I just tried to solve this problem on the rails IRC. Gad, what a bad experience. Hey, let''s all talk at once, and make no sense! OK...I just struggled through a rails install on my WinXP box. Not a nice experience. Shouldn''t have been so hard, but then I had little to work with. I''ve written up what I would LIKE to have found at <http://download.rubyonrails.com/>. To whom might I send it for review or whatever they want to do with it? The web site looks like a closed affair. I cannot find any way to join the wiki, nor any way to email anyone (that last problem is nuts. NO website should commit that sin...) So...I''d like to send this to someone, if I can have a clue who that might be. -- t. =====================================================Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC Private practice Psychotherapist Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 << BestMindHealth.com / tc-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org >> ===================================================== Using Opera''s revolutionary e-mail client (program): http://www.opera.com/mail/
On 9/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I just tried to solve this problem on the rails IRC. Gad, what a bad > experience. Hey, let''s all talk at once, and make no sense! > > OK...I just struggled through a rails install on my WinXP box. Not a nice > experience. Shouldn''t have been so hard, but then I had little to work > with.What were the big issues? I''ve installed Ruby and Rails on Win2K and WinXP boxen, and the only time I had an issue was several Rails releases ago, when there seemed to be something screwy with the mailer gem and upgrading would routinely barf. Did you not use the 1-click [sic] Windows intaller of Ruby, and then rubygems to install Rails? James _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I prefer developing Ruby on Windows in Cygwin. Yeah, it's probably slower, but for developing, you get vim and a decent shell (bash/rxvt). For production use that's probably not practical, but then again: who uses Windows in production anyway (for Ruby especially, but also in general)?! Jacob On 9/11/05, James G. Britt <ruby.talk.list@gmail.com> wrote:> > > On 9/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@bestmindhealth.com> wrote: > > I just tried to solve this problem on the rails IRC. Gad, what a bad > > experience. Hey, let's all talk at once, and make no sense! > > > > OK...I just struggled through a rails install on my WinXP box. Not a nice > > experience. Shouldn't have been so hard, but then I had little to work > > with. > > > What were the big issues? I've installed Ruby and Rails on Win2K and WinXP > boxen, and the only time I had an issue was several Rails releases ago, when > there seemed to be something screwy with the mailer gem and upgrading would > routinely barf. > > Did you not use the 1-click [sic] Windows intaller of Ruby, and then > rubygems to install Rails? > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
James, My complaint has nothing to do with Ruby. I didn''t address that at all, because installing Ruby was flawless, and I did it days ago. The problem is that the instructions for installing Rails seems to be address someone who is NOT a Window-centric person. An even bigger issue: I''ve been working in one way or another with computers of all sorts for 30 years - but mostly as an amateur. I have a busy professional life that merely USES computers. My involvement with Ruby and Rails is mostly an extension of that. I come to this world to facilitate my getting work done. What I want is more tools, not some arcane puzzles. IF people want wider adoption of Ruby/Rails, as opposed to its being all but wholly the preserve of non-Win professional or would-be pro, there simply needs to be some accomodation to people like me. Simple, direct instructions are always helpful. Indeed, what brings me to Ruby, from Python, is the simplicity and directness. Then I get to the rails install and hit the wall. So...you ask "what were the big issues"? One: lack of explicitness in instructions. I mistakenly thought I was to issue instructions to Ruby and IT would do the install, through GEM. Once I got it that I was to use the WinXP command processor, everything went fine. I think. Again I ask, to whom might I send what I''ve written? I very much do NOT want to be anything but a problem solver. But the Rails web site give me no options. No contact information. Major bummer. OK - here''s my write up - had I found something like this at the web site, I would have had no problem: --- Installation of Rails on WindowsXP: 1. Download the most current *.zip package for rubygems, at http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=126. 2. Unzip the rubygems package, then move the resulting folder to the root of your ruby installation direction - c:\ruby, if you took the installation default. 3. Launch the WinXP command processor: "C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe". 4. You won''t be at the right place in the directory tree. Enter at the command line: cd c:\ruby # (or whatever your ruby root subdir is, if not this) gem install --remote Rails --include-dependencies 5. You should see in the DOS window: "Attempting remote installation of ''rails''" Following this will be a number of additional lines - slightly over 10. Be patient - it takes some time for the install to finish. The first group of lines report successful installation of rails and dependencies; the second group report RDoc documentation generation. Rails is then accessible via the command line. To get help for its usage, just type "rails" from your ruby root. Problems? CONTACT: xxx@a.com (or whatever) --- Again, PLEASE, is there not someone I can contact about this? Tom C. On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:30:24 -0700, James G. Britt <ruby.talk.list-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On 9/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> I just tried to solve this problem on the rails IRC. Gad, what a bad >> experience. Hey, let''s all talk at once, and make no sense! >> >> OK...I just struggled through a rails install on my WinXP box. Not a >> nice >> experience. Shouldn''t have been so hard, but then I had little to work >> with. > > > > What were the big issues? I''ve installed Ruby and Rails on Win2K and > WinXP > boxen, and the only time I had an issue was several Rails releases ago, > when > there seemed to be something screwy with the mailer gem and upgrading > would > routinely barf. > > Did you not use the 1-click [sic] Windows intaller of Ruby, and then > rubygems to install Rails? > > James-- =====================================================Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC Private practice Psychotherapist Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 << BestMindHealth.com / tc-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org >> ===================================================== Using Opera''s revolutionary e-mail client (program): http://www.opera.com/mail/
Jacob, On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:38:54 -0700, Jacob Quinn Shenker <jqshenker-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I prefer developing Ruby on Windows in Cygwin. Yeah, it''s probably > slower, but for developing, you get vim and a decent shell > (bash/rxvt).James, this is nuts. First I have to "get" ruby. Now I''m plowing through Rails, among other things. Now you want me to simulate a whole other operating system on Windows, learn a new editor and a new shell (I''m familiar with all three, by the way, but not enough to useful to myself). I just don''t have time. Computers are NOT my world. Again I say, it shouldn''t (i.e., I don''t want it to be) this hard. Time is very precious. I KNOW that it doesn''t HAVE to be that difficulty. People who want to play baseball shouldn''t have to build the field first, else most of them will take up some other game. It''s that simple.> For production use that''s probably not practical, but > then again: who uses Windows in production anyway (for Ruby > especially, but also in general)?!Well, in my very real world, there are no real options. What you propose is not practical. Learning Ruby, etc., eats up all the time I have. Sorry, but but that''s the truth. I HAVE to be able to do this in Win32 else I''m outta here. I don''t think I''m alone in this reality. Tom C.> Jacob > > On 9/11/05, James G. Britt <ruby.talk.list-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> >> On 9/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> > I just tried to solve this problem on the rails IRC. Gad, what a bad >> > experience. Hey, let''s all talk at once, and make no sense! >> > >> > OK...I just struggled through a rails install on my WinXP box. Not a >> nice >> > experience. Shouldn''t have been so hard, but then I had little to work >> > with. >> >> >> What were the big issues? I''ve installed Ruby and Rails on Win2K and >> WinXP >> boxen, and the only time I had an issue was several Rails releases ago, >> when >> there seemed to be something screwy with the mailer gem and upgrading >> would >> routinely barf. >> >> Did you not use the 1-click [sic] Windows intaller of Ruby, and then >> rubygems to install Rails? >> >> James >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> >> >>-- =====================================================Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC Private practice Psychotherapist Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 << BestMindHealth.com / tc-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org >> ===================================================== Using Opera''s revolutionary e-mail client (program): http://www.opera.com/mail/
Tom -- have you looked at Hibb''s tutorial for Rails? It''s 100% XP and it''s how I got my start on Rails: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/01/20/rails.html Some of the Rails-centric code is outdated, but it should get you moving in the right direction once you get everything installed. Ben
Tom, check out the "Rolling with Ruby on Rails" (http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/01/20/rails.html) article from onlamp to get you going (This is linked off http://documentation.rubyonrails.com/ under Tutorials) There are a few people on the list who seem to have production sites on win32 and I personally develop on win32. So it is not uncommon. The wiki does not need to be ''joined'' - just edit and save your changes. Personally I think the http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/show/HowtoInstallOnWindows link might be a bit more production-oriented than the onlamp article. The people on this list want to help you - make it easy for them. HTH, Dan
(sorry, didn't post this to the list)
Tom,
I wasn't suggesting that you needed Cygwin. I simply found I liked it
better and other people on this ml might want to investigate that
path. For your situation, I'd propose a RailsOneClick installer, that
would much like the RubyOnClick installer, just get you up 'n running
asap.
-It would launch the RubyOnClick installer if for some reason you
didn't install Ruby first.
-It would install RubyGems if that wasn't installed correctly
-It would install Rails+dependencies plus mysql/postgresql bindings
(user chooses which)
-It *optionally* could start the Mysql or Postgresql Installer
-And possibly, even test everything with a demo to make sure everything works
That's a really easy way to make Rails and Windows developers like you
to be happy. Anyone have any experience with creating Windows install
wizards?
Also, Tom, you should put you Howto on the Rails wiki. To create a new
page under Instiki (what wiki.rubyonrails.com uses) just find a page
("HowtosInstallation") that you want to link to your new page
("RailsOnWindows"), add a link to your non-existant page, then after
editing, click on the "?" next to the greyed-out link to your new
page. Edit away!
In any case, hope you have a good experience with Rails from here on
out. It's good for newcomers to give feedback on what works from a
Rails novice's perspective so that developers can try to improve the
not-so-great experience it sounds like you had. Best of luck,
Jacob
On 9/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@bestmindhealth.com>
wrote:> Jacob,
>
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:38:54 -0700, Jacob Quinn Shenker
> <jqshenker@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I prefer developing Ruby on Windows in Cygwin. Yeah, it's probably
> > slower, but for developing, you get vim and a decent shell
> > (bash/rxvt).
>
> James, this is nuts. First I have to "get" ruby. Now I'm
plowing through
> Rails, among other things. Now you want me to simulate a whole other
> operating system on Windows, learn a new editor and a new shell (I'm
> familiar with all three, by the way, but not enough to useful to myself).
>
> I just don't have time. Computers are NOT my world. Again I say, it
> shouldn't (i.e., I don't want it to be) this hard. Time is very
precious.
> I KNOW that it doesn't HAVE to be that difficulty. People who want to
play
> baseball shouldn't have to build the field first, else most of them
will
> take up some other game. It's that simple.
>
> > For production use that's probably not practical, but
> > then again: who uses Windows in production anyway (for Ruby
> > especially, but also in general)?!
>
> Well, in my very real world, there are no real options. What you propose
> is not practical. Learning Ruby, etc., eats up all the time I have. Sorry,
> but but that's the truth. I HAVE to be able to do this in Win32 else
I'm
> outta here. I don't think I'm alone in this reality.
>
> Tom C.
>
> > Jacob
> >
> > On 9/11/05, James G. Britt <ruby.talk.list@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@bestmindhealth.com> wrote:
> >> > I just tried to solve this problem on the rails IRC. Gad,
what a bad
> >> > experience. Hey, let's all talk at once, and make no
sense!
> >> >
> >> > OK...I just struggled through a rails install on my WinXP
box. Not a
> >> nice
> >> > experience. Shouldn't have been so hard, but then I had
little to work
> >> > with.
> >>
> >>
> >> What were the big issues? I've installed Ruby and Rails on
Win2K and
> >> WinXP
> >> boxen, and the only time I had an issue was several Rails releases
ago,
> >> when
> >> there seemed to be something screwy with the mailer gem and
upgrading
> >> would
> >> routinely barf.
> >>
> >> Did you not use the 1-click [sic] Windows intaller of Ruby, and
then
> >> rubygems to install Rails?
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rails mailing list
> >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
>
> =====================================================> Tom Cloyd, MS MA,
LMHC
> Private practice Psychotherapist
> Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226
> << BestMindHealth.com / tc@bestmindhealth.com >>
> =====================================================>
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client (program):
> http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2005-Sep-12 13:32 UTC
Re: Fwd: rails install documentation for WinXP
Jacob Quinn Shenker wrote:>For your situation, I''d propose a RailsOneClick installer, that >would much like the RubyOnClick installer, just get you up ''n running >asap. >-It would launch the RubyOnClick installer if for some reason you >didn''t install Ruby first. >-It would install RubyGems if that wasn''t installed correctly >-It would install Rails+dependencies plus mysql/postgresql bindings >(user chooses which) >-It *optionally* could start the Mysql or Postgresql Installer >-And possibly, even test everything with a demo to make sure everything works >That''s a really easy way to make Rails and Windows developers like you >to be happy. Anyone have any experience with creating Windows install >wizards? > >1. The R project has a whole set of tools they use to build their Windows installer. By contrast, their Linux releases are packaged as RPMs and .debs for the Red Hat and Debian folks. If you want, I''ll dig up the toolset they use to build the installer. I don''t know about MySQL, but PostgreSQL definitely has a native Windows installer. 2. I''m guessing an installer isn''t enough for Windows application developers. I suspect they''d want a nice IDE too. I think I saw this go by a week or so ago, but just for completeness, are there "recommended" open-source IDEs for Rails?> >In any case, hope you have a good experience with Rails from here on >out. It''s good for newcomers to give feedback on what works from a >Rails novice''s perspective so that developers can try to improve the >not-so-great experience it sounds like you had. >Speaking as another newcomer, I''d like an "appendix" to "Agile Development on Rails" which clearly documented what the differences are between Rails on MySQL, PostgreSQL and SQLite. Agile programming and object-oriented programming are supposed to be all about being able to change such things easily. As far as Rails itself is concerned, is it as simple as editing a .yml file and changing "mysql" to "postgres" or "sqlite"? -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://www.borasky-research.net/ http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/ http://pdxneurosemantics.com http://pdx-sales-coach.com http://algocompsynth.com
My major roadblock setting up rails on XP was the proxy issue -- which has nothing to do with XP. If you''re behind a proxy, you have to set the HTTP_PROXY environment variable to the full url to your proxy. It took me awhile to find this on the rubyonrails.org <http://rubyonrails.org> website. If that could be a little footnote somewhere in the "How to Install Rails" section, that would have helped me out a *lot* during my first install. On 9/12/05, Jacob Quinn Shenker <jqshenker-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > (sorry, didn''t post this to the list) > > Tom, > I wasn''t suggesting that you needed Cygwin. I simply found I liked it > better and other people on this ml might want to investigate that > path. For your situation, I''d propose a RailsOneClick installer, that > would much like the RubyOnClick installer, just get you up ''n running > asap. > -It would launch the RubyOnClick installer if for some reason you > didn''t install Ruby first. > -It would install RubyGems if that wasn''t installed correctly > -It would install Rails+dependencies plus mysql/postgresql bindings > (user chooses which) > -It *optionally* could start the Mysql or Postgresql Installer > -And possibly, even test everything with a demo to make sure everything > works > That''s a really easy way to make Rails and Windows developers like you > to be happy. Anyone have any experience with creating Windows install > wizards? > > Also, Tom, you should put you Howto on the Rails wiki. To create a new > page under Instiki (what wiki.rubyonrails.com<http://wiki.rubyonrails.com>uses) just find a page > ("HowtosInstallation") that you want to link to your new page > ("RailsOnWindows"), add a link to your non-existant page, then after > editing, click on the "?" next to the greyed-out link to your new > page. Edit away! > > In any case, hope you have a good experience with Rails from here on > out. It''s good for newcomers to give feedback on what works from a > Rails novice''s perspective so that developers can try to improve the > not-so-great experience it sounds like you had. Best of luck, > > Jacob > > On 9/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Jacob, > > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:38:54 -0700, Jacob Quinn Shenker > > <jqshenker-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > I prefer developing Ruby on Windows in Cygwin. Yeah, it''s probably > > > slower, but for developing, you get vim and a decent shell > > > (bash/rxvt). > > > > James, this is nuts. First I have to "get" ruby. Now I''m plowing through > > Rails, among other things. Now you want me to simulate a whole other > > operating system on Windows, learn a new editor and a new shell (I''m > > familiar with all three, by the way, but not enough to useful to > myself). > > > > I just don''t have time. Computers are NOT my world. Again I say, it > > shouldn''t (i.e., I don''t want it to be) this hard. Time is very > precious. > > I KNOW that it doesn''t HAVE to be that difficulty. People who want to > play > > baseball shouldn''t have to build the field first, else most of them will > > take up some other game. It''s that simple. > > > > > For production use that''s probably not practical, but > > > then again: who uses Windows in production anyway (for Ruby > > > especially, but also in general)?! > > > > Well, in my very real world, there are no real options. What you propose > > is not practical. Learning Ruby, etc., eats up all the time I have. > Sorry, > > but but that''s the truth. I HAVE to be able to do this in Win32 else I''m > > outta here. I don''t think I''m alone in this reality. > > > > Tom C. > > > > > Jacob > > > > > > On 9/11/05, James G. Britt <ruby.talk.list-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> On 9/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > >> > I just tried to solve this problem on the rails IRC. Gad, what a > bad > > >> > experience. Hey, let''s all talk at once, and make no sense! > > >> > > > >> > OK...I just struggled through a rails install on my WinXP box. Not > a > > >> nice > > >> > experience. Shouldn''t have been so hard, but then I had little to > work > > >> > with. > > >> > > >> > > >> What were the big issues? I''ve installed Ruby and Rails on Win2K and > > >> WinXP > > >> boxen, and the only time I had an issue was several Rails releases > ago, > > >> when > > >> there seemed to be something screwy with the mailer gem and upgrading > > >> would > > >> routinely barf. > > >> > > >> Did you not use the 1-click [sic] Windows intaller of Ruby, and then > > >> rubygems to install Rails? > > >> > > >> James > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rails mailing list > > >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > =====================================================> > Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC > > Private practice Psychotherapist > > Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 > > << BestMindHealth.com / tc-WMgB3f6btmHVVxuIwXfkItBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org >> > > =====================================================> > > > Using Opera''s revolutionary e-mail client (program): > > http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- Brock Weaver brockweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org /* you are not expected to understand this */ _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Heya :)> -----Original Message----- > From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails- > bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Quinn Shenker > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 6:39 PM > To: ruby.talk.list-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [Rails] rails install documentation for WinXP > > then again: who uses Windows in production anyway (for RubyQuite a few people. Server 2003 is a fantastic production environment, and .NET is in heavy production use all over the place. Ruby and Rails ignore this reality at their peril. Soulhuntre ---------- http://www.girl2.com - my girls http://www.the-estate.com - my legacy http://wiki.thegreybook.com - my project http://weblog.soulhuntre.com - my thoughts