I am using the Eclipse IDE + RDT for my Rails programming. However, it seems that there no one in the RDT team that is focusing on rails support. That is a pity I think. I have scanned through any information I could find about the project and have found no indication that rails is given a priority in any sense. Actually, it isn''t even mentioned on their pages (I couldn''t find anything at least). I am not a java programmer, but I am willing to catch up on the developments in the language (that have been fading since I first learned any java back in 1996 :), if I new that I had more people alongside of myself focusing and working to get something serious done in terms of rails support. I am not strong enough in either java, eclipse nor eclipse plugin fundamentals to be able to lead any such development. But I can be an asset in terms of development. This is a list of the features I''d like to see enhanced or added: ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Erb template syntax highlight support (for .rhtml view-files) 2. Code completion (similar to the original RDT goals) 3. Full test integration (I actually have full GUI support for this now, by changing a couple of lines of code and adding a couple of "test_suite" aggregators. 4. Tail-like log-support (with highlights and file:line-links embedded) 5. Buttons/speedkey support for running dev-server (webrick), with state. Possibly also fix the output to be non-buffered. Quick restart option for webrick. This should be available in the toolbar *directly* and via shortcut-keys, not via a dropdown. 6. Buttons/speedkey access for running test-suites (all functional tests, all unit-tests) from the toolbar. 7. Buttons/speedkeys for running some of the more often used generators and alike. Could even make a GUI for them... 8. Extend the filter currently in RDT to also support other specified file-types. Only .rb is kinda limiting. For instance I''d like it to show .rhtml and .yml files too. Now. I don''t know the best approach from here. Join RDT? Develop a "railclipse" plugin that would act as companion to RDT? But, I guess someone more experienced in this field is able to suggest the next steps from here. That is, if there really is an interest in doing this. I am open to any suggestions, I just want something to happen now, and not too late... I would love to contribute. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /*Ronny Hanssen*/
Hi Ronny, You''re not the only one that wants these things. I''d strongly suggest joining the RDT team. It looks like the original project became somewhat dormant, but has generated a bit of interest again recently. I think a strong show of support from the rails community could help make this project the vibrant and active effort that it needs to be. Craig On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:41 am, Ronny Hanssen wrote:> Now. I don''t know the best approach from here. > Join RDT? > Develop a "railclipse" plugin that would act as companion to RDT? > But, I guess someone more experienced in this field is able to suggest > the next steps from here. That is, if there really is an interest in > doing this.
On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Ronny Hanssen wrote:> I am using the Eclipse IDE + RDT for my Rails programming. > > However, it seems that there no one in the RDT team that is > focusing on > rails support. > ...... > Now. I don''t know the best approach from here. > Join RDT? > Develop a "railclipse" plugin that would act as companion to RDT?Ronny, I haven''t personally worked on RDT since it started development a few years ago, but I can tell you that few have worked on it that didn''t want something out of it. Typically, once they got what they wanted, they slowed down their efforts. I know that is what I did. So, it seems that those of you who get to use Rails every day may be the ones who need to build the tools. Develop one of your features (I think the Actions for running the tests would be a good, easy start), submit the patch and ask for membership. I would love to help, but I know I will be spending the next year of my professional life programming Java. I aim to make that easier (Java on Sails). adam williams
On Aug 31, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Adam Williams wrote:> Typically, once they got what they wanted, they slowed down their > efforts.And now that I have said this, there was a great post by David Corbin on the RDT list rallying the troops. Perhaps things are changing. adam
Ron Sweeney wrote:> hmmm... surprised none of you responded to this... ?I dont even have this message in my inbox... strange... but nonetheless I will reply to it...> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Ronny Hanssen* <ronnyh-7tg5dEkr+6sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org <mailto:ronnyh-7tg5dEkr+6sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>> > Date: Aug 29, 2005 9:41 PM > Subject: [Rails] Eclipse / RDT / Rails > To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org <mailto:rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > > I am using the Eclipse IDE + RDT for my Rails programming. > > However, it seems that there no one in the RDT team that is focusing on > rails support. That is a pity I think. I have scanned through any > information I could find about the project and have found no indication > that rails is given a priority in any sense. Actually, it isn''t even > mentioned on their pages (I couldn''t find anything at least). > > I am not a java programmer, but I am willing to catch up on the > developments in the language (that have been fading since I first > learned any java back in 1996 :), if I new that I had more people > alongside of myself focusing and working to get something serious done > in terms of rails support. I am not strong enough in either java, > eclipse nor eclipse plugin fundamentals to be able to lead any such > development. But I can be an asset in terms of development. > > This is a list of the features I''d like to see enhanced or added: > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1. Erb template syntax highlight support (for .rhtml view-files) > > 2. Code completion (similar to the original RDT goals) > > 3. Full test integration (I actually have full GUI support for this now, > by changing a couple of lines of code and adding a couple of > "test_suite" aggregators. > > 4. Tail-like log-support (with highlights and file:line-links embedded) > > 5. Buttons/speedkey support for running dev-server (webrick), with > state. Possibly also fix the output to be non-buffered. Quick restart > option for webrick. This should be available in the toolbar *directly* > and via shortcut-keys, not via a dropdown. > > 6. Buttons/speedkey access for running test-suites (all functional > tests, all unit-tests) from the toolbar. > > 7. Buttons/speedkeys for running some of the more often used generators > and alike. Could even make a GUI for them... > > 8. Extend the filter currently in RDT to also support other specified > file-types. Only ..rb is kinda limiting. For instance I''d like it to show > .rhtml and .yml files too. > > > Now. I don''t know the best approach from here. > Join RDT? > Develop a "railclipse" plugin that would act as companion to RDT? > But, I guess someone more experienced in this field is able to suggest > the next steps from here. That is, if there really is an interest in > doing this. > > I am open to any suggestions, I just want something to happen now, and > not too late... I would love to contribute. >Hi Ronny, Feel free to join the rdt team! The development mailing list is: sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=9198 We are always looking for help! Right now we are trying to stabilize a 0.6.0 release. After we do that we''re going to determine what features we want to add fora 0.7.0 release. There are 2 intermittent issues left before we release (IMO). Many hands make light work and you''re enthusiasm, ideas and willingness to help will be graciously accepted! Thanks, Zach
In article <4313B950.2060806-7tg5dEkr+6sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>, ronnyh-7tg5dEkr+ 6sdnm+yROfE0A-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says...> Now. I don''t know the best approach from here. > Join RDT?Definitely join RDT. I know a number of folks there are interested in Rails, but the first priority was getting 0.6 stable for use with 3.1, and restarting development overall. Now that that''s underway, I''m sure they''d love more developers and some Rails-specific features. I''m not a Java programmer either, but I''m learning it as I go, fixing the RDT bugs that itch me, hoping to contribute more in the future. -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that''s because I don''t have a jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler
I would suggest posting this email to the RDT list. It is always helpful to hear what the needs are from the community. There are some tutorials for setting up RDT for Rails, but the kind of functionality you are looking for is quite Rails specific. dathompson.blogspot.com/2005/07/rails-on-eclipse-31.html napcs.com/howto/railsonwindows.html Often in open source communities it can be easy to lose focus on the core competancies of a project. RDT has done a great job of focusing on developing Ruby first. The benefit to the community is that we have the limited resource of developers available on the RDT project working toward the base Ruby needs, like a ruby editor, testing, debugging, regexp, etc. Eventually there will be enough momentum to drive the development of a full fledged RDT/Rails plugin for Eclipse. I will be the first to assist (and have actually been tooling around with plugin development). But I''m working on my own open source project, so I''m stretched a little thin. I would have to spend a great deal of time learning plugin development anyways. Although, Eclipse 3.1 has done a great deal to make it easy. Just thought I''d share some thoughts. -dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D''Andrew Thompson dathompson.blogspot.com
FYI to RubyOnRailers in the Boston area who need to learn Eclipse to then help out developing the RDT -- a new Eclipse user group is starting. See bostonedge.org --Brian
Ok. I will give that serious consideration :) I guess I can expect help from the RDT team to get me up and going in the right direction. Thanks. Jay Levitt wrote:> In article <4313B950.2060806-7tg5dEkr+6sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>, ronnyh-7tg5dEkr+ > 6sdnm+yROfE0A-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says... > >>Now. I don''t know the best approach from here. >> Join RDT? > > > Definitely join RDT. I know a number of folks there are interested in > Rails, but the first priority was getting 0.6 stable for use with 3.1, > and restarting development overall. Now that that''s underway, I''m sure > they''d love more developers and some Rails-specific features. I''m not a > Java programmer either, but I''m learning it as I go, fixing the RDT bugs > that itch me, hoping to contribute more in the future. >-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /*Ronny Hanssen*/
There was a fwd posting that shows that my request has actually reached the RDT team somehow. I have already read the links below, but this one (napcs.com/howto/railsonwindows.html) I found very promising. Now with syntax highlighting for the rhtml files too. Cool! It also seems that the RDT team is more than welcoming new coders to add rails specific stuff. So I am seriously considering doing some Java work ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /*Ronny Hanssen*/ D''Andrew Thompson wrote:> I would suggest posting this email to the RDT list. It is always > helpful to hear what the needs are from the community. > > There are some tutorials for setting up RDT for Rails, but the kind of > functionality you are looking for is quite Rails specific. > > dathompson.blogspot.com/2005/07/rails-on-eclipse-31.html > napcs.com/howto/railsonwindows.html > > Often in open source communities it can be easy to lose focus on the > core competancies of a project. RDT has done a great job of focusing > on developing Ruby first. The benefit to the community is that we have > the limited resource of developers available on the RDT project > working toward the base Ruby needs, like a ruby editor, testing, > debugging, regexp, etc. > > Eventually there will be enough momentum to drive the development of a > full fledged RDT/Rails plugin for Eclipse. I will be the first to > assist (and have actually been tooling around with plugin > development). But I''m working on my own open source project, so I''m > stretched a little thin. I would have to spend a great deal of time > learning plugin development anyways. Although, Eclipse 3.1 has done a > great deal to make it easy. > > Just thought I''d share some thoughts. -dave >
Yes, thought that''d be a good start yes. As I said in earlier postings I am about to get my hands dirty on rdt. Wish me luck :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /*Ronny Hanssen*/ Adam Williams wrote:> On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Ronny Hanssen wrote: > >> I am using the Eclipse IDE + RDT for my Rails programming. >> >> However, it seems that there no one in the RDT team that is focusing on >> rails support. >> ...... >> Now. I don''t know the best approach from here. >> Join RDT? >> Develop a "railclipse" plugin that would act as companion to RDT? > > > Ronny, > > I haven''t personally worked on RDT since it started development a few > years ago, but I can tell you that few have worked on it that didn''t > want something out of it. Typically, once they got what they wanted, > they slowed down their efforts. I know that is what I did. So, it seems > that those of you who get to use Rails every day may be the ones who > need to build the tools. Develop one of your features (I think the > Actions for running the tests would be a good, easy start), submit the > patch and ask for membership. > > I would love to help, but I know I will be spending the next year of my > professional life programming Java. I aim to make that easier (Java on > Sails). > > adam williams > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >