Besides Textdrive I was hoping you guys/gals could post up some other webhosts that support Rails or provide enough access to be able to install Ruby and Rails? Textdrive is a bit pricey for the what they offer and I would like to explore other options. Thanks, PJ
http://planetargon.com/hosting/ http://steelpixel.com/hosting/ I haven''t used either, but the owners of each of those sites are both pretty active on IRC. On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Besides Textdrive I was hoping you guys/gals could post up some other > webhosts that support Rails or provide enough access to be able to > install Ruby and Rails? Textdrive is a bit pricey for the what they > offer and I would like to explore other options. > > Thanks, > PJ > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
http://Hub.org is quite reasonable Check out their template 3 http://hub.org/template3.php It has ruby and mod_ruby Im not on the same template as this, but ive just asked them to get ruby mod_ruby and rails set up for one of my domains. They are usually able to accommodate Both mysql and postgresql databases as well :) as well as shell access> -----Original Message----- > From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > [mailto:rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of PJ Hyett > Sent: June 15, 2005 5:36 PM > To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > Subject: [Rails] Rails hosting > > Besides Textdrive I was hoping you guys/gals could post up some other > webhosts that support Rails or provide enough access to be able to > install Ruby and Rails? Textdrive is a bit pricey for the what they > offer and I would like to explore other options. > > Thanks, > PJ > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
PJ Hyett wrote:>Besides Textdrive I was hoping you guys/gals could post up some other >webhosts that support Rails or provide enough access to be able to >install Ruby and Rails? Textdrive is a bit pricey for the what they >offer and I would like to explore other options. > >I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider pricey... _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider pricey...Textdrive $12/month -300 mb disk space -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month -Up to 3 websites with email -Up to 6 MySQL databases DreamHost $10/month -1 free domain registration -3 full domains, 15 subdomains -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users -Unlimited Mysql There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby to run Rails. -PJ
On 6/16/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Besides Textdrive I was hoping you guys/gals could post up some other > webhosts that support Rails or provide enough access to be able to > install Ruby and Rails? Textdrive is a bit pricey for the what they > offer and I would like to explore other options.While your financial situation may make the difference in price significant, you may want to read this FAQ entry. http://kb.textdrive.com/faq/why-arent-you-even-cheaper http://weblog.textdrive.com/article/74> Thanks, > PJ > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Cheers Koz
I am a TextDrive subscriber and can vouch for the worth of a few extra bucks. I switched from a large host with tons of offerings and horrible service. I now pay a few extra for textdrive, and get excellent customer service and rapid responses to problems - even problems that are my own doing. I even had a long conversation recently about my hosting needs with Jason Hoffman, who runs that place. You''d be hard pressed to find a support agent at dreamhost who knows more about hosting that you do, much less a member of senior management who can advice you on bandwidth needs. Throw in a large rails community of its own, site and database backups, and lighttpd support, and you have your $2 worth of extra features. jason $40 plan subscriber ($20 of which goes to rails) Michael Koziarski wrote:> On 6/16/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >>Besides Textdrive I was hoping you guys/gals could post up some other >>webhosts that support Rails or provide enough access to be able to >>install Ruby and Rails? Textdrive is a bit pricey for the what they >>offer and I would like to explore other options. > > > While your financial situation may make the difference in price > significant, you may want to read this FAQ entry. > > http://kb.textdrive.com/faq/why-arent-you-even-cheaper > > http://weblog.textdrive.com/article/74 > > >>Thanks, >>PJ >>_______________________________________________ >>Rails mailing list >>Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >>http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > > >
On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider pricey... > > Textdrive > $12/month > -300 mb disk space > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > -Up to 3 websites with email > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > DreamHost > $10/month > -1 free domain registration > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > -Unlimited Mysql > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > to run Rails. > > -PJHi PJ, I''ve worked in the hosting industry, and I can confirm that generally, you get what you pay for in hosting companies. There are basically two hosting market segments: High-volume, low service, low-cost sites like Dreamhost, and high-quality, high-service, high(er)-cost companies like Textdrive (or the company that I use, bsdhosting.net). As the posts Michael pointed out, one big difference is the hardware they use. Do you want your business hosted on a $500 box, or a $5000 one? Are the servers oversold? Will you be on the same server as someone running a badly-designed, resource hog site, that brings -your- site down along with it? Dreamhost seems to get pretty good reviews (although you should ignore the so-called host-ranking sites-- they''re almost always pay-for-placement-- and take any online reviews with a grain of salt-- many of the companies use shills to write them positive reviews), but if this is a business site, and you demand high-availability, I HIGHLY recommend you go with a higher-end host. If it''s a hobby site, I''m sure dreamhost would be fine. BTW, if they have Ruby installed, you should be able to install Rails with just shell access, since it runs as a CGI. Make sure the support FCGI, or your site will be very slow.
PJ Hyett wrote:>>I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider pricey... >> >> > >Textdrive >$12/month >-300 mb disk space >-3 gigabytes bandwidth per month >-Up to 3 websites with email >-Up to 6 MySQL databases > >DreamHost >$10/month >-1 free domain registration >-3 full domains, 15 subdomains >-2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer >-600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users >-Unlimited Mysql > >There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money >at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby >to run Rails. > >I''m not a TextDrive customer nor will likely be, but at least Textdrive''s prices are more reasonable. DreamHost is overselling their bandwidth to say the least. You are not going to be getting 8cents/GB anywhere. In Canada at my colo it costs them about $1/GB (I asked). US has more competition so lower prices but you will not get 5c/GB and make any money. Take a look at the prices at he.com. They are selling webhosts at about 25c/GB (but if you go over, $10/GB min). Plus there are costs with the servers and CPU usage. 120GB can chew-up a modern server if all you do is server generated pages. Anyway, TextDrive is reasonable. If you find you are using too much bandwidth to serve static files from your rails app, then stick the static parts on DreamHost. That way your apps should run fast enough on Textdrive (because they do not seem to oversell), and use up DreamHost''s bandwidth. Even if DreamHost is overselling, static contents will not be slowed down. But dynamic contents will be s.l.o.w. (from my experience with different web hosts in the past). Just my 2 cents. - Adam
> I''m not a TextDrive customer nor will likely be, but at least > Textdrive''s prices are more reasonable. DreamHost is overselling their > bandwidth to say the least. You are not going to be getting 8cents/GB > anywhere. In Canada at my colo it costs them about $1/GB (I asked). US > has more competition so lower prices but you will not get 5c/GB and make > any money. Take a look at the prices at he.com. They are selling > webhosts at about 25c/GB (but if you go over, $10/GB min). Plus there > are costs with the servers and CPU usage. 120GB can chew-up a modern > server if all you do is server generated pages.Ignore the $10/Gig quoted by by HE. The point of the exorbinant fees for overages is to allow them to more easily budget their bandwidth. Bandwidth is cheap if you buy it in large enough quantities (like HE does). But at the same time, if you''re using lots of bandwidth, you''re probably also using lots of other system resources, so they want to make sure you upgrade to a higher package. And of course, exorbinant overage fees work the same way for them as it does for your cell-phone company-- you''ll buy the next package up, "just in case". If you exceed the 25Gigs bandwidth of their base package buy 1 gig, you''ve paid for the difference between it & the next package up (with 100gigs) more than three times, so you might as well just go with the higher one from the start, right?
You might also check out: http://www.ocssolutions.com They have reasonable rates, great Rails support, and knowledgeable support staff that you can call. -Larry On 6/15/05, Mike Payson <mikepayson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m not a TextDrive customer nor will likely be, but at least > > Textdrive''s prices are more reasonable. DreamHost is overselling their > > bandwidth to say the least. You are not going to be getting 8cents/GB > > anywhere. In Canada at my colo it costs them about $1/GB (I asked). US > > has more competition so lower prices but you will not get 5c/GB and make > > any money. Take a look at the prices at he.com. They are selling > > webhosts at about 25c/GB (but if you go over, $10/GB min). Plus there > > are costs with the servers and CPU usage. 120GB can chew-up a modern > > server if all you do is server generated pages. > > Ignore the $10/Gig quoted by by HE. The point of the exorbinant fees > for overages is to allow them to more easily budget their bandwidth. > Bandwidth is cheap if you buy it in large enough quantities (like HE > does). But at the same time, if you''re using lots of bandwidth, you''re > probably also using lots of other system resources, so they want to > make sure you upgrade to a higher package. > > And of course, exorbinant overage fees work the same way for them as > it does for your cell-phone company-- you''ll buy the next package up, > "just in case". If you exceed the 25Gigs bandwidth of their base > package buy 1 gig, you''ve paid for the difference between it & the > next package up (with 100gigs) more than three times, so you might as > well just go with the higher one from the start, right? > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Dreamhost is actively working on setting up rails support -- I''ve been doing some testing with them. Some of their hosts are already configured and others will be soon. They''ve recently updated all their hosts to Ruby 1.8.2 in preparation. FWIW, I did install Ruby and Rails from the shell, so it can be done, but you shouldn''t need that any more. They will offer rails with FastCGI and a whole bunch of gems. I''ve been with them for about a year with several sites and they''ve been great to work with. None of my sites are big, mission-critical sites, more hobby/club/personal types (as are about 99% of the sites out there). But when I''ve had a question/request, they''ve always been readily available. -Tom http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider pricey... > > Textdrive > $12/month > -300 mb disk space > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > -Up to 3 websites with email > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > DreamHost > $10/month > -1 free domain registration > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > -Unlimited Mysql > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > to run Rails. > > -PJ > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Any idea when we can expect to have FastCGI, the gems, and rails installed at Dreamhost? Thanks for the info, the funny thing is that I just shot them an email about running FastCGI. -PJ On 6/16/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Dreamhost is actively working on setting up rails support -- I''ve been > doing some testing with them. Some of their hosts are already > configured and others will be soon. They''ve recently updated all their > hosts to Ruby 1.8.2 in preparation. > > FWIW, I did install Ruby and Rails from the shell, so it can be done, > but you shouldn''t need that any more. They will offer rails with > FastCGI and a whole bunch of gems. > > I''ve been with them for about a year with several sites and they''ve > been great to work with. None of my sites are big, mission-critical > sites, more hobby/club/personal types (as are about 99% of the sites > out there). But when I''ve had a question/request, they''ve always been > readily available. > > -Tom > http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen > > On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider pricey... > > > > Textdrive > > $12/month > > -300 mb disk space > > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > > -Up to 3 websites with email > > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > > > DreamHost > > $10/month > > -1 free domain registration > > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > > -Unlimited Mysql > > > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > > to run Rails. > > > > -PJ > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
While on the subject of Dreamhost: their shared hosting service is phenomenal, their dedicated hosting is a little more dodgy. Obviously, I can''t speak to their Rails support as it''s not publicly supported yet. Cheers, Jim
I have had a bad experience with Textdrive. Going to give this Dreamhost company a try. Who deserves credit for the referral? PJ? You got a referral account? That''s a pretty nice $97 referral bonus for the price of these plans! http://www.dreamhost.com/rewards.html -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Van Fleet" <jim-HW8W3q4hXPgyx5EpGhof3g@public.gmane.org> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Rails] Rails hosting> While on the subject of Dreamhost: their shared hosting service is > phenomenal, their dedicated hosting is a little more dodgy. Obviously, I > can''t speak to their Rails support as it''s not publicly supported yet. > > Cheers, > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
what sort of bad experience? Jeffrey Moss wrote:> I have had a bad experience with Textdrive._______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I do feel I should offer further explication here about DH and TXD. Dreamhost is the first serious webhost I used, and I''ve referred everybody interested to them. Their web panel is great for giving a user what they''re after without having to use the command line. If you want something that''s not supported, though, you can essentially forget it completely or wait a LOOONG time. In general. They have a gigantic, well organized knowledge base with user comments (think the php.net reference-- nice). When you contact support, you do it through the support interface on your own panel. Most of the time you''ll get someone clueful, sometimes not, but I''ve had enormous success rates with the first reply going to the non-clueful''s supervisor, who has always been clueful. TextDrive is a totally different experience. If you are considering becoming a TxD user, you should absolutely start reading the forum, and revisit it often. The most valuable part (to me) is that you actively participate in a cutting-edge community that''s trying to make things work. You never know what they''ll get into! I got a VCII account at TxD, and I don''t regret it at all. Is it as polished as Dreamhost? Not even close. But they''ve just turned 1 year old. You shouldn''t expect as cohesive of a support experience, but it''s getting better all the time. But Dreamhost has never really taught me how to do anything. TxD has, big time, and I''ve only been there a few months. And in a few years, it could be as polished as Dreamhost-- then I''ll be in great shape! I like both. Hopefully this can help those not directly involved in this discussion. (Also, my Dreamhost referal ID is ''prideas'', :-) ) Cheers, Jim
Well, they are unreliable. My webmin access is inaccessible occassionally, I sent an email to support and they said it''s a perl script that hangs every now and then and they just wait for a ticket to come in and they restart it. They say they are going to develop a new web administration system to replace it, no timeframe though. My email is flakey, for example, just now when I sent that last message it didn''t send the first time, incoming mail won''t come in immediately, takes a few attempts. Something to do with their SMTP server. It''s most likely because they host the email on the same box the users log in to, instead of a dedicated machine, they told me they were fixing that next month though. But the thing that bugged me the worst was that their techs have this attitude that you''re only paying 40 cents a day and this is what you should expect, and when you send them an email with the subject line "I CAN''T SEND OR RECEIVE EMAIL!!!" they think you''re being unreasonably harsh and tell you to find another host if you don''t like it. So that''s what I''m doing. -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean T Allen" <sean-5W9FBhQXBOtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Rails] Rails hosting> what sort of bad experience? > > Jeffrey Moss wrote: > >> I have had a bad experience with Textdrive. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
On 16-Jun-05, at 2:20 PM, Jeffrey Moss wrote:> and when you send them an email with the subject line "I CAN''T SEND > OR RECEIVE EMAIL!!!" they think you''re being unreasonably harsh and > tell you to find another host if you don''t like it.Personally, I despise getting emails with all caps subject lines. Maybe that explains the attitude? I''ve been using TxD for several months and haven''t had a single problem other than the occasional outage (which is always dealt with immediately). Mere growing pains, I say. They really _get it_ when it comes to hosting. See here, also http://weblog.rubyonrails.com/archives/2005/03/31/reasonable- expectations-on-a-12-plan/ /Jeff
Jeffrey Hardy wrote:> > On 16-Jun-05, at 2:20 PM, Jeffrey Moss wrote: > >> and when you send them an email with the subject line "I CAN''T SEND >> OR RECEIVE EMAIL!!!" they think you''re being unreasonably harsh and >> tell you to find another host if you don''t like it. > > > Personally, I despise getting emails with all caps subject lines. > Maybe that explains the attitude? > > I''ve been using TxD for several months and haven''t had a single > problem other than the occasional outage (which is always dealt with > immediately). Mere growing pains, I say. They really _get it_ when it > comes to hosting. > > See here, also > http://weblog.rubyonrails.com/archives/2005/03/31/reasonable- > expectations-on-a-12-plan/ >I havent had any problems with them either... hmm.. _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> -----Original Message----- > From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails- > bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Hardy > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:40 PM > To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [Rails] Rails hosting > > > On 16-Jun-05, at 2:20 PM, Jeffrey Moss wrote: > > > and when you send them an email with the subject line "I CAN''T SEND > > OR RECEIVE EMAIL!!!" they think you''re being unreasonably harsh and > > tell you to find another host if you don''t like it. > > Personally, I despise getting emails with all caps subject lines. > Maybe that explains the attitude?[Bennett, Patrick] There should be no attitude. He is the customer.>From what he described, it sounds like he is warranted in findinganother host.
Dreamhost is great, as long as you''re doing PHP or something like it that is a part of their standard supported features. I tried running rails on it, but it was only supported in CGI mode (they don''t have fastcgi), and every page took about 10 seconds (not kidding) to load. On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider > pricey... > > Textdrive > $12/month > -300 mb disk space > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > -Up to 3 websites with email > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > DreamHost > $10/month > -1 free domain registration > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > -Unlimited Mysql > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > to run Rails. > > -PJ > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
This just in from DH:>Alright, it''s all live. This setup requires people to run the''rails'' command from the terminal, >though. That might be a hindrance to some prospective users... FastCGI can be toggled >via the web panel, anyway. I checked on my control panel: Domains -> Web -> edit and there is now a check box for FastCGI. :) -Tom On 6/16/05, Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Dreamhost is great, as long as you''re doing PHP or something like it that is > a part of their standard supported features. I tried running rails on it, > but it was only supported in CGI mode (they don''t have fastcgi), and every > page took about 10 seconds (not kidding) to load. > > On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider > pricey... > > > > Textdrive > > $12/month > > -300 mb disk space > > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > > -Up to 3 websites with email > > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > > > DreamHost > > $10/month > > -1 free domain registration > > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > > -Unlimited Mysql > > > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > > to run Rails. > > > > -PJ > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- -- Tom Wilcoxen http://convergentarts.com http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen
Cool man thanks for the update! On 6/16/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > This just in from DH: > > >Alright, it''s all live. This setup requires people to run the > ''rails'' command from the terminal, >though. That might be a > hindrance to some prospective users... FastCGI can be toggled >via > the web panel, anyway. > > I checked on my control panel: Domains -> Web -> edit and there is now > a check box for FastCGI. :) > > -Tom > > > On 6/16/05, Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Dreamhost is great, as long as you''re doing PHP or something like it > that is > > a part of their standard supported features. I tried running rails on > it, > > but it was only supported in CGI mode (they don''t have fastcgi), and > every > > page took about 10 seconds (not kidding) to load. > > > > On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider > > pricey... > > > > > > Textdrive > > > $12/month > > > -300 mb disk space > > > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > > > -Up to 3 websites with email > > > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > > > > > DreamHost > > > $10/month > > > -1 free domain registration > > > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > > > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > > > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > > > -Unlimited Mysql > > > > > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > > > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > > > to run Rails. > > > > > > -PJ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Tom Wilcoxen > http://convergentarts.com > http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Excellent news, maybe you could let us know what the speeds are like? Thanks, PJ On 6/16/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> This just in from DH: > > >Alright, it''s all live. This setup requires people to run the > ''rails'' command from the terminal, >though. That might be a > hindrance to some prospective users... FastCGI can be toggled >via > the web panel, anyway. > > I checked on my control panel: Domains -> Web -> edit and there is now > a check box for FastCGI. :) > > -Tom > > > On 6/16/05, Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Dreamhost is great, as long as you''re doing PHP or something like it that is > > a part of their standard supported features. I tried running rails on it, > > but it was only supported in CGI mode (they don''t have fastcgi), and every > > page took about 10 seconds (not kidding) to load. > > > > On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider > > pricey... > > > > > > Textdrive > > > $12/month > > > -300 mb disk space > > > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > > > -Up to 3 websites with email > > > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > > > > > DreamHost > > > $10/month > > > -1 free domain registration > > > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > > > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > > > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > > > -Unlimited Mysql > > > > > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > > > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > > > to run Rails. > > > > > > -PJ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Tom Wilcoxen > http://convergentarts.com > http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
I''m still in early development so there''s no optimization or anything, plus the environment is still ''development'', but, given all that you can play around with this to get a feel: http://clubrs.org Feel free to add/delete etc. -Tom On 6/16/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Excellent news, maybe you could let us know what the speeds are like? > > Thanks, > PJ > > On 6/16/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > This just in from DH: > > > > >Alright, it''s all live. This setup requires people to run the > > ''rails'' command from the terminal, >though. That might be a > > hindrance to some prospective users... FastCGI can be toggled >via > > the web panel, anyway. > > > > I checked on my control panel: Domains -> Web -> edit and there is now > > a check box for FastCGI. :) > > > > -Tom > > > > > > On 6/16/05, Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Dreamhost is great, as long as you''re doing PHP or something like it that is > > > a part of their standard supported features. I tried running rails on it, > > > but it was only supported in CGI mode (they don''t have fastcgi), and every > > > page took about 10 seconds (not kidding) to load. > > > > > > On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider > > > pricey... > > > > > > > > Textdrive > > > > $12/month > > > > -300 mb disk space > > > > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > > > > -Up to 3 websites with email > > > > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > > > > > > > DreamHost > > > > $10/month > > > > -1 free domain registration > > > > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > > > > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > > > > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > > > > -Unlimited Mysql > > > > > > > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > > > > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > > > > to run Rails. > > > > > > > > -PJ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rails mailing list > > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Tom Wilcoxen > > http://convergentarts.com > > http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- -- Tom Wilcoxen http://convergentarts.com http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen
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Seems pretty slow to me. On 6/16/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m still in early development so there''s no optimization or anything, > plus the environment is still ''development'', but, given all that you > can play around with this to get a feel: > > http://clubrs.org > > Feel free to add/delete etc. > > -Tom_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Dreamhost, as of yesterday afternoon, has begun offering FastCGI, this in addition to Ruby On Rails. If you presently have a Dreamhost account, you can turn on FastCGI by navigating to: Control Panel > Domains > Web > FastCGI Support Dreamhost offers one of the strongest support experiences of any web hosting service. As a present customer, I am excited to be able to continue working with Dreamhost and can recommend them without reservation. Further information on Dreamhost + ROR: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails John _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
That''s definitely at least partly due to the app itself. I''ll try to clean up some stuff and put it in production mode to get a better idea. For example, right now it loads all the type table info for every request..... :P -Tom On 6/17/05, Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Seems pretty slow to me. > > On 6/16/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > I''m still in early development so there''s no optimization or anything, > > plus the environment is still ''development'', but, given all that you > > can play around with this to get a feel: > > > > http://clubrs.org > > > > Feel free to add/delete etc. > > > > -Tom > >-- -- Tom Wilcoxen http://convergentarts.com http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen
Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive forbids it.> On 6/16/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > I''m still in early development so there''s no optimization or anything, > > > plus the environment is still ''development'', but, given all that you > > > can play around with this to get a feel: > > > > > > http://clubrs.org > > > > > > Feel free to add/delete etc. > > > > > > -Tom > > > > > > > -- > -- > Tom Wilcoxen > http://convergentarts.com > http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 11:37 -0600, Barry Walker wrote:> Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive forbids it.PLANET ARGON is okay with development mode. ;-) http://www.planetargon.com/rails_hosting/ -Robby -- /****************************************************** * Robby Russell, Owner.Developer.Geek * PLANET ARGON, Open Source Solutions & Web Hosting * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 * www.planetargon.com | www.robbyonrails.com *******************************************************/
I don''t think dreamhost does anything to enforce it. After all, you can run it will your own installation of ruby and rubygems. On 6/17/05, Robby Russell <robby-/Lcn8Y7Ot69QmPsQ1CNsNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 11:37 -0600, Barry Walker wrote: > > Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive forbids it. > > PLANET ARGON is okay with development mode. ;-) > > http://www.planetargon.com/rails_hosting/ > > -Robby > > -- > /****************************************************** > * Robby Russell, Owner.Developer.Geek > * PLANET ARGON, Open Source Solutions & Web Hosting > * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 > * www.planetargon.com <http://www.planetargon.com> | www.robbyonrails.com<http://www.robbyonrails.com> > *******************************************************/ > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
They''ve been fine with it for as long as they''ve offered Rails support.... :) (That is to say, a day.) I''d guess it will remain ok -- they tend to be pretty hands-off unless something is really gumming up the works. -Tom On 6/17/05, Barry Walker <barryjr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive forbids it.
Yikes, that''s awfully slow. Robby, do you have any high-volume rails sites you''re hosting to compare speeds? -PJ On 6/17/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> They''ve been fine with it for as long as they''ve offered Rails > support.... :) (That is to say, a day.) I''d guess it will remain ok -- > they tend to be pretty hands-off unless something is really gumming up > the works. > > -Tom > > On 6/17/05, Barry Walker <barryjr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive forbids it. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Ok, by way of comparison, I just set up typo here: http://convergentarts.com It''s a lot zippier... It''s on the same host, just another domain. Enjoy the reading. :) -Tom On 6/17/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Yikes, that''s awfully slow. Robby, do you have any high-volume rails > sites you''re hosting to compare speeds? > > -PJ > > On 6/17/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > They''ve been fine with it for as long as they''ve offered Rails > > support.... :) (That is to say, a day.) I''d guess it will remain ok -- > > they tend to be pretty hands-off unless something is really gumming up > > the works. > > > > -Tom > > > > On 6/17/05, Barry Walker <barryjr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive forbids it. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- -- Tom Wilcoxen http://convergentarts.com http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 13:44 -0600, Tom Wilcoxen wrote:> Ok, by way of comparison, I just set up typo here: > > http://convergentarts.com > > It''s a lot zippier... It''s on the same host, just another domain. > Enjoy the reading. :) >To compare to a few hosted with us (planet argon): A fresh install of Typo: http://railstest.planetargon.com/ a few running blogs: http://blog.curthibbs.us (most popular blog we host) http://www.robbyonrails.com/ -Robby -- /****************************************************** * Robby Russell, Owner.Developer.Geek * PLANET ARGON, Open Source Solutions & Web Hosting * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 * www.planetargon.com | www.robbyonrails.com *******************************************************/
On Jun 17, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Barry Walker wrote:> Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive forbids it. >It''s not forbidden. I can scan the servers right now and there are well over a 1000 rails sites happily humming away, and many of the ones that are being worked on are in development mode, and it''s perfectly fine for people to switch in-and-out of it. There''s a difference between forbidding something and suggesting the best practice of not _leaving_ a publicly available site or long- running fcgi processes in development mode. - Jason
I was under the impression from the support staff that dev mode was a big no-no:> In production mode in FCGI, almost every file in your Rails app is > cached. In development, less of the files are cached (in general, > controllers shouldn''t be cached, but something may have gone wrong), > but some caching still exists. > > While we''re on the topic of development env vs prodction env, you most > definitely SHOULD NOT be running your app in development mode on our > servers. Here''s a quote from the latest weblog entry at > weblog.textdrive.com: > > "... running in the development environment is slower, exposes your > app (people see rescue pages for example) and the problem server-side > is that there is a degree of memory leakiness: everyone’s apps get > bigger and bigger and bigger until we essentially have to reboot a > machine to claim back GBs worth of RAM." > > So first things first, put it back into production please, and leave > it that way. I suspect development mode may have been the cause of > the errors your experienced.- Ben On Jun 17, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Jason A. Hoffman wrote:> > On Jun 17, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Barry Walker wrote: > >> Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive forbids it. >> > > It''s not forbidden. I can scan the servers right now and there are > well over a 1000 rails sites happily humming away, and many of the > ones that are being worked on are in development mode, and it''s > perfectly fine for people to switch in-and-out of it. > > There''s a difference between forbidding something and suggesting the > best practice of not _leaving_ a publicly available site or > long-running fcgi processes in development mode. > > - Jason > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
> On Jun 17, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Jason A. Hoffman wrote: >> On Jun 17, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Barry Walker wrote: >>> Does Deamhost mind if you run development mode? TextDrive >>> forbids it. >> >> It''s not forbidden. I can scan the servers right now and there are >> well over a 1000 rails sites happily humming away, and many of the >> ones that are being worked on are in development mode, and it''s >> perfectly fine for people to switch in-and-out of it. >> >> There''s a difference between forbidding something and suggesting >> the best practice of not _leaving_ a publicly available site or >> long-running fcgi processes in development mode. >> >> - JasonOn Jun 17, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Ben Jackson wrote:> I was under the impression from the support staff that dev mode was > a big no-no: > > - BenDev mode''s not an absolute no-no. Deploying on server follows the same model as Rails, when you''ve pushed something up that''s going to be running and getting traffic, run it in production mode. If somethings ... "hmm?" and you''d like to switch over to dev mode to see, that''s fine, just don''t leave it in development mode, turn on adaptive spawning and start telling people about the site. If you''re staging and it''s not public, running it in development mode all the time is fine. But it''s the same thing, don''t leave it running, there''s no need. If no one is hitting the site and you''re going to be out, turn it off. Even internally, this is how we do it. - Jason
TextDrive were very clear (after I bought an account) that they didn''t allow development mode on their servers. http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=3561 *Do not develop/code your application live on our servers* This means that you shouldn''t be running your code in "development" environment mode, and if you don''t know the difference between the Rails "development" and "production" environments, you really *really* need to pull down your application and learn more about Rails. It cause an unnecessary burden on our servers, creates huge debugging logs, and generally tells us that you''re developing and "testing" your application on our shared servers. Likewise, if you find yourself editing your .rb and .rhtml files directly on the server via SSH/FTP/SFTP, this means you''re developing and running untested programs on our servers. ... *Be warned* We''re not going to stand for this abuse of our servers. A shared hosting server with hundreds or thousands of other domains is not the place to learn how to program ruby or experiment with the latest version of Rails. Jan has already contacted one such offender tonight, and we''ll be doing some serious auditing in the near future. Of course we already know who most of you are. There will be a warning, and then there will be more serious measures, like server downtime charges and cancellation of accounts.>> It''s not forbidden. I can scan the servers right now and there are > >> well over a 1000 rails sites happily humming away, and many of the > >> ones that are being worked on are in development mode, and it''s > >> perfectly fine for people to switch in-and-out of it. > >> > >> There''s a difference between forbidding something and suggesting > >> the best practice of not _leaving_ a publicly available site or > >> long-running fcgi processes in development mode. > >> > >> - Jason > > > On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: > > I was under the impression from the support staff that dev mode was > > a big no-no: > > > > - Ben > > Dev mode''s not an absolute no-no. Deploying on server follows the > same model as Rails, when you''ve pushed something up that''s going to > be running and getting traffic, run it in production mode. If > somethings ... "hmm?" and you''d like to switch over to dev mode to > see, that''s fine, just don''t leave it in development mode, turn on > adaptive spawning and start telling people about the site. > > If you''re staging and it''s not public, running it in development mode > all the time is fine. But it''s the same thing, don''t leave it > running, there''s no need. If no one is hitting the site and you''re > going to be out, turn it off. > > Even internally, this is how we do it. > > - Jason > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Really nice idea with the script. I took it and added a few minor things. To install rails and everything you need to get started on your shell type curl http://home.leetsoft.com/dropbox/private-ruby/install | sh On 6/17/05, John Greek <jcgreek3-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Dreamhost, as of yesterday afternoon, has begun offering FastCGI, this in > addition to Ruby On Rails. If you presently have a Dreamhost account, you > can turn on FastCGI by navigating to: > > Control Panel > Domains > Web > FastCGI Support > > Dreamhost offers one of the strongest support experiences of any web hosting > service. As a present customer, I am excited to be able to continue working > with Dreamhost and can recommend them without reservation. > > Further information on Dreamhost + ROR: > http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails > > John > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- Tobi http://www.snowdevil.ca - Snowboards that don''t suck http://typo.leetsoft.com - Open source weblog engine http://blog.leetsoft.com - Technical weblog
I can see how that can be read and that it uses rails as an example, and that in some ways it uses "development mode" as a proxy for learning-how-to-develop/general-sloppiness-regardless-of-language-or- framework. There are plenty of people that develop on our servers, that run in development mode and 99.99% of the time there''s no issues with it, and then a number of them are so nice and tidy about it, that I find myself hiring them. Because it''s all no different than when you''re living by yourself you can be as sloppy as you want to be, but when you live with others and sometimes they themselves have to be presentable, then you can''t be. And once you inject money into the entire situation, then .... In my mind, the policy always been what I''ve said below, and ultimately I set the policy. - Jason On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Barry Walker wrote:> TextDrive were very clear (after I bought an account) that they > didn''t allow development mode on their servers. > > >> It''s not forbidden. I can scan the servers right now and there are > >> well over a 1000 rails sites happily humming away, and many of the > >> ones that are being worked on are in development mode, and it''s > >> perfectly fine for people to switch in-and-out of it. > >> > >> There''s a difference between forbidding something and suggesting > >> the best practice of not _leaving_ a publicly available site or > >> long-running fcgi processes in development mode. > >> > >> - Jason > > > On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: > > I was under the impression from the support staff that dev mode was > > a big no-no: > > > > - Ben > > Dev mode''s not an absolute no-no. Deploying on server follows the > same model as Rails, when you''ve pushed something up that''s going to > be running and getting traffic, run it in production mode. If > somethings ... "hmm?" and you''d like to switch over to dev mode to > see, that''s fine, just don''t leave it in development mode, turn on > adaptive spawning and start telling people about the site. > > If you''re staging and it''s not public, running it in development mode > all the time is fine. But it''s the same thing, don''t leave it > running, there''s no need. If no one is hitting the site and you''re > going to be out, turn it off. > > Even internally, this is how we do it. > > - Jason
Thanks. Quick fix: You can test which ruby executable is used with \"witch ruby\"" I think you mean "which" instead of "witch." Unless you''re talking about some supernatural mutation of ruby :) On 6/17/05, Tobias Luetke <tobias.luetke-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Really nice idea with the script. > > I took it and added a few minor things. To install rails and > everything you need to get started on your shell type > > curl http://home.leetsoft.com/dropbox/private-ruby/install | sh > > On 6/17/05, John Greek <jcgreek3-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > Dreamhost, as of yesterday afternoon, has begun offering FastCGI, this > in > > addition to Ruby On Rails. If you presently have a Dreamhost account, > you > > can turn on FastCGI by navigating to: > > > > Control Panel > Domains > Web > FastCGI Support > > > > Dreamhost offers one of the strongest support experiences of any web > hosting > > service. As a present customer, I am excited to be able to continue > working > > with Dreamhost and can recommend them without reservation. > > > > Further information on Dreamhost + ROR: > > http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails > > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > -- > Tobi > http://www.snowdevil.ca - Snowboards that don''t suck > http://typo.leetsoft.com - Open source weblog engine > http://blog.leetsoft.com - Technical weblog > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Note that for DreamHost that wiki page is now out of date (though that script could still be useful elsewhere). It was put up before they got Ruby updated and Rails installed. You don''t actually have to execute that script at all. If you have a DH account, go to the shell and type which ruby gem list | more To see the goods. I''ll try to pitch in on that wiki page sometime soon. -Tom On 6/17/05, Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Thanks. Quick fix: > > You can test which ruby executable is used with \"witch ruby\"" > > I think you mean "which" instead of "witch." Unless you''re talking about > some supernatural mutation of ruby :) > > > On 6/17/05, Tobias Luetke <tobias.luetke-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Really nice idea with the script. > > > > I took it and added a few minor things. To install rails and > > everything you need to get started on your shell type > > > > curl > http://home.leetsoft.com/dropbox/private-ruby/install | sh > > > > On 6/17/05, John Greek <jcgreek3-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dreamhost, as of yesterday afternoon, has begun offering FastCGI, this > in > > > addition to Ruby On Rails. If you presently have a Dreamhost account, > you > > > can turn on FastCGI by navigating to: > > > > > > Control Panel > Domains > Web > FastCGI Support > > > > > > Dreamhost offers one of the strongest support experiences of any web > hosting > > > service. As a present customer, I am excited to be able to continue > working > > > with Dreamhost and can recommend them without reservation. > > > > > > Further information on Dreamhost + ROR: > > > http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails > > > > > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tobi > > http://www.snowdevil.ca - Snowboards that don''t suck > > http://typo.leetsoft.com - Open source weblog engine > > http://blog.leetsoft.com - Technical weblog > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- -- Tom Wilcoxen http://convergentarts.com http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen
This is cool as I''m picking up a project for a client that uses Dreamhost... and here I thought I''d have to use php. Are they running FastCGI with Apache? I thought that there were stability problems with that. Does anyone have a rails app up on Dreamhost? On 6/17/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Note that for DreamHost that wiki page is now out of date (though that > script could still be useful elsewhere). It was put up before they got > Ruby updated and Rails installed. You don''t actually have to execute > that script at all. If you have a DH account, go to the shell and type > > which ruby > gem list | more > > To see the goods. I''ll try to pitch in on that wiki page sometime soon. > > -Tom > > On 6/17/05, Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Thanks. Quick fix: > > > > You can test which ruby executable is used with \"witch ruby\"" > > > > I think you mean "which" instead of "witch." Unless you''re talking about > > some supernatural mutation of ruby :) > > > > > > On 6/17/05, Tobias Luetke <tobias.luetke-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Really nice idea with the script. > > > > > > I took it and added a few minor things. To install rails and > > > everything you need to get started on your shell type > > > > > > curl > > http://home.leetsoft.com/dropbox/private-ruby/install | sh > > > > > > On 6/17/05, John Greek <jcgreek3-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamhost, as of yesterday afternoon, has begun offering FastCGI, this > > in > > > > addition to Ruby On Rails. If you presently have a Dreamhost account, > > you > > > > can turn on FastCGI by navigating to: > > > > > > > > Control Panel > Domains > Web > FastCGI Support > > > > > > > > Dreamhost offers one of the strongest support experiences of any web > > hosting > > > > service. As a present customer, I am excited to be able to continue > > working > > > > with Dreamhost and can recommend them without reservation. > > > > > > > > Further information on Dreamhost + ROR: > > > > http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails > > > > > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rails mailing list > > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tobi > > > http://www.snowdevil.ca - Snowboards that don''t suck > > > http://typo.leetsoft.com - Open source weblog engine > > > http://blog.leetsoft.com - Technical weblog > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Tom Wilcoxen > http://convergentarts.com > http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Here''s a clean install of typo: http://convergentarts.com/ Hosted at DreamHost on FastCGI with Apache. See the other thread (Rails Hosting I think) for more on DH and Rails.... From what I''ve read, the main stability problems are with Windows and FastCGI. I think on Linux it''s more of a resource allocation issue regarding FastCGI. (Correct me if I''m wrong....:) -Tom On 6/17/05, Mike Evans <mje113-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> This is cool as I''m picking up a project for a client that uses > Dreamhost... and here I thought I''d have to use php. > > Are they running FastCGI with Apache? I thought that there were > stability problems with that. Does anyone have a rails app up on > Dreamhost? > > On 6/17/05, Tom Wilcoxen <tomwilcoxen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Note that for DreamHost that wiki page is now out of date (though that > > script could still be useful elsewhere). It was put up before they got > > Ruby updated and Rails installed. You don''t actually have to execute > > that script at all. If you have a DH account, go to the shell and type > > > > which ruby > > gem list | more > > > > To see the goods. I''ll try to pitch in on that wiki page sometime soon. > > > > -Tom > > > > On 6/17/05, Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Thanks. Quick fix: > > > > > > You can test which ruby executable is used with \"witch ruby\"" > > > > > > I think you mean "which" instead of "witch." Unless you''re talking about > > > some supernatural mutation of ruby :) > > > > > > > > > On 6/17/05, Tobias Luetke <tobias.luetke-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > Really nice idea with the script. > > > > > > > > I took it and added a few minor things. To install rails and > > > > everything you need to get started on your shell type > > > > > > > > curl > > > http://home.leetsoft.com/dropbox/private-ruby/install | sh > > > > > > > > On 6/17/05, John Greek <jcgreek3-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamhost, as of yesterday afternoon, has begun offering FastCGI, this > > > in > > > > > addition to Ruby On Rails. If you presently have a Dreamhost account, > > > you > > > > > can turn on FastCGI by navigating to: > > > > > > > > > > Control Panel > Domains > Web > FastCGI Support > > > > > > > > > > Dreamhost offers one of the strongest support experiences of any web > > > hosting > > > > > service. As a present customer, I am excited to be able to continue > > > working > > > > > with Dreamhost and can recommend them without reservation. > > > > > > > > > > Further information on Dreamhost + ROR: > > > > > http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rails mailing list > > > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tobi > > > > http://www.snowdevil.ca - Snowboards that don''t suck > > > > http://typo.leetsoft.com - Open source weblog engine > > > > http://blog.leetsoft.com - Technical weblog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rails mailing list > > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Tom Wilcoxen > > http://convergentarts.com > > http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- -- Tom Wilcoxen http://convergentarts.com http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen
Hi Jason, I''ve personally no problems with this policy -- ultimately it benefits all of us sharing the server. However, it''d be good if it could be made more explicit, perhaps even linked to in the welcome emails set out. I was personally unaware of it (of course you could argue it''s common sense, but it''s better to have something that''s codified). Ben On 6/18/05, Jason A. Hoffman <jason-xKtDo/uLHBtl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I can see how that can be read and that it uses rails as an example, > and that in some ways it uses "development mode" as a proxy for > learning-how-to-develop/general-sloppiness-regardless-of-language-or- > framework. There are plenty of people that develop on our servers, > that run in development mode and 99.99% of the time there''s no issues > with it, and then a number of them are so nice and tidy about it, > that I find myself hiring them. > > Because it''s all no different than when you''re living by yourself you > can be as sloppy as you want to be, but when you live with others and > sometimes they themselves have to be presentable, then you can''t be. > And once you inject money into the entire situation, then .... > > In my mind, the policy always been what I''ve said below, and > ultimately I set the policy. > > - Jason > > On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Barry Walker wrote: > > > TextDrive were very clear (after I bought an account) that they > > didn''t allow development mode on their servers. > > > > >> It''s not forbidden. I can scan the servers right now and there are > > >> well over a 1000 rails sites happily humming away, and many of the > > >> ones that are being worked on are in development mode, and it''s > > >> perfectly fine for people to switch in-and-out of it. > > >> > > >> There''s a difference between forbidding something and suggesting > > >> the best practice of not _leaving_ a publicly available site or > > >> long-running fcgi processes in development mode. > > >> > > >> - Jason > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: > > > I was under the impression from the support staff that dev mode was > > > a big no-no: > > > > > > - Ben > > > > Dev mode''s not an absolute no-no. Deploying on server follows the > > same model as Rails, when you''ve pushed something up that''s going to > > be running and getting traffic, run it in production mode. If > > somethings ... "hmm?" and you''d like to switch over to dev mode to > > see, that''s fine, just don''t leave it in development mode, turn on > > adaptive spawning and start telling people about the site. > > > > If you''re staging and it''s not public, running it in development mode > > all the time is fine. But it''s the same thing, don''t leave it > > running, there''s no need. If no one is hitting the site and you''re > > going to be out, turn it off. > > > > Even internally, this is how we do it. > > > > - Jason > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
I think that especially with Rails'' appeal to new and inexperienced programmers, you are going to see a lot of noobs signing up without realizing how their actions on the server affect the other users. Putting the policies in the welcome email sounds like a good idea to me. The other Ben On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Ben Myles wrote:> Hi Jason, > > I''ve personally no problems with this policy -- ultimately it benefits > all of us sharing the server. However, it''d be good if it could be > made more explicit, perhaps even linked to in the welcome emails set > out. I was personally unaware of it (of course you could argue it''s > common sense, but it''s better to have something that''s codified). > > Ben > > On 6/18/05, Jason A. Hoffman <jason-xKtDo/uLHBtl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> I can see how that can be read and that it uses rails as an example, >> and that in some ways it uses "development mode" as a proxy for >> learning-how-to-develop/general-sloppiness-regardless-of-language-or- >> framework. There are plenty of people that develop on our servers, >> that run in development mode and 99.99% of the time there''s no issues >> with it, and then a number of them are so nice and tidy about it, >> that I find myself hiring them. >> >> Because it''s all no different than when you''re living by yourself you >> can be as sloppy as you want to be, but when you live with others and >> sometimes they themselves have to be presentable, then you can''t be. >> And once you inject money into the entire situation, then .... >> >> In my mind, the policy always been what I''ve said below, and >> ultimately I set the policy. >> >> - Jason >> >> On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Barry Walker wrote: >> >>> TextDrive were very clear (after I bought an account) that they >>> didn''t allow development mode on their servers. >>> >>>>> It''s not forbidden. I can scan the servers right now and there are >>>>> well over a 1000 rails sites happily humming away, and many of the >>>>> ones that are being worked on are in development mode, and it''s >>>>> perfectly fine for people to switch in-and-out of it. >>>>> >>>>> There''s a difference between forbidding something and suggesting >>>>> the best practice of not _leaving_ a publicly available site or >>>>> long-running fcgi processes in development mode. >>>>> >>>>> - Jason >>> >>> >>> On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: >>>> I was under the impression from the support staff that dev mode was >>>> a big no-no: >>>> >>>> - Ben >>> >>> Dev mode''s not an absolute no-no. Deploying on server follows the >>> same model as Rails, when you''ve pushed something up that''s going to >>> be running and getting traffic, run it in production mode. If >>> somethings ... "hmm?" and you''d like to switch over to dev mode to >>> see, that''s fine, just don''t leave it in development mode, turn on >>> adaptive spawning and start telling people about the site. >>> >>> If you''re staging and it''s not public, running it in development mode >>> all the time is fine. But it''s the same thing, don''t leave it >>> running, there''s no need. If no one is hitting the site and you''re >>> going to be out, turn it off. >>> >>> Even internally, this is how we do it. >>> >>> - Jason >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
On 6/18/05, Barry Walker <barryjr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > TextDrive were very clear (after I bought an account) that they didn''t allow > development mode on their servers. > > http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=3561I''ve never had any grief from textdrive about this kind of thing. Jason speaks for textdrive, so I take it that his policy as outlined is ''official'' -- Cheers Koz
> I''m still in early development so there''s no optimization or anything, > plus the environment is still ''development'', but, given all that you > can play around with this to get a feel: > > http://clubrs.orgTom, Have you had any success in setting DH rails apps into production mode? If so, how? Thanks, Nathan
Nathan, It is in production mode now, but its _way_ far from optimized. (E.g. it loads all my reference data tables for each request.) I did it quick and dirty by changing environment.rb line 2: RAILS_ENV = ENV[''RAILS_ENV''] || ''production'' I haven''t had time to check if there''s a more elegant way. This typo install is in production mode and uses the same means (out of the box): http://convergentarts.com -Tom On 6/21/05, Nathan Colgate Clark <nathancolgate-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m still in early development so there''s no optimization or anything, > > plus the environment is still ''development'', but, given all that you > > can play around with this to get a feel: > > > > http://clubrs.org > > Tom, > > Have you had any success in setting DH rails apps into production > mode? If so, how? > > Thanks, > > Nathan >-- -- Tom Wilcoxen http://convergentarts.com http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen
On 6/15/05, Mike Payson <mikepayson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On 6/15/05, PJ Hyett <pjhyett-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > I''m just wondering what exactly about their pricing you consider pricey... > > > > Textdrive > > $12/month > > -300 mb disk space > > -3 gigabytes bandwidth per month > > -Up to 3 websites with email > > -Up to 6 MySQL databases > > > > DreamHost > > $10/month > > -1 free domain registration > > -3 full domains, 15 subdomains > > -2400 MB Disk, 120 GB Transfer > > -600 Mailboxes, 75 Shell/FTP Users > > -Unlimited Mysql > > > > There''s no comparison really, you get quite a bit more for your money > > at Dreamhost, but I doubt their shell access means I can install Ruby > > to run Rails. > > > > -PJ > > Hi PJ, > > I''ve worked in the hosting industry, and I can confirm that generally, > you get what you pay for in hosting companies. There are basically two > hosting market segments: High-volume, low service, low-cost sites like > Dreamhost, and high-quality, high-service, high(er)-cost companies > like Textdrive (or the company that I use, bsdhosting.net). As the > posts Michael pointed out, one big difference is the hardware they > use. Do you want your business hosted on a $500 box, or a $5000 one? > Are the servers oversold? Will you be on the same server as someone > running a badly-designed, resource hog site, that brings -your- site > down along with it? Dreamhost seems to get pretty good reviews > (although you should ignore the so-called host-ranking sites-- they''re > almost always pay-for-placement-- and take any online reviews with a > grain of salt-- many of the companies use shills to write them > positive reviews), but if this is a business site, and you demand > high-availability, I HIGHLY recommend you go with a higher-end host. > If it''s a hobby site, I''m sure dreamhost would be fine. > > BTW, if they have Ruby installed, you should be able to install Rails > with just shell access, since it runs as a CGI. Make sure the support > FCGI, or your site will be very slow.Actually, TxD has had some problems with badly designed sites / runaway processes bringing down all the sites hosted on that server. Just FYI.
> > Are the servers oversold? Will you be on the same server as someone > > running a badly-designed, resource hog site, that brings -your- site > > down along with it? > > Actually, TxD has had some problems with badly designed sites / > runaway processes bringing down all the sites hosted on that server. > Just FYI.That can happen with any host. But having better servers & underselling them will certainly decrease the likelihood. That said, based on the comments people have made here, it sounds like Dreamhost is an outstanding host for the money. For the right project, I would not hesitate to give them a try.
Is it just me, or are the DreamHost Rails accounts ungodly slow ... static serving is fine, obviously, but try to submit a comment! it spins, and spins .... and spins .... and spins. And apparently they eventually go through... but i''ve never actually hung around long enough after submission to see it happen.
I haven''t seen this. My sites seem very responsive. I haven''t done much with rails yet, but what little I have done has been fast. On 6/24/05, Ryan Raaum <ryan.raaum-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Is it just me, or are the DreamHost Rails accounts ungodly slow ... > static serving is fine, obviously, but try to submit a comment! it > spins, and spins .... and spins .... and spins. And apparently they > eventually go through... but i''ve never actually hung around long > enough after submission to see it happen.
Yes, there''s definitely an issue. I haven''t had time to look into it, but my typo blog does that. The weird thing is that saving an article, viewing pages and so forth are quite quick, so I think there''s probably something that could be done about it. On 6/24/05, Ryan Raaum <ryan.raaum-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Is it just me, or are the DreamHost Rails accounts ungodly slow ... > static serving is fine, obviously, but try to submit a comment! it > spins, and spins .... and spins .... and spins. And apparently they > eventually go through... but i''ve never actually hung around long > enough after submission to see it happen. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- -- Tom Wilcoxen http://convergentarts.com http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?twilcoxen
On Jun 15, 2005, at 7:29 PM, jason lynes :: senyl.com wrote:> jason > $40 plan subscriber ($20 of which goes to rails) > >Is that actually true, that $20/month goes to Rails? That''s a lot of money to Rails! I thought it was worded more like "half of our profit" which could just as easily be zero if they run a tight ship!!! -ray
Raymond Brigleb wrote:> On Jun 15, 2005, at 7:29 PM, jason lynes :: senyl.com wrote: > >> jason >> $40 plan subscriber ($20 of which goes to rails) >> > Is that actually true, that $20/month goes to Rails? That''s a lot of > money to Rails! I thought it was worded more like "half of our profit" > which could just as easily be zero if they run a tight ship!!! >Or negative if they run a loose one :-) Justin
On 24/06/2005, at 11:33 PM, Tom Wilcoxen wrote:> Yes, there''s definitely an issue. I haven''t had time to look into it, > but my typo blog does that. The weird thing is that saving an article, > viewing pages and so forth are quite quick, so I think there''s > probably something that could be done about it. > > On 6/24/05, Ryan Raaum <ryan.raaum-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> Is it just me, or are the DreamHost Rails accounts ungodly slow ... >> static serving is fine, obviously, but try to submit a comment! it >> spins, and spins .... and spins .... and spins. And apparently they >> eventually go through... but i''ve never actually hung around long >> enough after submission to see it happen.I had the same problem on TextDrive until i turned off the comment spam-protection thingy. I cant remember the exact option off the top of my head, but its in the typo admin interface... bodhi