I''m new to Rails and doing the Agile book as we speak, but in general what sort of environment does everyone work on? (oh, and I''m on a Windows PC) So far I''ve noticed freeRIDE, Radrails, Eclipse with the Ruby extension, Arachno, or just lately even codehints in DW8 which I have used in the past as a web designer/CSS developer. I''m looking for something to help me learn and see Rails in a more Gestalt way, as right now I''m bogged down with all the different things I''m being introduced to (some of which I have no idea what it is - I''m not worried i know this comes with time). Some tips on process and opinions on development environment are much appreciated. For starters I know my stuff is going to be simple dynamic types of websites to get my feet wet. thanks in advance. Jason http://www.pfosphene.com
I''m using the eclipse plugin. It''s ok, but certainly nothing like IntelliJ IDEA or Eclipse for Java... very limited in comparison (limited auto complete support, no code insight, no cool navigation shortcuts to navigate to a type, module, variable, etc). I''ve tried arachno, it''s feature set is almost identical to the eclipse plugin (syntax highlighting, debugging). I like the eclipse editor better though. I believe the radrails for eclipse is built on top of the eclipse plugin, but I haven''t tried it yet. I''d recommend eclipse as it''s most likely to take off in the long term. phil -----Original Message----- From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JASON PFEIFER Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:58 PM To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: [Rails] Development Environment I''m new to Rails and doing the Agile book as we speak, but in general what sort of environment does everyone work on? (oh, and I''m on a Windows PC) So far I''ve noticed freeRIDE, Radrails, Eclipse with the Ruby extension, Arachno, or just lately even codehints in DW8 which I have used in the past as a web designer/CSS developer. I''m looking for something to help me learn and see Rails in a more Gestalt way, as right now I''m bogged down with all the different things I''m being introduced to (some of which I have no idea what it is - I''m not worried i know this comes with time). Some tips on process and opinions on development environment are much appreciated. For starters I know my stuff is going to be simple dynamic types of websites to get my feet wet. thanks in advance. Jason http://www.pfosphene.com _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I using both the radrails and the ruby rdt for eclipse. Both are early in their product life and immature. With both running, it is easy to switch perspectives and take advantages of somefutures that are not brought forward in the other. I believe that radrails will be the best windows environment (IDE) if the guys running the project can stay on track and keep it up. They probably need a couple of Java skilled folks to dive in and help. Ken On 10/18/05, Phil Swenson <phil-XITSOACK58NFw/DY4jzso32qnSAIaJbt@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m using the eclipse plugin. It''s ok, but certainly nothing like IntelliJ > IDEA or Eclipse for Java... very limited in comparison (limited auto > complete support, no code insight, no cool navigation shortcuts to > navigate > to a type, module, variable, etc). > > I''ve tried arachno, it''s feature set is almost identical to the eclipse > plugin (syntax highlighting, debugging). I like the eclipse editor better > though. > > I believe the radrails for eclipse is built on top of the eclipse plugin, > but I haven''t tried it yet. > > I''d recommend eclipse as it''s most likely to take off in the long term. > > phil > -----Original Message----- > From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > [mailto:rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JASON PFEIFER > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:58 PM > To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > Subject: [Rails] Development Environment > > I''m new to Rails and doing the Agile book as we speak, but in general what > sort of environment does everyone work on? (oh, and I''m on a Windows PC) > > So far I''ve noticed freeRIDE, Radrails, Eclipse with the Ruby extension, > Arachno, or just lately even codehints in DW8 which I have used in the > past > as a web designer/CSS developer. > > I''m looking for something to help me learn and see Rails in a more Gestalt > way, as right now I''m bogged down with all the different things I''m being > introduced to (some of which I have no idea what it is - I''m not worried i > know this comes with time). > > Some tips on process and opinions on development environment are much > appreciated. For starters I know my stuff is going to be simple dynamic > types of websites to get my feet wet. > > thanks in advance. > > Jason > http://www.pfosphene.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Jason: Until RadRails gets where it needs to be you could use my approach: http://www.napcs.com/howto/railsonwindows.html I''m using this on an everyday basis and haven''t really noticed too many issues. My students seem to like it as well. As far as process goes, well, that''s a difficult question. Since you''re just starting out, there''s just going to be a lot to learn. But if you''ve got XHTML, CSS, and JS experience, then there''s less to learn than you''d think, especially if you''d done MVC applications before. At that point, it''s just syntax, so you can follow the normal development process you''d use in any other platform or framework. I guess I would start by learning how to write tests. I''m an advocate of test-first development. We try to strive for that here, but our baseline is 80% coverage (test to code ratio) My only bit of real advice if you''re just getting started would be to stay far away from Apache or Lighttpd until you have a completely developed application and you understand everything you think you need to know about Rails. Then take the next step and learn how it works on an Apache/SCGI configuration or Lighttpd/SCGI. Let me know if I can help any further. -----Original Message----- From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ken Barker Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 7:17 AM To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails] Development Environment I using both the radrails and the ruby rdt for eclipse. Both are early in their product life and immature. With both running, it is easy to switch perspectives and take advantages of somefutures that are not brought forward in the other. I believe that radrails will be the best windows environment (IDE) if the guys running the project can stay on track and keep it up. They probably need a couple of Java skilled folks to dive in and help. Ken On 10/18/05, Phil Swenson <phil-XITSOACK58NFw/DY4jzso32qnSAIaJbt@public.gmane.org> wrote: I''m using the eclipse plugin. It''s ok, but certainly nothing like IntelliJ IDEA or Eclipse for Java... very limited in comparison (limited auto complete support, no code insight, no cool navigation shortcuts to navigate to a type, module, variable, etc). I''ve tried arachno, it''s feature set is almost identical to the eclipse plugin (syntax highlighting, debugging). I like the eclipse editor better though. I believe the radrails for eclipse is built on top of the eclipse plugin, but I haven''t tried it yet. I''d recommend eclipse as it''s most likely to take off in the long term. phil -----Original Message----- From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JASON PFEIFER Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:58 PM To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: [Rails] Development Environment I''m new to Rails and doing the Agile book as we speak, but in general what sort of environment does everyone work on? (oh, and I''m on a Windows PC) So far I''ve noticed freeRIDE, Radrails, Eclipse with the Ruby extension, Arachno, or just lately even codehints in DW8 which I have used in the past as a web designer/CSS developer. I''m looking for something to help me learn and see Rails in a more Gestalt way, as right now I''m bogged down with all the different things I''m being introduced to (some of which I have no idea what it is - I''m not worried i know this comes with time). Some tips on process and opinions on development environment are much appreciated. For starters I know my stuff is going to be simple dynamic types of websites to get my feet wet. thanks in advance. Jason http://www.pfosphene.com _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Hogan, Brian P. wrote: <snip>> My only bit of real advice if you''re just getting started would be to > stay far away from Apache or Lighttpd until you have a completely > developed application and you understand everything you think you need > to know about Rails. Then take the next step and learn how it works on > an Apache/SCGI configuration or Lighttpd/SCGI.<snip> +1 I wasted hours on this when I started out - at the end of the day my production app is hosted with Grokthis, so they''re the ones that need to worry about getting the Rails production environment working smoothly. -- Robert Jones