Dear Boris,
Yes, top-down, no problem. Many thanks, but in your code did you not forget
"teacher" ? As a reminder teacher has to be nested with classes. I
mean the 50 pupils belonging to C1 must be with (teacher 1) T1, the 50 pupils
belonging to C2 with T2, the 50 pupils belonging to C3 with T3 and so on.
Best,
Le samedi 18 mai 2019 ? 16:52:48 UTC+2, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at
utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
Can you build your data top-down?
schools <- paste("s", 1:6, sep="")
classes <- character()
for (school in schools) {
? classes <- c(classes, paste(school, paste("c", 1:5,
sep=""), sep = "."))
}
pupils <- character()
for (class in classes) {
? pupils <- c(pupils, paste(class, paste("p", 1:10,
sep=""), sep = "."))
}
B.
> On 2019-05-18, at 09:57, varin sacha via R-help <r-help at
r-project.org> wrote:
>
> Dear R-Experts,
>
> In a data simulation, I would like a balanced distribution with a nested
structure for classroom and teacher (not for school). I mean 50 pupils belonging
to C1, 50 other pupils belonging to C2, 50 other pupils belonging to C3 and so
on. Then I want the 50 pupils belonging to C1 with T1, the 50 pupils belonging
to C2 with T2, the 50 pupils belonging to C3 with T3 and so on. The school don?t
have to be nested, I just want a balanced distribution, I mean 60 pupils in S1,
60 other pupils in S2 and so on.
> Here below the reproducible example.
> Many thanks for your help.
>
> ##############
> set.seed(123)?
> # G?n?ration al?atoire des colonnes
> pupils<-1:300?
>
classroom<-sample(c("C1","C2","C3","C4","C5","C6"),300,replace=T)?
teacher<-sample(c("T1","T2","T3","T4","T5","T6"),300,replace=T)?
school<-sample(c("S1","S2","S3","S4","S5"),300,replace=T)?
?
> ##############
>
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On 5/18/2019 1:03 PM, varin sacha via R-help wrote:> Dear Boris, > > Yes, top-down, no problem. Many thanks, but in your code did you not forget "teacher" ? As a reminder teacher has to be nested with classes. I mean the 50 pupils belonging to C1 must be with (teacher 1) T1, the 50 pupils belonging to C2 with T2, the 50 pupils belonging to C3 with T3 and so on. > > Best, > > > Le samedi 18 mai 2019 ? 16:52:48 UTC+2, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca> a ?crit : > > ><<<snip>>> Given your design, you cannot distinguish between class and teacher. They are one and the same thing.? It doesn't make sense to include both in your model. Dan -- Daniel Nordlund Port Townsend, WA USA
Dear varin sacha, I think it will help us help you, if you give a clearer description of what exactly you want. I assume the situation is that you know what a data structure you want, but do not know how to conveniently create such structure. And that is where others can help you. So, please, describe the wanted data structure more thoroughly, ideally with example. Thanks, Lei On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:04 PM varin sacha via R-help <r-help at r-project.org> wrote:> > Dear Boris, > > Yes, top-down, no problem. Many thanks, but in your code did you not forget "teacher" ? As a reminder teacher has to be nested with classes. I mean the 50 pupils belonging to C1 must be with (teacher 1) T1, the 50 pupils belonging to C2 with T2, the 50 pupils belonging to C3 with T3 and so on. > > Best, > > > Le samedi 18 mai 2019 ? 16:52:48 UTC+2, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca> a ?crit : > > > > > > Can you build your data top-down? > > > > schools <- paste("s", 1:6, sep="") > > classes <- character() > for (school in schools) { > classes <- c(classes, paste(school, paste("c", 1:5, sep=""), sep = ".")) > } > > pupils <- character() > for (class in classes) { > pupils <- c(pupils, paste(class, paste("p", 1:10, sep=""), sep = ".")) > } > > > > B. > > > > > On 2019-05-18, at 09:57, varin sacha via R-help <r-help at r-project.org> wrote: > > > > Dear R-Experts, > > > > In a data simulation, I would like a balanced distribution with a nested structure for classroom and teacher (not for school). I mean 50 pupils belonging to C1, 50 other pupils belonging to C2, 50 other pupils belonging to C3 and so on. Then I want the 50 pupils belonging to C1 with T1, the 50 pupils belonging to C2 with T2, the 50 pupils belonging to C3 with T3 and so on. The school don?t have to be nested, I just want a balanced distribution, I mean 60 pupils in S1, 60 other pupils in S2 and so on. > > Here below the reproducible example. > > Many thanks for your help. > > > > ############## > > set.seed(123) > > # G?n?ration al?atoire des colonnes > > pupils<-1:300 > > classroom<-sample(c("C1","C2","C3","C4","C5","C6"),300,replace=T) teacher<-sample(c("T1","T2","T3","T4","T5","T6"),300,replace=T) school<-sample(c("S1","S2","S3","S4","S5"),300,replace=T) > > > ############## > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Many thanks to all of you for your responses. So, I will try to be clearer with a larger example. Te end of my mail is the more important to understand what I am trying to do. I am trying to simulate data to fit a linear mixed model (nested not crossed). More precisely, I would love to get at the end of the process, a table (.txt) with columns and rows. Column 1 and Rows will be the 2000 pupils and the columns the different variables : Column 2 = classes ; Column 3 = teachers, Column 4 = schools ; Column 5 = gender (boy or girl) ; Column 6 = mark in Frecnh Pupils are nested? in classes, classes are nested in schools. The teacher are part of the process. I want to simulate a dataset with n=2000 pupils, 100 classes, 50 teachers and 10 schools. - Pupils n?1 to pupils n?2000 (p1, p2, p3, p4, ..., p2000) - Classes n?1 to classes n?100 (c1, c2, c3, c4,..., c100) - Teachers n?1 to teacher n?50 ( t1, t2, t3, t4, ..., t50) - Schools n?1 to chool n?10 (s1, s2, s3, s4, ..., s10) The nested structure is as followed : -- School 1 with teacher 1 to teacher 5 (t1, t2, t3, t4 and t5) with classes 1 to classes 10 (c1, c2, c3, c4, c5, c6, c7, c8,c9,c10), pupils n?1 to pupils n?200 (p1, p2, p3, p4,..., p200). -- School 2 with teacher 6 to teacher 10, with classes 11 to classes 20, pupils n?201 to pupils n?400 -- and so on The table (.txt) I would love to get at the end is the following : ??????? Class????Teacher??? School??? gender??? Mark 1?????? c1??????? t1??????????????? s1??????????? boy ?????? 5 2?????? c1????????t1????????????????s1????????????boy????????5.5 3?????? c1????????t1????????????????s1????????????girl????????4.5 4?????? c1????????t1????????????????s1????????????girl????????6 5?????? c1????????t1????????????????s1????????????boy?????? 3.5 6?????? ...??????? ....??????????????? ....??????????? .....??????? ..... ????????????? The first 20 rows with c1, with t1, with s1, gender (randomly slected) and mark (andomly selected) from 1 to 6 The rows 21 to 40 with c2 with t1 with s1 The rows 41 to 60 with c3 with t2 with s1 The rows 61 to 80 with c4 with t2 with s1 The rows 81 to 100 with c5 with t3 with s1 The rows 101 to 120 with c6 with t3 with s1 The rows 121 to 140 with c7 with t4 with s1 The rows 141 to 160 with c8 with t4 with s1 The rows 161 to 180 with c9 with t5 with s1 The rows 181 to 200 with c10 with t5 with s1 The rows 201 to 220 with c11 with t6 with s2 The rows 221 to 240 with c12 with t6 with s2 And so on... Is it possible to do that ? Or am I dreaming ? Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 ? 10:45:43 UTC+2, Linus Chen <linus.l.chen at gmail.com> a ?crit : Dear varin sacha, I think it will help us help you, if you give a clearer description of what exactly you want. I assume the situation is that you know what a data structure you want, but do not know how to conveniently create such structure. And that is where others can help you. So, please, describe the wanted data structure more thoroughly, ideally with example. Thanks, Lei On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:04 PM varin sacha via R-help <r-help at r-project.org> wrote:> > Dear Boris, > > Yes, top-down, no problem. Many thanks, but in your code did you not forget "teacher" ? As a reminder teacher has to be nested with classes. I mean the 50 pupils belonging to C1 must be with (teacher 1) T1, the 50 pupils belonging to C2 with T2, the 50 pupils belonging to C3 with T3 and so on. > > Best, > > > Le samedi 18 mai 2019 ? 16:52:48 UTC+2, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca> a ?crit : > > > > > > Can you build your data top-down? > > > > schools <- paste("s", 1:6, sep="") > > classes <- character() > for (school in schools) { >? classes <- c(classes, paste(school, paste("c", 1:5, sep=""), sep = ".")) > } > > pupils <- character() > for (class in classes) { >? pupils <- c(pupils, paste(class, paste("p", 1:10, sep=""), sep = ".")) > } > > > > B. > > > > > On 2019-05-18, at 09:57, varin sacha via R-help <r-help at r-project.org> wrote: > > > > Dear R-Experts, > > > > In a data simulation, I would like a balanced distribution with a nested structure for classroom and teacher (not for school). I mean 50 pupils belonging to C1, 50 other pupils belonging to C2, 50 other pupils belonging to C3 and so on. Then I want the 50 pupils belonging to C1 with T1, the 50 pupils belonging to C2 with T2, the 50 pupils belonging to C3 with T3 and so on. The school don?t have to be nested, I just want a balanced distribution, I mean 60 pupils in S1, 60 other pupils in S2 and so on. > > Here below the reproducible example. > > Many thanks for your help. > > > > ############## > > set.seed(123) > > # G?n?ration al?atoire des colonnes > > pupils<-1:300 > > classroom<-sample(c("C1","C2","C3","C4","C5","C6"),300,replace=T)? teacher<-sample(c("T1","T2","T3","T4","T5","T6"),300,replace=T)? school<-sample(c("S1","S2","S3","S4","S5"),300,replace=T) > > > ############## > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.> > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.