett.com > > On 10/24/05, Alan Garrison <alang-+Dj+6f/KO4tWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > patrick kranzlmüller wrote: > > > > > "HAS THE FUN GONE OUT OF PHP?" > > > > > > Was it ever fun to begin with? > > > > /PHP''er whom has seen the Ruby-colored light > > > > > > -- > > Alan Garrison > > Cronosys, LLC <http://www.cronosys.com> > > Phone: 216-221-4600 ext 308 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- -R _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I don''t think anyone''s contesting that. Sometimes Rails just doesn''t fit, though. With that in mind, there are many, many aspects that can be abstracted from the framework that are immensely useful. I''m working on a PHP project right now which had open source frameworks written off right at the start, and I''ve eventually ended up implementing the cool bits of AR and AC in PHP. Yes, it''s not Ruby, it''s not Rails, but it fits the spec and makes my life easier. -- Alex Richard Friend wrote:> When will people get it that what makes Rails great isnt Rails or Ruby > > its the combination of the two i.e a fantastic framework written in a > fantastic language > > you can show me 100 PHP clones of Rails but when I write applications for it > I still wont be able to use things like blocks, closurers or duck typing. > > Ruby on Rails Is greater then the some of its part because the two > technologies are so well suited for web development. > > That is all. > > -- > -R > > On 10/25/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >>I liked PHP once. >> >>-PJ >>http://pjhyett.com >> >>On 10/24/05, Alan Garrison <alang-+Dj+6f/KO4tWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >>>patrick kranzlmüller wrote: >>> >>> >>>>"HAS THE FUN GONE OUT OF PHP?" >>> >>> >>>Was it ever fun to begin with? >>> >>>/PHP''er whom has seen the Ruby-colored light >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Alan Garrison >>>Cronosys, LLC <http://www.cronosys.com> >>>Phone: 216-221-4600 ext 308 >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rails mailing list >>>Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >>>http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rails mailing list >>Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >>http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > > > > > -- > -R > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On 25-okt-2005, at 13:58, Richard Friend wrote:> or duck typing.Well, technically you can use duck typing with PHP. It''s just stinking ugly. if(in_array(get_class_methods(get_class($object)), ''someMethod)) { $object->someMethod(); } or something like that. Certainly not object.some_method if object.respond_to?(:some_method) -- Julian "Julik" Tarkhanov
Dear All, I have a Debian 3.1 (Sarge) box. I installed apache2.0.x, compile the scgi-mod 1.8 from source and gem scgi-ruby-0.4.3.gem. I also installed Spamassassin in this box. After I scgi_ctrl start, spamd will crash. If I start spamd, scgi will not work. Do you have some idea about this conflict? Ben Luo
A port conflict maybe? -- Aníbal Rojas anibalrojas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org On 10/30/05, Ben Luo <luoxiangxin-CZK690njTpI@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Dear All, > > I have a Debian 3.1 (Sarge) box. I installed apache2.0.x, compile the > scgi-mod 1.8 from source and gem scgi-ruby-0.4.3.gem. I also installed > Spamassassin in this box. After I scgi_ctrl start, spamd will crash. If > I start spamd, scgi will not work. > > Do you have some idea about this conflict? > > Ben Luo > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
I checked, spamd and scgi use different default Port. I use both default port. anibalrojas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:> A port conflict maybe? > > -- > Aníbal Rojas > anibalrojas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > > On 10/30/05, Ben Luo <luoxiangxin-CZK690njTpI@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> I have a Debian 3.1 (Sarge) box. I installed apache2.0.x, compile the >> scgi-mod 1.8 from source and gem scgi-ruby-0.4.3.gem. I also installed >> Spamassassin in this box. After I scgi_ctrl start, spamd will crash. If >> I start spamd, scgi will not work. >> >> Do you have some idea about this conflict? >> >> Ben Luo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >