So I was excited when I heard they had a beta of Komodo so I quickly downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great potential, but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts: * Too slow (I have a G5 dual 1.8, so I hate to see how it runs on a Powerbook) * Debugger works as advertised * No code completion for Ruby * Ruby is a second-class citizen (you must manually configure it) * No interactive shell for Ruby like there is for the other supporte languages * Good SVN support * Good project management support scott. -- Scott F. Walter Scott F. Walter Principal Consultant Vivare, Inc. E: scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org E: scott-APWf0AbNa2kIjDr1QQGPvw@public.gmane.org Visit scottwalter.com <http://scottwalter.com> --Point. Click. Explore!
I''m helping to test out the beta as well. Yes Ruby is a second-class citizen right now, but there are promising full support (code completion and setup just like the other langs) for the final release. I''m running it on a PB g4 1 ghz, it''s a tad slow starting up, haven''t put it through it''s paces yet so I don''t know about regular running. -warner On 10/10/05, Scott F. Walter <scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > So I was excited when I heard they had a beta of Komodo so I quickly > downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great potential, > but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts: > > * Too slow (I have a G5 dual 1.8, so I hate to see how it runs on a > Powerbook) > * Debugger works as advertised > * No code completion for Ruby > * Ruby is a second-class citizen (you must manually configure it) > * No interactive shell for Ruby like there is for the other supporte > languages > * Good SVN support > * Good project management support > > scott. > -- > > Scott F. Walter Scott F. Walter > Principal Consultant > Vivare, Inc. > > E: scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org > E: scott-APWf0AbNa2kIjDr1QQGPvw@public.gmane.org > Visit scottwalter.com <http://scottwalter.com> <http://scottwalter.com> > --Point. Click. Explore! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Hi, Scott and Warner, and thanks for reporting your thoughts to the list. We are working on code completion currently, although it won''t be complete. We do static analysis of code, so if a name is bound to a value returned from a function, for example, we won''t offer much in the way of code-completion on it, at first. But if you''re the sort of person who programs with a separate instance of irb running and types things like <<''"".methods.sort>>, the feature should work for you. I agree that it''s slow. I work with Komodo on Windows, Linux, and the Mac, and the Mac is the slowest. We''re working on it -- it might entail patching Mozilla, but we''ve done that before. The interactive shell will happen as well. It''ll be easy to run irb within the Komodo shell. The more challenging aspect will be integrating it with the debugger. In that scenario, when you''re stopped at a breakpoint you can bring up the i-shell, and have full access to your session. You can even change variables, add new classes, etc., and then when you continue your session its state has changed accordingly. I built the Perl version of this feature; Ruby will happen. Finally, can you tell me what you mean by configuring Ruby? Komodo will use whichever instance of Ruby is first on the path, and you can optionally use Preferences|Languages|Ruby to specify a different version. Have a good Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians, a good Columbus Day to the south, and a happy Monday to everyone else. -- Eric On 10-Oct-05, at 9:14 AM, Warner Onstine wrote:> I''m helping to test out the beta as well. Yes Ruby is a second-class > citizen right now, but there are promising full support (code > completion and setup just like the other langs) for the final release. > > I''m running it on a PB g4 1 ghz, it''s a tad slow starting up, haven''t > put it through it''s paces yet so I don''t know about regular running. > > -warner > > On 10/10/05, Scott F. Walter <scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great >> potential, >> but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts: >> >> * Too slow (I have a G5 dual 1.8, so I hate to see how it runs on a >> Powerbook) >> * Debugger works as advertised >> * No code completion for Ruby >> * Ruby is a second-class citizen (you must manually configure it) >> * No interactive shell for Ruby like there is for the other supporte >> languages >> * Good SVN support >> * Good project management support >> >> scott. >> -- >> >> Scott F. Walter Scott F. Walter >> Principal Consultant >> Vivare, Inc. >> >> E: scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org >> E: scott-APWf0AbNa2kIjDr1QQGPvw@public.gmane.org >> Visit scottwalter.com <http://scottwalter.com > >> --Point. Click. Explore! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Hey Eric-
I am using the osx beta as well. After I spent some time getting
my ruby syntax highlighting looking like I want I have to say that I
like Komodo. Its nice to have the debugger and integrated svn, sweet!
One question though, how can I make syntax highlighting work
on .rhtml view code files?
Thanks for your work on this-
-Ezra
On Oct 10, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Eric Promislow wrote:
> Hi, Scott and Warner, and thanks for reporting your thoughts to the
> list.
>
> We are working on code completion currently, although it won''t be
> complete.
> We do static analysis of code, so if a name is bound to a value
> returned from
> a function, for example, we won''t offer much in the way of code-
> completion on it,
> at first. But if you''re the sort of person who programs with a
> separate instance
> of irb running and types things like
<<''"".methods.sort>>, the
> feature should
> work for you.
>
> I agree that it''s slow. I work with Komodo on Windows, Linux, and
> the Mac, and
> the Mac is the slowest. We''re working on it -- it might entail
> patching Mozilla,
> but we''ve done that before.
>
> The interactive shell will happen as well. It''ll be easy to run
> irb within the
> Komodo shell. The more challenging aspect will be integrating it
> with the
> debugger. In that scenario, when you''re stopped at a breakpoint
> you can
> bring up the i-shell, and have full access to your session. You
> can even
> change variables, add new classes, etc., and then when you continue
> your
> session its state has changed accordingly. I built the Perl
> version of this
> feature; Ruby will happen.
>
> Finally, can you tell me what you mean by configuring Ruby? Komodo
> will
> use whichever instance of Ruby is first on the path, and you can
> optionally
> use Preferences|Languages|Ruby to specify a different version.
>
> Have a good Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians, a good Columbus
> Day to
> the south, and a happy Monday to everyone else.
>
> -- Eric
>
> On 10-Oct-05, at 9:14 AM, Warner Onstine wrote:
>
>
>> I''m helping to test out the beta as well. Yes Ruby is a
second-
>> class citizen right now, but there are promising full support
>> (code completion and setup just like the other langs) for the
>> final release.
>>
>> I''m running it on a PB g4 1 ghz, it''s a tad slow
starting up,
>> haven''t put it through it''s paces yet so I
don''t know about
>> regular running.
>>
>> -warner
>>
>> On 10/10/05, Scott F. Walter
<scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great
>>> potential,
>>> but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts:
>>>
>>> * Too slow (I have a G5 dual 1.8, so I hate to see how it runs on
a
>>> Powerbook)
>>> * Debugger works as advertised
>>> * No code completion for Ruby
>>> * Ruby is a second-class citizen (you must manually configure it)
>>> * No interactive shell for Ruby like there is for the other
>>> supporte
>>> languages
>>> * Good SVN support
>>> * Good project management support
>>>
>>> scott.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Scott F. Walter Scott F. Walter
>>> Principal Consultant
>>> Vivare, Inc.
>>>
>>> E: scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
>>> E: scott-APWf0AbNa2kIjDr1QQGPvw@public.gmane.org
>>> Visit scottwalter.com <http://scottwalter.com > --Point.
Click.
>>> Explore!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Rails mailing list
>>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org
>>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>>>
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>> Rails mailing list
>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org
>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>>
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Scott F. Walter <scott.walter@...> writes:> > So I was excited when I heard they had a beta of Komodo so I quickly > downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great potential, > but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts:Am I right in saying there is no windows version with the ruby functionality available yet? - steve
Thanks, Ezra, rhtml support isn''t in there yet. It''s on my list of things to do, but I haven''t been able to convince the rest of the team that we should escalate it. This would be a good time for others to chime in if they''d like to see it. - Eric On 10-Oct-05, at 1:48 PM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote:> Hey Eric- > I am using the osx beta as well. After I spent some time getting > my ruby syntax highlighting looking like I want I have to say that I > like Komodo. Its nice to have the debugger and integrated svn, sweet! > One question though, how can I make syntax highlighting work on .rhtml > view code files? > > Thanks for your work on this- > -Ezra > > On Oct 10, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Eric Promislow wrote: > >> Hi, Scott and Warner, and thanks for reporting your thoughts to the >> list. >> >> We are working on code completion currently, although it won''t be >> complete. >> We do static analysis of code, so if a name is bound to a value >> returned from >> a function, for example, we won''t offer much in the way of >> code-completion on it, >> at first. But if you''re the sort of person who programs with a >> separate instance >> of irb running and types things like <<''"".methods.sort>>, the >> feature should >> work for you. >> >> I agree that it''s slow. I work with Komodo on Windows, Linux, and >> the Mac, and >> the Mac is the slowest. We''re working on it -- it might entail >> patching Mozilla, >> but we''ve done that before. >> >> The interactive shell will happen as well. It''ll be easy to run irb >> within the >> Komodo shell. The more challenging aspect will be integrating it >> with the >> debugger. In that scenario, when you''re stopped at a breakpoint you >> can >> bring up the i-shell, and have full access to your session. You can >> even >> change variables, add new classes, etc., and then when you continue >> your >> session its state has changed accordingly. I built the Perl version >> of this >> feature; Ruby will happen. >> >> Finally, can you tell me what you mean by configuring Ruby? Komodo >> will >> use whichever instance of Ruby is first on the path, and you can >> optionally >> use Preferences|Languages|Ruby to specify a different version. >> >> Have a good Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians, a good Columbus Day >> to >> the south, and a happy Monday to everyone else. >> >> -- Eric >> >> On 10-Oct-05, at 9:14 AM, Warner Onstine wrote: >> >> >>> I''m helping to test out the beta as well. Yes Ruby is a second-class >>> citizen right now, but there are promising full support (code >>> completion and setup just like the other langs) for the final >>> release. >>> >>> I''m running it on a PB g4 1 ghz, it''s a tad slow starting up, >>> haven''t put it through it''s paces yet so I don''t know about regular >>> running. >>> >>> -warner >>> >>> On 10/10/05, Scott F. Walter <scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>> >>>> downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great >>>> potential, >>>> but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts: >>>> >>>> * Too slow (I have a G5 dual 1.8, so I hate to see how it runs on a >>>> Powerbook) >>>> * Debugger works as advertised >>>> * No code completion for Ruby >>>> * Ruby is a second-class citizen (you must manually configure it) >>>> * No interactive shell for Ruby like there is for the other >>>> supporte >>>> languages >>>> * Good SVN support >>>> * Good project management support >>>> >>>> scott. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Scott F. Walter Scott F. Walter >>>> Principal Consultant >>>> Vivare, Inc. >>>> >>>> E: scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org >>>> E: scott-APWf0AbNa2kIjDr1QQGPvw@public.gmane.org >>>> Visit scottwalter.com <http://scottwalter.com > --Point. Click. >>>> Explore! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rails mailing list >>>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >>>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rails mailing list >>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > > -Ezra Zygmuntowicz > Yakima Herald-Republic > WebMaster > http://yakimaherald.com > 509-577-7732 > ezra-gdxLOakOTQ9oetBuM9ipNAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
You''re correct, and we''re working on it. Komodo has been on Windows for five years, Linux for four, so a new release shouldn''t be too far off. But I can''t give a more precise date than that. - Eric On 10-Oct-05, at 3:41 PM, Steve Dp wrote:> Scott F. Walter <scott.walter@...> writes: > >> >> So I was excited when I heard they had a beta of Komodo so I quickly >> downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great >> potential, >> but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts: > > Am I right in saying there is no windows version with the ruby > functionality > available yet? > > - steve > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Hi Eric, I''m using Komodo on PC - haven''t got round to installing the new (and very welcome) Beta on my iBook yet... I would love to have the syntax support for rhtml. The other think I notice is that the preview browser doesn''t appear to support/allow cookies - this would be handy also. Other than those small niggles, I think Komodo is an ideal IDE for working within frameworks such as Rails; and I love being able to switch between Perl, Python, Rails and even the odd Java project. Cheers Mike ----------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Rails] Komodo Thoughts Thanks, Ezra, rhtml support isn''t in there yet. It''s on my list of things to do, but I haven''t been able to convince the rest of the team that we should escalate it. This would be a good time for others to chime in if they''d like to see it. - Eric On 10-Oct-05, at 1:48 PM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote:> Hey Eric- > I am using the osx beta as well. After I spent some time getting > my ruby syntax highlighting looking like I want I have to say that I > like Komodo. Its nice to have the debugger and integrated svn, sweet! > One question though, how can I make syntax highlighting work on .rhtml > view code files? >
Most definitely something I want (a lot!). -warner On 10/10/05, Eric Promislow <ericp-0OmgUqZ5G+O9C01uVemLPA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Thanks, Ezra, > > rhtml support isn''t in there yet. It''s on my list of things to do, but > I haven''t been able to > convince the rest of the team that we should escalate it. This would > be a good time > for others to chime in if they''d like to see it. > > - Eric > > On 10-Oct-05, at 1:48 PM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote: > > > Hey Eric- > > I am using the osx beta as well. After I spent some time getting > > my ruby syntax highlighting looking like I want I have to say that I > > like Komodo. Its nice to have the debugger and integrated svn, sweet! > > One question though, how can I make syntax highlighting work on .rhtml > > view code files? > > > > Thanks for your work on this- > > -Ezra > > > > On Oct 10, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Eric Promislow wrote: > > > >> Hi, Scott and Warner, and thanks for reporting your thoughts to the > >> list. > >> > >> We are working on code completion currently, although it won''t be > >> complete. > >> We do static analysis of code, so if a name is bound to a value > >> returned from > >> a function, for example, we won''t offer much in the way of > >> code-completion on it, > >> at first. But if you''re the sort of person who programs with a > >> separate instance > >> of irb running and types things like <<''"".methods.sort>>, the > >> feature should > >> work for you. > >> > >> I agree that it''s slow. I work with Komodo on Windows, Linux, and > >> the Mac, and > >> the Mac is the slowest. We''re working on it -- it might entail > >> patching Mozilla, > >> but we''ve done that before. > >> > >> The interactive shell will happen as well. It''ll be easy to run irb > >> within the > >> Komodo shell. The more challenging aspect will be integrating it > >> with the > >> debugger. In that scenario, when you''re stopped at a breakpoint you > >> can > >> bring up the i-shell, and have full access to your session. You can > >> even > >> change variables, add new classes, etc., and then when you continue > >> your > >> session its state has changed accordingly. I built the Perl version > >> of this > >> feature; Ruby will happen. > >> > >> Finally, can you tell me what you mean by configuring Ruby? Komodo > >> will > >> use whichever instance of Ruby is first on the path, and you can > >> optionally > >> use Preferences|Languages|Ruby to specify a different version. > >> > >> Have a good Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians, a good Columbus Day > >> to > >> the south, and a happy Monday to everyone else. > >> > >> -- Eric > >> > >> On 10-Oct-05, at 9:14 AM, Warner Onstine wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I''m helping to test out the beta as well. Yes Ruby is a second-class > >>> citizen right now, but there are promising full support (code > >>> completion and setup just like the other langs) for the final > >>> release. > >>> > >>> I''m running it on a PB g4 1 ghz, it''s a tad slow starting up, > >>> haven''t put it through it''s paces yet so I don''t know about regular > >>> running. > >>> > >>> -warner > >>> > >>> On 10/10/05, Scott F. Walter <scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great > >>>> potential, > >>>> but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts: > >>>> > >>>> * Too slow (I have a G5 dual 1.8, so I hate to see how it runs on a > >>>> Powerbook) > >>>> * Debugger works as advertised > >>>> * No code completion for Ruby > >>>> * Ruby is a second-class citizen (you must manually configure it) > >>>> * No interactive shell for Ruby like there is for the other > >>>> supporte > >>>> languages > >>>> * Good SVN support > >>>> * Good project management support > >>>> > >>>> scott. > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Scott F. Walter Scott F. Walter > >>>> Principal Consultant > >>>> Vivare, Inc. > >>>> > >>>> E: scott.walter-uosFFu51klvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org > >>>> E: scott-APWf0AbNa2kIjDr1QQGPvw@public.gmane.org > >>>> Visit scottwalter.com <http://scottwalter.com > --Point. Click. > >>>> Explore! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Rails mailing list > >>>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > >>>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Rails mailing list > >>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rails mailing list > >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > >> > > > > -Ezra Zygmuntowicz > > Yakima Herald-Republic > > WebMaster > > http://yakimaherald.com > > 509-577-7732 > > ezra-gdxLOakOTQ9oetBuM9ipNAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
On Oct 10, 2005, at 5:09 PM, Eric Promislow wrote:> This would be a good time > for others to chime in if they''d like to see it.Of course we want it! We want everything! --Steve
If it has support for rhtml, I''m definately going to be looking at purchasing it. That is something I''ve not found in any other editor right out of the box yet. On 10/10/05, Eric Promislow <ericp-0OmgUqZ5G+O9C01uVemLPA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> You''re correct, and we''re working on it. Komodo has been on > Windows for five years, Linux for four, so a new release shouldn''t > be too far off. But I can''t give a more precise date than that. > > - Eric > > On 10-Oct-05, at 3:41 PM, Steve Dp wrote: > > > Scott F. Walter <scott.walter@...> writes: > > > >> > >> So I was excited when I heard they had a beta of Komodo so I quickly > >> downloaded and decided to give a spin. I feel it has great > >> potential, > >> but to be honest I was disappointed. Here are my thoughts: > > > > Am I right in saying there is no windows version with the ruby > > functionality > > available yet? > > > > - steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Adding to this thread, I found that if you configure Komodo to treat *.rhtml files as HTML files, the syntax coloring isn''t too bad. It doesn''t do any syntax checking, but I figure this will be an easier feature to get in. - Eric Eric Promislow wrote:> Thanks, Ezra, > > rhtml support isn''t in there yet. It''s on my list of things to do, but > I haven''t been able to > convince the rest of the team that we should escalate it. This would be > a good time > for others to chime in if they''d like to see it. > > - Eric >