Rails - Sep 2005 - Sending Emails via Cron

I''m developing an application using RoR that will generate enough email
notifications that I don''t want them in the actual web application. So,
I''m
thinking about having an outgoing queue that a cron job would pick up and 
deliver. My question is if this is possible with a ruby script that uses 
ActiveRecord and ActiveMailer?


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Matt Pantana <matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
writes:
> So, I''m thinking about having an outgoing queue that a cron job
> would pick up and deliver. My question is if this is possible with a
> ruby script that uses ActiveRecord and ActiveMailer?
./script/runner

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Thanks Doug. Just one more question, how does it work?

On 9/14/05, Doug Alcorn <doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
wrote: 
> 
> Matt Pantana <matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
writes:
> 
> > So, I''m thinking about having an outgoing queue that a cron
job
> > would pick up and deliver. My question is if this is possible with a
> > ruby script that uses ActiveRecord and ActiveMailer?
> 
> ./script/runner
> 
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Matt Pantana wrote:
> Thanks Doug. Just one more question, how does it work?
Another question might be "which MTA are you using?"  You may be 
able to use Batched SMTP.  Maybe LMTP (RFC2033) would be of use,
though it seems less so.

         Hugh

Matt Pantana <matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
writes:
> Thanks Doug. Just one more question, how does it work?
>
> On 9/14/05, Doug Alcorn
<doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Matt Pantana
<matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>> 
>> > So, I''m thinking about having an outgoing queue that a
cron job
>> > would pick up and deliver. My question is if this is possible with
a
>> > ruby script that uses ActiveRecord and ActiveMailer?
>> 
>> ./script/runner
I don''t mean to be a jerk, but this stuff is pretty easy to find out
with a little research.  I mentioned the script/runner to point you in
the right direction.  A very simple search on the wiki for
''script/runner'' turns up four pages; one of which is "How
to Run
Background Jobs in Rails".  That page has good documentation on it.

I''m not just picking on Matt, here.  I''d have thought a
progressive
bunch of Rails coders would understand the value of our wiki.  A lot
of people spend a lot of time documenting how they use Rails and how
it works.  The wiki isn''t API docs.  It''s real world, rubber
meets the
road, getting it done docs.

It''s true, I wish the search was a little better.  That''s why
I gave
you the right search term to use.  I think there''s been talk of doing
search differently.  I hope we can get to a simple "AND all these
words together" search and then have an advanced search page as well.

On a related note, creating new pages is easy if not obviously
documented.  Start by editing some page that you think should refer to
your new page.  At the very bottom of the edit page is this
documentation:

,----[ WikiWords ]
| Two or more uppercase words stuck together (camel case) or any
| phrase surrounded by doubble brackets is a wiki word. A camel-case
| wiki word can be escaped by putting \ in front of it.
| 
| Wiki words: HomePage, ThreeWordsTogether, [[C++]], [[Let''s play
again!]]
| Not wiki words: IBM, School
`----

So, just create a wiki word for your new page.  When you save the page
you''re editing there will be a link to the not-yet-created page.
Click on that link and create away!
-- 
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2005/9/15, Matt Pantana
<matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:
> Thanks Doug.  Just one more question, how does it work?
Check this out:
http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/show/Environments#script

regards,
oliver

I somewhat agree, in that, by time you had replied, I had already found the 
answer. Which of course led to more questions. The real question becomes, at 
what point is it acceptable to submit a question to the community via email 
list vs. figuring it out yourself. I have no doubt that given enough time, I 
could figure out almost every question I have regarding rails and/or ruby 
through search/trial/error/search/trial/error/etc. I feel that way with just 
about any language. But what is the purpose of the list if I can''t
expedite
the answer to my question by getting a more specific answer from an 
individual. And I''m not trying to be a jerk either, but if it bothers
you to
answer the question...don''t answer it. I''m not trying to
dispute that the
value of the info in the Wikis, simply that by apperances, this list is for 
exactly the type of question I submitted. If it is not, my apologies, and 
maybe it should be articulated what this list *is* for.

 On 9/15/05, Doug Alcorn <doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
wrote: 
> 
> Matt Pantana <matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
writes:
> 
> > Thanks Doug. Just one more question, how does it work?
> >
> > On 9/14/05, Doug Alcorn
<doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Matt Pantana
<matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >>
> >> > So, I''m thinking about having an outgoing queue that
a cron job
> >> > would pick up and deliver. My question is if this is possible
with a
> >> > ruby script that uses ActiveRecord and ActiveMailer?
> >>
> >> ./script/runner
> 
> I don''t mean to be a jerk, but this stuff is pretty easy to find
out
> with a little research. I mentioned the script/runner to point you in
> the right direction. A very simple search on the wiki for
> ''script/runner'' turns up four pages; one of which is
"How to Run
> Background Jobs in Rails". That page has good documentation on it.
> 
> I''m not just picking on Matt, here. I''d have thought a
progressive
> bunch of Rails coders would understand the value of our wiki. A lot
> of people spend a lot of time documenting how they use Rails and how
> it works. The wiki isn''t API docs. It''s real world,
rubber meets the
> road, getting it done docs.
> 
> It''s true, I wish the search was a little better. That''s
why I gave
> you the right search term to use. I think there''s been talk of
doing
> search differently. I hope we can get to a simple "AND all these
> words together" search and then have an advanced search page as well.
> 
> On a related note, creating new pages is easy if not obviously
> documented. Start by editing some page that you think should refer to
> your new page. At the very bottom of the edit page is this
> documentation:
> 
> ,----[ WikiWords ]
> | Two or more uppercase words stuck together (camel case) or any
> | phrase surrounded by doubble brackets is a wiki word. A camel-case
> | wiki word can be escaped by putting \ in front of it.
> |
> | Wiki words: HomePage, ThreeWordsTogether, [[C++]], [[Let''s play
again!]]
> | Not wiki words: IBM, School
> `----
> 
> So, just create a wiki word for your new page. When you save the page
> you''re editing there will be a link to the not-yet-created page.
> Click on that link and create away!
> --
> Doug Alcorn - http://lathi.net/RubyOnRailsDeveloper
> doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org
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Matt Pantana <matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
writes:
> The real question becomes, at what point is it acceptable to submit
> a question to the community via email list vs. figuring it out
> yourself. I have no doubt that given enough time, I could figure out
> almost every question I have regarding rails and/or ruby through
> search/trial/error/search/trial/error/etc. I feel that way with just
> about any language. But what is the purpose of the list if I can''t
> expedite the answer to my question by getting a more specific answer
> from an individual. And I''m not trying to be a jerk either, but if
> it bothers you to answer the question...don''t answer it.
Yes, I agree the purpose of the list is to expedite finding answers to
your questions.  It''s also to discuss higher level things like
strategies, best practices and such.

I don''t expect everyone to find out everything for themselves.  I do
expect people to spend some time finding the answer for themselves.
Is ten minutes research too much to ask before posting to the mailing
list?  I don''t think so.

In this specific instance, rather than tersely replying to your
original post I should have said, "You should look into using
script/runner.  There''s docs on the wiki".  I replied with my
"Use the
wiki..." post because I felt like you were wanting me to spoon feed
you answers that were already available.

I don''t want people to be afraid of posting "too easy"
questions to
the list or not posting for fear of being flamed.  I''d just like a
little evidence of self-help before you post here.  The mailing list
isn''t an interactive wiki.  The wiki is the wiki.  The mailing list
isn''t Google.  Google is Google.  All three tools are good for solving
problems.
-- 
Doug Alcorn - http://lathi.net/RubyOnRailsDeveloper
doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org

Matt, 
 I think Doug is suggesting you pour through 15 pages of a google search to 
try and answer _all_ you questions yourself; but instead try the doc, the 
wiki, and maybe the first couple of pages of google search to see if you can 
find your answer. If you set this up to run as multi in slickrun(on windows) 
or something similar you can do it in less than sixty seconds.
 If no one ever checked the wiki or docs then theres a) no point in all the 
great articles there that people spent time to create and b) this list which 
will become cluttered to the point of uselessness with the most trivial 
questions like default routes or something. 
 Also, for more immediate responses there is an irc channel, #rubyonrails, 
on irc.freenode.net <http://irc.freenode.net> which is always filled with 
*brillant* people.
 Hope this helps.

 On 9/15/05, Matt Pantana
<matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> I somewhat agree, in that, by time you had replied, I had already found 
> the answer. Which of course led to more questions. The real question 
> becomes, at what point is it acceptable to submit a question to the 
> community via email list vs. figuring it out yourself. I have no doubt that
> given enough time, I could figure out almost every question I have
regarding
> rails and/or ruby through search/trial/error/search/trial/error/etc. I feel
> that way with just about any language. But what is the purpose of the list 
> if I can''t expedite the answer to my question by getting a more
specific
> answer from an individual. And I''m not trying to be a jerk either,
but if it
> bothers you to answer the question...don''t answer it. I''m
not trying to
> dispute that the value of the info in the Wikis, simply that by apperances,
> this list is for exactly the type of question I submitted. If it is not, my
> apologies, and maybe it should be articulated what this list *is* for. 
> 
>  On 9/15/05, Doug Alcorn
<doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Matt Pantana
<matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> > 
> > > Thanks Doug. Just one more question, how does it work? 
> > >
> > > On 9/14/05, Doug Alcorn
<doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Matt Pantana
<matt.pantana-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> > >>
> > >> > So, I''m thinking about having an outgoing queue
that a cron job
> > >> > would pick up and deliver. My question is if this is
possible with
> > a
> > >> > ruby script that uses ActiveRecord and ActiveMailer? 
> > >>
> > >> ./script/runner
> > 
> > I don''t mean to be a jerk, but this stuff is pretty easy to
find out
> > with a little research. I mentioned the script/runner to point you in
> > the right direction. A very simple search on the wiki for 
> > ''script/runner'' turns up four pages; one of which is
"How to Run
> > Background Jobs in Rails". That page has good documentation on
it.
> > 
> > I''m not just picking on Matt, here. I''d have thought
a progressive
> > bunch of Rails coders would understand the value of our wiki. A lot
> > of people spend a lot of time documenting how they use Rails and how
> > it works. The wiki isn''t API docs. It''s real world,
rubber meets the
> > road, getting it done docs.
> > 
> > It''s true, I wish the search was a little better.
That''s why I gave
> > you the right search term to use. I think there''s been talk
of doing
> > search differently. I hope we can get to a simple "AND all these 
> > words together" search and then have an advanced search page as
well.
> > 
> > On a related note, creating new pages is easy if not obviously
> > documented. Start by editing some page that you think should refer to 
> > your new page. At the very bottom of the edit page is this
> > documentation:
> > 
> > ,----[ WikiWords ]
> > | Two or more uppercase words stuck together (camel case) or any
> > | phrase surrounded by doubble brackets is a wiki word. A camel-case 
> > | wiki word can be escaped by putting \ in front of it.
> > |
> > | Wiki words: HomePage, ThreeWordsTogether, [[C++]], [[Let''s
play
> > again!]]
> > | Not wiki words: IBM, School
> > `----
> > 
> > So, just create a wiki word for your new page. When you save the page 
> > you''re editing there will be a link to the not-yet-created
page.
> > Click on that link and create away!
> > --
> > Doug Alcorn - http://lathi.net/RubyOnRailsDeveloper
> > doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 
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On Thursday, September 15, 2005, at 10:10:58 AM, Matt Pantana wrote:
> And I''m not trying to be a jerk either, but if it bothers you to 
> answer the question...don''t answer it. I''m not trying to
dispute that the
> value of the info in the Wikis, simply that by apperances, this list is for
> exactly the type of question I submitted. If it is not, my apologies, and
> maybe it should be articulated what this list *is* for.
I''m with you, Matt. It seems easy to someone who can find their way
in this stuff ... to find their way. Other people aren''t there yet.

The kind of response that I appreciate best includes a short answer,
plus a pointer to more info that I "should" have found, without
getting pissy about it.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
To be on the wire is life. The rest is waiting.  --Karl Wallenda