http://www.activestate.com Looks like ActiveState has shipped the Linux/Windows Alpha version of Komodo featuring Ruby support. (The Mac OS X version beta 2 already is out). I wonder if they will add any RoR specific things as they progress to the release? _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Dave Langston
2005-Oct-13 19:41 UTC
Re: [ANN] ActiveState: Komodo Alpha Relase for Win/Linux
I have been anxiously awaiting the Komodo support for Ruby and ROR and have to say that I am encouraged by the alpha release, but disappointed that it is still so far from useable (IMHO). Hopefully by the final release they will deal with the shortfalls. I am an old hand at Komodo (have used it in the past for Perl, Python and PHP development) so I want to see it work for my newly adopted environment (Ruby and ROR). I recently puchased the Arachno Ruby IDE and developed a procedure to utilize it for ROR development and debug (http://www.ruby-ide.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47) and will have to continue using it as it is far more capable at this time. A brief comparison of the 2 (admittedly this is between a beta release -0.6.1- of Arachno Ruby IDE and the first alpha release of Komodo 3.5) syntax completion: K - no; AR - no syntax highlighting: K - .rb only; AR - .rb and .rhtml syntax error checking: K - .rb only; AR - .rb and .rhtml breakpoints: K - .rb only; AR - .rb and .rhtml (although latter takes some special handling) available interactive console: K - no; AR - no variable inspection: K - yes; AR - yes watch variables: K - yes AR - no httpd server*: K - webrick; AR - apache 2 (this allows some creativity, see below) debug speed**: K - INTOLERABLY SLOW; AR - slow but useable * - because AR uses apache, this has allowed me to include running existing php cgi scripts in the development environment that I have and do not plan (at least near term) to replace with ROR... because of apache, I can develop in a more ''robust'' server environement (cannot debug PHP as well but at least it runs so the app is complete in dev and testing) ** - AR debug is slow, but most moderately complex actions complete in under 10-15 seconds. Komodo is intolerably slow at this time... it takes nearly 1 minute for the webrick server to simply load and only then can you hit it with a request from a browser. The same moderately complex action that takes a bit over 10 seconds in AR to render takes multiple MINUTES in Komodo and webrick to render (I stopped timing after 3 minutes and came back later after it had finally rendered). This same action renders and the web browser returns in under 2 seconds in webrick running as a standalone server. All above done on a Dell laptop with a pentium 3.0Ghz processor and 1 GB of memory running Windows XP. as stated above... encouraged but waiting to see if they can make it really useable (ESPECIALLY debug times and rhtml support). rgds, Dave Langston _______________________________________________________________________________________ CLung wrote:> http://www.activestate.com > > Looks like ActiveState has shipped the Linux/Windows Alpha version of > Komodo featuring Ruby support. (The Mac OS X version beta 2 already > is out). > > I wonder if they will add any RoR specific things as they progress to > the release? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Rails mailing list >Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > >
Adrian Madrid
2005-Oct-13 20:26 UTC
Re: [ANN] ActiveState: Komodo Alpha Relase for Win/Linux
I am not using ArachnoRuby so cannot vouch for the comparison but I have to agree with your points on Komodo. It looks promsing but no .rhtml syntax highlighting is frustrating and a showstopper for me. syntax completion would be great and an interactive console is very close to a must. Let''s hope this things get taken care before final because the integrated project management and subversion are nice features for me since I''m using Vim 7 right now. AEM Dave Langston wrote:> I have been anxiously awaiting the Komodo support for Ruby and ROR and > have to say that I am encouraged by the alpha release, but > disappointed that it is still so far from useable (IMHO). Hopefully > by the final release they will deal with the shortfalls. I am an old > hand at Komodo (have used it in the past for Perl, Python and PHP > development) so I want to see it work for my newly adopted environment > (Ruby and ROR). I recently puchased the Arachno Ruby IDE and > developed a procedure to utilize it for ROR development and debug > (http://www.ruby-ide.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47) > and will have to continue using it as it is far more capable at this > time. A brief comparison of the 2 (admittedly this is between a beta > release -0.6.1- of Arachno Ruby IDE and the first alpha release of > Komodo 3.5) > > syntax completion: K - no; AR - no > syntax highlighting: K - .rb only; AR - .rb and .rhtml > syntax error checking: K - .rb only; AR - .rb and .rhtml > breakpoints: K - .rb only; AR - .rb and > .rhtml (although latter takes some special handling) > available interactive console: K - no; AR - no > variable inspection: K - yes; AR - yes > watch variables: K - yes AR - no > httpd server*: K - webrick; AR - > apache 2 (this allows some creativity, see below) > debug speed**: K - INTOLERABLY SLOW; AR - slow but useable > > * - because AR uses apache, this has allowed me to include running > existing php cgi scripts in the development environment that I have > and do not plan (at least near term) to replace with ROR... because of > apache, I can develop in a more ''robust'' server environement (cannot > debug PHP as well but at least it runs so the app is complete in dev > and testing) > > ** - AR debug is slow, but most moderately complex actions complete in > under 10-15 seconds. Komodo is intolerably slow at this time... it > takes nearly 1 minute for the webrick server to simply load and only > then can you hit it with a request from a browser. The same > moderately complex action that takes a bit over 10 seconds in AR to > render takes multiple MINUTES in Komodo and webrick to render (I > stopped timing after 3 minutes and came back later after it had > finally rendered). This same action renders and the web browser > returns in under 2 seconds in webrick running as a standalone server. > > All above done on a Dell laptop with a pentium 3.0Ghz processor and 1 > GB of memory running Windows XP. > > as stated above... encouraged but waiting to see if they can make it > really useable (ESPECIALLY debug times and > rhtml support). > > rgds, > Dave Langston > _______________________________________________________________________________________ > > CLung wrote: > >> http://www.activestate.com >> >> Looks like ActiveState has shipped the Linux/Windows Alpha version of >> Komodo featuring Ruby support. (The Mac OS X version beta 2 already >> is out). >> >> I wonder if they will add any RoR specific things as they progress to >> the release? >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Adrian Madrid HyperX Inc. Mobile: 801.815.1870 Office: 801.566.0670 aemadrid-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org www.hyperxmedia.com 9000 S. 45 W. Sandy, UT 84070 _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Stephen Waits
2005-Oct-13 20:35 UTC
Re: [ANN] ActiveState: Komodo Alpha Relase for Win/Linux
Dave Langston wrote:> A brief comparison of the 2 (admittedly this is between a beta > release -0.6.1- of Arachno Ruby IDE and the first alpha release of > Komodo 3.5)Yah.. I find your comparison more than just a little premature. Give the product a chance and don''t try to kill it before it''s even finished! Ugh.. --Steve
I''m using & watching both products, and there are features in each that I like ... Lothar is still very deep in the works of Arachno, I''ve paid my dollars because I believe that he is going to make it work and work well... Provide feedback on Arachno, that''s the best way to make sure it is the best product it can be ... j. On 10/13/05, Stephen Waits <steve-g8GSkY9QmIteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Dave Langston wrote: > > A brief comparison of the 2 (admittedly this is between a beta > > release -0.6.1- of Arachno Ruby IDE and the first alpha release of > > Komodo 3.5) > > Yah.. I find your comparison more than just a little premature. Give > the product a chance and don''t try to kill it before it''s even finished! > > Ugh.. > > --Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- "http://ruby-lang.org -- do you ruby?" Jeff Wood _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails