I''ve started to design and develop some real-world applications in Rails and I''m struggling with the condition and accessibility of the collective knowledge on rails and ruby. I''m wondering if the ''community'' would be interested in (and utilize) a vbulletin-based ruby forum with emphasis on rails. I''ve got some under-utilized colo''d servers that are on Peer1''s network. I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and usenet, but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply looking for answers. It would be great to start with some recognized personalities. If you''d be interested in something like this drop me a line and if you can pass along contact info for those who I should contact directly, even better. I''d consider just throwing up a forum but I''m hoping there is at least some tacit interest in moving from the mailing list to a forum. Thanks, Chad Smith
"Chad Smith" <csmith-haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> writes:> I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and usenet, > but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply > looking for answers.Personally, I think the community would be better served with a better archive of the mailing list that easier to search and browse. -- doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org
Chad Smith wrote:>network. I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and usenet, >but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply looking for >answers. It would be great to start with some recognized personalities. If > >If you have a good mail reader it is easy to search a mailing list. I just went to http://lists.rubyonrails.com but that just gave me an Internal Server Error, hence I''m BCC''ing the email address that is on that page. The archives are at http://list.textdrive.com/pipermail/rails/ Beside the mailing list, there is also the IRC channel. Complete logs are at http://saqataq.us/rubyonrails/ Just use the old-school grep :) (or a text editor!) A good summary of the rails community is on, http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/show/HomePage Anyway, you can create a forum, but that does not mean your questions will be answered there or better than on this mailing list or the IRC. - Adam
> Anyway, you can create a forum, but that does not mean your questions > will be answered there or better than on this mailing list or the IRC.I agree with this. I see the a vbulletin forum as a enabler - in the sense the no software, other than a browser, is needed to participate. With the bonus that the forum contents end up in google''s database. The ultimate goal is to help push rails/ruby towards a wider audience - lowering the barrier to entry so to speak. I like the wiki, but I find it awkward. Chad "Adam M." <gnuman1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote in message news:4277DE3E.9030804-Re5JQEeQqe9Ui4FbrNnSJA@public.gmane.org> Chad Smith wrote: > >>network. I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and >>usenet, >>but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply looking for >>answers. It would be great to start with some recognized personalities. >>If >> >> > If you have a good mail reader it is easy to search a mailing list. I > just went to http://lists.rubyonrails.com but that just gave me an > Internal Server Error, hence I''m BCC''ing the email address that is on > that page. The archives are at http://list.textdrive.com/pipermail/rails/ > > Beside the mailing list, there is also the IRC channel. Complete logs > are at http://saqataq.us/rubyonrails/ Just use the old-school grep :) > (or a text editor!) > > A good summary of the rails community is on, > http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/show/HomePage > > > - Adam
By better archive, would you support a forum? Or do you mean another alternative entirely? "Doug Alcorn" <doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote in message news:m264y02h4y.fsf-HEBgovpM+fezhQAXJlfnfA@public.gmane.org> "Chad Smith" <csmith-haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> writes: > >> I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and usenet, >> but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply >> looking for answers. > > Personally, I think the community would be better served with a better > archive of the mailing list that easier to search and browse. > -- > doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org
On May 3, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Chad Smith wrote:>> Anyway, you can create a forum, but that does not mean your questions >> will be answered there or better than on this mailing list or the >> IRC. > > I agree with this. I see the a vbulletin forum as a enabler - in > the sense > the no software, other than a browser, is needed to participate. > With the > bonus that the forum contents end up in google''s database. The > ultimate > goal is to help push rails/ruby towards a wider audience - lowering > the > barrier to entry so to speak. I like the wiki, but I find it awkward.There was a Ruby forum for a while, but it attracted mostly cobwebs and was eventually hacked. Nobody seemed to notice. Perhaps a Rails forum would do better. Personally, I dislike the interface and am unlikely to use it. In any case, check out rforum. Of course a Rails forum should run on Rails'' marquee forum app! Best, jeremy
How about making a Forum looking interface to the mail list archive? No need to change the method everyone''s used to, just change its face. I find gmail great for collecting the mail list info and searching through it. But it''s only usefull after accumulating some history of the mail list. It also seems terribly redundant for everyone to collect their own mail list archive. On 5/3/05, Chad Smith <csmith-haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > By better archive, would you support a forum? Or do you mean another > alternative entirely? > > "Doug Alcorn" <doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote in > message news:m264y02h4y.fsf-HEBgovpM+fezhQAXJlfnfA@public.gmane.org > > "Chad Smith" <csmith-haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> writes: > > > >> I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and usenet, > >> but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply > >> looking for answers. > > > > Personally, I think the community would be better served with a better > > archive of the mailing list that easier to search and browse. > > -- > > doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On 5/4/05, Barry Walker <barryjr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> How about making a Forum looking interface to the mail list archive? No > need to change the method everyone''s used to, just change its face.Ubuntu Linux has a mailing-list <=> forum gateway as a subcategory of their regular forum categories, perhaps this is something a Rails forum could have as well. Leon
I just noticed this exists: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rubyonrails On 5/3/05, Barry Walker <barryjr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> How about making a Forum looking interface to the mail list archive? No > need to change the method everyone''s used to, just change its face. > > I find gmail great for collecting the mail list info and searching through > it. But it''s only usefull after accumulating some history of the mail list. > > > It also seems terribly redundant for everyone to collect their own mail list > archive. > > > > On 5/3/05, Chad Smith <csmith-haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > By better archive, would you support a forum? Or do you mean another > > alternative entirely? > > > > "Doug Alcorn" <doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote in > > message news:m264y02h4y.fsf-HEBgovpM+feE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org ... > > > "Chad Smith" <csmith-haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> writes: > > > > > >> I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and usenet, > > >> but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply > > >> looking for answers. > > > > > > Personally, I think the community would be better served with a better > > > archive of the mailing list that easier to search and browse. > > > -- > > > doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >
Barry Walker wrote:> How about making a Forum looking interface to the mail list archive? No > need to change the method everyone''s used to, just change its face.RForum has support for mailing lists. Received emails are put into the forum database, and created posts are mailed to all users who have enabled this feature (or to one list adress which handles the mail distribution). Threading information is preserved. I have implemented this only two days ago, so there is no documentation yet, and not everything is commited to the repository, but if you are interested I can set it up for this mailing list.
In article <d58klu$h8d$1@sea.gmane.org>, csmith- haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org says...> I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and usenet, > but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply looking for > answers.You know gmane already provides a searchable interface to the list/newsgroup, right? -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that''s because I don''t have a http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler
Personally, I''d vote against. The Rails community is still relatively small, so it seems like having a single point for reference would probably be a better answer for the time being. Having too many support forums can actually be a bad thing, since most people will only regularly pasrticipate in one of them. You may actually hurt your goal by drawing experts away from the mailing list to your forum, dilluting the knowledge base for both in the process.ajax In my opinion, what the Rails community needs most right now is not more sources of information, but better quality information. The documentation is sorely lacking, and in some cases quite out-of-date (Ok, it''s a month old, but Rails is changing so fast that that''s alot in this case!). As you point out, it''s not always as easy to find as it could be either. I think wikis are the best thing to happen to technical documentation since the web itself, but unless the entries are actively maintained & organized, they can make things almost more difficult for newbies. So one easy project that you could tackle that would be immensely- beneficial to the community would be to pick a random wiki entry each day (or week or whenever you can) and review it. Is it well written & clear? Does it work with the newest version? Are there any obvious ommissions? Is the article linked from where it should be? If you see any problems, either fix them, or make a note of it someplace on the wiki (is there a page for "updates needed"?). A fringe benefit of this is you will probably greatly expand your ruby knowledge as you go. As the Rails community grows, a forum may become a more viable resource, but for now, I think you''d be better of focusing on the documentation. Mike On 5/3/05, Chad Smith <csmith-haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''ve started to design and develop some real-world applications in Rails > and > I''m struggling with the condition and accessibility of the collective > knowledge on rails and ruby. I''m wondering if the ''community'' would be > interested in (and utilize) a vbulletin-based ruby forum with emphasis on > rails. I''ve got some under-utilized colo''d servers that are on Peer1''s > network. I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and usenet, > but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply looking for > answers. It would be great to start with some recognized personalities. If > you''d be interested in something like this drop me a line and if you can > pass along contact info for those who I should contact directly, even > better. I''d consider just throwing up a forum but I''m hoping there is at > least some tacit interest in moving from the mailing list to a forum. > > Thanks, > Chad Smith > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Thanks for the feedback all. Its sounds most people have adapted to deal with the current channels. The google group looks promising as does RForum especially given its a ruby on rails app. Chad "Chad Smith" <csmith-haliQdllnW9Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote in message news:d58klu$h8d$1@sea.gmane.org...> I''ve started to design and develop some real-world applications in Rails > and I''m struggling with the condition and accessibility of the collective > knowledge on rails and ruby. I''m wondering if the ''community'' would be > interested in (and utilize) a vbulletin-based ruby forum with emphasis on > rails. I''ve got some under-utilized colo''d servers that are on Peer1''s > network. I know some of you old skoolers like the mailing list and > usenet, but its challenging for some to operate and search when simply > looking for answers. It would be great to start with some recognized > personalities. If you''d be interested in something like this drop me a > line and if you can pass along contact info for those who I should contact > directly, even better. I''d consider just throwing up a forum but I''m > hoping there is at least some tacit interest in moving from the mailing > list to a forum. > > Thanks, > Chad Smith
On Wed, 4 May 2005, Andreas Schwarz wrote:> Barry Walker wrote: >> How about making a Forum looking interface to the mail list archive? No >> need to change the method everyone''s used to, just change its face.+1 for an NNTP interface :) --Steve
I guess that won''t work. In a "real" forum you have Subforums and Topics. For an example of a very large (but helpful) forum, take a look at: http://forums.gentoo.org/ Using a real forum system has _many_ advantages to a mailing list, imho. (Subscribing to specific Topics, moderation, ability to change a message to correct errors, use attachments, ...) +1 for a (R)Forum! :) -- Thomas Am 04.05.2005 um 09:48 schrieb Stephen Waits:> > On Wed, 4 May 2005, Andreas Schwarz wrote: > > >> Barry Walker wrote: >> >>> How about making a Forum looking interface to the mail list >>> archive? No need to change the method everyone''s used to, just >>> change its face. >>> > > +1 for an NNTP interface :) > > --Steve > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
I''m +1 for a (R)Forum format as well. When dealing with one encompasing topic like Gentoo Linux, a forum site like Gentoo''s forums is awesome. However, when spreading one''s self between 5-20 separate topics or projects, visiting that many forum sites and remembering logins and passwords is too cumbersome. This is when mailing lists are nice because you can have one e-mail client manage all that info for you. The down side is not being able to search messages prior to joining the mailing list. If that search is needed, then back to the browser to search gmane, for example. Thomas Fuchs wrote:> I guess that won''t work. In a "real" forum you have Subforums and Topics. > For an example of a very large (but helpful) forum, take a look at: > http://forums.gentoo.org/ > > Using a real forum system has _many_ advantages to a mailing list, > imho. (Subscribing to > specific Topics, moderation, ability to change a message to correct > errors, use attachments, ...) > > +1 for a (R)Forum! :) > > -- > Thomas > > Am 04.05.2005 um 09:48 schrieb Stephen Waits: > >> >> On Wed, 4 May 2005, Andreas Schwarz wrote: >> >> >>> Barry Walker wrote: >>> >>>> How about making a Forum looking interface to the mail list >>>> archive? No need to change the method everyone''s used to, just >>>> change its face. >>>> >> >> +1 for an NNTP interface :) >> >> --Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails---------- Scanned for viruses by ClamAV
What problems do people have with the wiki? Personally, when I find something of interest, it tends to be very good and very helpful, but finding it is the problem. Instiki''s search is fairly poor - you have to be bang-on with your search terms to turn stuff up. Personally, when I learn something it took me a while to work out, I''m getting into the habit of writing a simple wiki page for it. A wiki is a much nicer place for a repository of information than a mailing list or discussion forum IMHO, as long as you can find the stuff in the first place... sam
Sam Newman wrote:>Instiki''s search is fairly poor - you have >to be bang-on with your search terms to turn stuff up. > >Sam, I''m surprized by this opinion. Are you aware that you can put regular expressions in the Instiki search field? -- Best regards, Alexey Verkhovsky Ruby Forum: http://ruby-forum.org (moderator) RForum: http://rforum.andreas-s.net (co-author) Instiki: http://instiki.org (maintainer)
Subscribing to the mailing list via a google mail account has been handy for me... too bad there''s not a way to push all the past messages sent before I subscribed to my gmail account... On 5/4/05, Alexey Verkhovsky <alex-vV7tgcE2N9Nhl2p70BpVqQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Sam Newman wrote: > > >Instiki''s search is fairly poor - you have > >to be bang-on with your search terms to turn stuff up. > > > > > Sam, > > I''m surprized by this opinion. Are you aware that you can put regular > expressions in the Instiki search field? > > -- > Best regards, > > Alexey Verkhovsky > > Ruby Forum: http://ruby-forum.org (moderator) > RForum: http://rforum.andreas-s.net (co-author) > Instiki: http://instiki.org (maintainer) > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
* Corey Lawson [2005-05-04 21:38]:> Subscribing to the mailing list via a google mail account has been > handy for me... too bad there''s not a way to push all the past > messages sent before I subscribed to my gmail account...Maybe give this a shot: http://www.marklyon.org/gmail/ -- ______________________________ toddgrimason*todd-AT-slack.net
Regex''s are nice, but try searching foar "ajax search". It doesn''t find anything, even though there is an article with both of those words in the title. To be fair, the "nothing found" message does explain that it only does phrase matching, not keyword searching, but it''s still a pretty big limitation for a documentation system. My personal issue with the Wiki is that the docs are apparently often out of date. This seems to be true of just about every bit of Rails documentation I''ve read. I''ve yet to make it through a single tutorial without running into a bug that appears to be due to architecture changes in Rails. The Wiki tutorial, with precisely one line of code, & one short html file, both copied & pasted, doesn''t work. I realize that Rails is a moving target, but this is -really- frustrating. I''m slowly banging my way forward, but it''s not fun, and Rails is advertised as fun! As I said before, though, there is an easy solution to the problem. If everyone would take one article a week & review it for clarity, completeness & accuracy with the newest version, then everything in the wiki should remain fairly current. If you''re uncomfortable writing documentation, you don''t even necessarily need to actually update the articles, just note the article and what needs to be fixed. If we can stay on top of everything, this shouldn''t be such a problem moving forward. I would love to see the community would start publishing ALL of the documentation in a Wiki. Static HTML or PDF docs are not very useful if they''re buggy, and most likley the original author won''t want to maintain it forever. But if the same document is in a Wiki, it''s trivial for any bugs to be fixed. The current Hieraki documentation has the same problem-- it can''t easily be edited. If we move everything to the Wiki, & can get as many volunteers as possible to keep everything current, I think the problems would largely go away. Mike On 5/4/05, Alexey Verkhovsky <alex-vV7tgcE2N9Nhl2p70BpVqQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Sam Newman wrote: > > >Instiki''s search is fairly poor - you have > >to be bang-on with your search terms to turn stuff up. > > > > > Sam, > > I''m surprized by this opinion. Are you aware that you can put regular > expressions in the Instiki search field? > > -- > Best regards, > > Alexey Verkhovsky > > Ruby Forum: http://ruby-forum.org (moderator) > RForum: http://rforum.andreas-s.net (co-author) > Instiki: http://instiki.org (maintainer) > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
That looks cool. DOes anyone have a copy of the mailing list archives in either mBox or MailDir format they coukld send me? I''d love to have a full archive in my beloved gmail. Thanks! Mike On 5/4/05, Todd Grimason <todd-cwT7Wi5Y1r1eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > * Corey Lawson [2005-05-04 21:38]: > > Subscribing to the mailing list via a google mail account has been > > handy for me... too bad there''s not a way to push all the past > > messages sent before I subscribed to my gmail account... > > Maybe give this a shot: > > http://www.marklyon.org/gmail/ > > -- > > ______________________________ > toddgrimason*todd-AT-slack.net <http://todd-AT-slack.net> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On 5 May 2005, at 04:07, Mike Payson wrote:> As I said before, though, there is an easy solution to the problem. > If everyone would take one article a week & review it for clarity, > completeness & accuracy with the newest version, then everything in > the wiki should remain fairly current. If you''re uncomfortable > writing documentation, you don''t even necessarily need to actually > update the articles, just note the article and what needs to be > fixed. If we can stay on top of everything, this shouldn''t be such > a problem moving forward.The WordPress community has a tradition of "bug days" - everyone gets together on IRC on a specific day to work together to clean up the list of outstanding bugs. I think they stole the idea from the Mozilla project. At any rate, the same thing would almost certainly work for cleaning up the Ruby on Rails documentation and wiki. Set a date, get a bunch of people together in #railsdocs or somewhere and co-ordinate a big sweep of the whole lot. Cheers, Simon Willison http://simon.incutio.com/
> The WordPress community has a tradition of "bug days" - everyone > gets together on IRC on a specific day to work together to clean up > the list of outstanding bugs. I think they stole the idea from the > Mozilla project. At any rate, the same thing would almost certainly > work for cleaning up the Ruby on Rails documentation and wiki. Set > a date, get a bunch of people together in #railsdocs or somewhere > and co-ordinate a big sweep of the whole lot. >Fantastic idea! When would be best for everyone? A weekday evening at about 9:00 pm EST? I think that''d be 6:00 pm PST. Apologies to those not in the Americas--it''s hard to coordinate a time that isn''t crazy-late for at least someone in the world :) Duane Johnson (canadaduane)
Mike Payson wrote:> Regex''s are nice, but try searching foar "ajax search".Search for (ajax.*search|search.*ajax) turns out three pages - precisely the pages that you would want it to turn out. As for the titles - yeah, it''s been fixed in Instiki 0.10 version. rubyonrails.com should be upgrading to this version soon. -- Best regards, Alexey Verkhovsky Ruby Forum: http://ruby-forum.org (moderator) RForum: http://rforum.andreas-s.net (co-author) Instiki: http://instiki.org (maintainer)
Alexey, On 5.5.2005, at 08:48, Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:> Mike Payson wrote: > >> Regex''s are nice, but try searching foar "ajax search". > > Search for (ajax.*search|search.*ajax) turns out three pages - > precisely the pages that you would want it to turn out. > As for the titles - yeah, it''s been fixed in Instiki 0.10 version. > rubyonrails.com should be upgrading to this version soon.I''ll have to side with Mike here. Regexps are really great, but not something newcomers will or can use by default. I really think keyword search should be the default option as it is what virtually all search engines do. "Don''t make me think". If I want to search for an exact phrase, I''ll put the words inside quotes. Like said, regexp search is a nice touch, but only as an additional sugar coating. The current behavior has bitten me more than once and as it looks like a quick search box I think it should behave as one. //jarkko> > -- > Best regards, > > Alexey Verkhovsky > > Ruby Forum: http://ruby-forum.org (moderator) > RForum: http://rforum.andreas-s.net (co-author) > Instiki: http://instiki.org (maintainer) > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Jarkko Laine http://jlaine.net http://odesign.fi _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Even those who do know regexp''s (and I do) don''t automatically use them for searches anyway - most people are used to the search features provided by google, yahoo et al which don''t require the use of regexps to get some fuzzyness in the matching. sam On 5/5/05, Jarkko Laine <jarkko-k1O+Gnc6WpmsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Alexey, > > On 5.5.2005, at 08:48, Alexey Verkhovsky wrote: > > > Mike Payson wrote: > > > >> Regex''s are nice, but try searching foar "ajax search". > > > > Search for (ajax.*search|search.*ajax) turns out three pages - > > precisely the pages that you would want it to turn out. > > As for the titles - yeah, it''s been fixed in Instiki 0.10 version. > > rubyonrails.com should be upgrading to this version soon. > > I''ll have to side with Mike here. Regexps are really great, but not > something newcomers will or can use by default. I really think keyword > search should be the default option as it is what virtually all search > engines do. "Don''t make me think". If I want to search for an exact > phrase, I''ll put the words inside quotes. Like said, regexp search is a > nice touch, but only as an additional sugar coating. The current > behavior has bitten me more than once and as it looks like a quick > search box I think it should behave as one. > > //jarkko > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > > Alexey Verkhovsky > > > > Ruby Forum: http://ruby-forum.org (moderator) > > RForum: http://rforum.andreas-s.net (co-author) > > Instiki: http://instiki.org (maintainer) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > -- > Jarkko Laine > http://jlaine.net > http://odesign.fi > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > >-- sam http://www.magpiebrain.com/
Sam Newman wrote:>most people are used to the search features >provided by google, yahoo et al >No, I understand that regexes are a non-intuitive feature in the quick search window, I was just poiting out that they are rather usable (for the patrons of this maillist, anyway). Is there some Ruby code somewhere that implements a keyword search? -- Best regards, Alexey Verkhovsky Ruby Forum: http://ruby-forum.org (moderator) RForum: http://rforum.andreas-s.net (co-author) Instiki: http://instiki.org (maintainer)
I wonder whether it would be relatively easy to convert the gzipped files you can download from http://list.textdrive.com/pipermail/rails/ to mbox format... On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 08:15:17PM -0700, Mike Payson wrote:> That looks cool. DOes anyone have a copy of the mailing list archives in > either mBox or MailDir format they coukld send me? I''d love to have a full > archive in my beloved gmail. > > Thanks! > Mike > > On 5/4/05, Todd Grimason <todd-cwT7Wi5Y1r1eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > * Corey Lawson [2005-05-04 21:38]: > > Subscribing to the mailing list via a google mail account has been > > handy for me... too bad there''s not a way to push all the past > > messages sent before I subscribed to my gmail account... > > Maybe give this a shot: > > http://www.marklyon.org/gmail/ > > -- > > ______________________________ > toddgrimason*todd-AT-slack.net > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails> _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-- Juergen Fiedler JID juergen-X2qy0Jsl5fe6LbIFqVFBZV6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org GPG Key ID B06D4779 _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I''ve started working on a GreaseMonkey script to add an "Annotate" tag next to each method in the RoR API docs. The annotate tag gets the module/class name and method name and redirects to my internal wiki where I can add notes, code samples where i''ve used it etc. Would this concept work to have the wiki publicly accessible? steve.
Regexp are great and powerful, but far from the Principle of Least Surprise. I wonder if you could do some simple conversion of the search box input to regexp. For example: ''word1 word2'' = ''(word1|word2)'' ''"word1 word2"'' = ''word1.*word2'' ''word1 AND word2'' = ''[word1,word2]'' Just thinking out loud, for what it''s worth. Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:> Sam Newman wrote: > >> most people are used to the search features >> provided by google, yahoo et al > > No, I understand that regexes are a non-intuitive feature in the quick > search window, I was just poiting out that they are rather usable (for > the patrons of this maillist, anyway). > Is there some Ruby code somewhere that implements a keyword search? >---------- Scanned for viruses by ClamAV
That''s a cool idea! GreaseMonkey is a fertile ground, waiting for more great ideas like this. Steve Clarke wrote:> I''ve started working on a GreaseMonkey script to add an "Annotate" tag > next to each method in the RoR API docs. The annotate tag gets the > module/class name and method name and redirects to my internal wiki > where I can add notes, code samples where i''ve used it etc. > > Would this concept work to have the wiki publicly accessible? > > steve. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails---------- Scanned for viruses by ClamAV
Gentoo Linux and Arch Linux do them on Saturdays, I think. I believe it''s 24 hours, from midnight GMT. Duane Johnson wrote:>> The WordPress community has a tradition of "bug days" - everyone gets >> together on IRC on a specific day to work together to clean up the >> list of outstanding bugs. I think they stole the idea from the >> Mozilla project. At any rate, the same thing would almost certainly >> work for cleaning up the Ruby on Rails documentation and wiki. Set a >> date, get a bunch of people together in #railsdocs or somewhere and >> co-ordinate a big sweep of the whole lot. >> > Fantastic idea! When would be best for everyone? A weekday evening at > about 9:00 pm EST? I think that''d be 6:00 pm PST. Apologies to those > not in the Americas--it''s hard to coordinate a time that isn''t > crazy-late for at least someone in the world :) > > Duane Johnson > (canadaduane) > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails---------- Scanned for viruses by ClamAV
Reading my own post I see those regexp won''t work, but I hope you get the idea anyway. (which way to Starbucks?) Kevin Williams wrote:> Regexp are great and powerful, but far from the Principle of Least > Surprise. I wonder if you could do some simple conversion of the search > box input to regexp. For example: > > ''word1 word2'' = ''(word1|word2)'' > ''"word1 word2"'' = ''word1.*word2'' > ''word1 AND word2'' = ''[word1,word2]'' > > Just thinking out loud, for what it''s worth. > > > Alexey Verkhovsky wrote: > >> Sam Newman wrote: >> >>> most people are used to the search features >>> provided by google, yahoo et al >> >> >> No, I understand that regexes are a non-intuitive feature in the quick >> search window, I was just poiting out that they are rather usable (for >> the patrons of this maillist, anyway). >> Is there some Ruby code somewhere that implements a keyword search? >> > > ---------- > Scanned for viruses by ClamAV > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails---------- Scanned for viruses by ClamAV
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:> Mike Payson wrote: > >> Regex''s are nice, but try searching foar "ajax search". > > Search for (ajax.*search|search.*ajax) turns out three pages - precisely > the pages that you would want it to turn out. > As for the titles - yeah, it''s been fixed in Instiki 0.10 version. > rubyonrails.com should be upgrading to this version soon. >Um, yeah. That''s real obvious.... Sarcasm aside, your search still didn''t quite do a keyword search. What if you really wanted: (ajax.*search|search.*ajax|ajax|search) in that order of matching? It could use a little work. - -- David Morton Maia Mailguard server side anti-spam/anti-virus solution: http://www.maiamailguard.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCemqOSIxC85HZHLMRAtrxAKCHKuxHRBsImFUmtLmj1pE7wo7bDwCeIrRz YkPv0HYWWep/vwF9hzwHrls=/nlh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, 4 May 2005, Duane Johnson wrote:> Fantastic idea! When would be best for everyone? A weekday evening at > about 9:00 pm EST? I think that''d be 6:00 pm PST. Apologies to those > not in the Americas--it''s hard to coordinate a time that isn''t > crazy-late for at least someone in the world :)I suspect you intended to express your times in EDT and PDT. --Steve
Hmm, maybe I''m unfamiliar with US standards--is it not "Eastern Standard Time" and "Pacific Standard Time" in America? Duane Johnson (canadaduane)>> Fantastic idea! When would be best for everyone? A weekday >> evening at about 9:00 pm EST? I think that''d be 6:00 pm PST. >> Apologies to those not in the Americas--it''s hard to coordinate a >> time that isn''t crazy-late for at least someone in the world :) >> > > I suspect you intended to express your times in EDT and PDT. > > --Steve > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Duane Johnson wrote:> Hmm, maybe I''m unfamiliar with US standards--is it not "Eastern Standard > Time" and "Pacific Standard Time" in America?It is.. just not right now. For about half of the year, all of the US is on Standard time. For the other half (summer), *most* of the US observes Daylight time (note that some [IMO, smart!] states choose not to observe this). Anyway.. right now *most* of the US is on Daylight time, making our timezones look something like EDT, CDT, MST, PST, etc. However, states like Arizona and Alaska choose not to observe this, and stay on Standard all year - so AZ is still on MST right now. PDT == MST MDT == CST CDT == EST ... --Steve
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Stephen Waits wrote:> look something like EDT, CDT, MST, PST, etc. However, states like ArizonaSorry, typo there.. make that "EDT, CDT, MDT, PDT, etc." --Steve
Stephen Waits wrote:> > On Thu, 5 May 2005, Duane Johnson wrote: > >> Hmm, maybe I''m unfamiliar with US standards--is it not "Eastern >> Standard Time" and "Pacific Standard Time" in America? > > > It is.. just not right now. > > For about half of the year, all of the US is on Standard time. For > the other half (summer), *most* of the US observes Daylight time (note > that some [IMO, smart!] states choose not to observe this).<ot post> Why? I think the best way to set time is such that the sunset always occurs at about 10:00pm. Most of the cost of electricity occurs in the evening and consumption would be reduced greatly if the sunset occurred at a time when most people go to sleep (I say most!). There would be no huge swings in time. Even on the 50 degrees latitude the system would be ok. Some days would be shorter by 5 minutes. Others would be longer. I think the only obstacle to this would be cultural as it is not technological anymore (well, it was 20 years ago, but not anymore) Benefits for this are everywhere + people go to sleep as "nature intended" + huge power savings due to decreased need for lighting </ot post> - Adam PS. You should probably discuss any questions off-list.