I disagree that this message belongs at the top... That is rare in bulk mail I receive, and seems unnecessarily intrusive. Addition of the word "Unsubscribe" to clarify the function of the link seems in line with current use. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Newmiller The ..... ..... Go Live... DCN:<jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/Batteries O.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. On December 1, 2014 6:15:47 AM PST, Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:>Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, >both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless >subscribers). > >>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> >>>>>> on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes: > >> Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it >at the top then, before the R-message? > > Something like: > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see. >It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where >civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and >e-mails were electronic letters.. and that age has gone... > >Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons? >and keep the current footer? > >Martin > >> And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has >pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, >putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and >especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. > >> As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume >of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment >enough for the original post:-) > > > Best wishes, > > Ranjan > >______________________________________________ >R-help at r-project.org mailing list >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Can the Gods of the mailing list please end this long email thread? All that needs to be done is to add an unsubscribe link to messages sent by the server. If this is technically feasible, please do it. If it is not let us know so we can get on to other issues! John John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D. Professor of Medicine Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology and Geriatric Medicine Baltimore VA Medical Center 10 North Greene Street GRECC (BT/18/GR) Baltimore, MD 21201-1524 (Phone) 410-605-7119 (Fax) 410-605-7913 (Please call phone number above prior to faxing)>>> Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> 12/01/14 9:31 AM >>>I disagree that this message belongs at the top... That is rare in bulk mail I receive, and seems unnecessarily intrusive. Addition of the word "Unsubscribe" to clarify the function of the link seems in line with current use. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Newmiller The ..... ..... Go Live... DCN:<jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/Batteries O.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. On December 1, 2014 6:15:47 AM PST, Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:>Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, >both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless >subscribers). > >>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> >>>>>> on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes: > >> Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it >at the top then, before the R-message? > > Something like: > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see. >It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where >civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and >e-mails were electronic letters.. and that age has gone... > >Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons? >and keep the current footer? > >Martin > >> And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has >pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, >putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and >especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. > >> As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume >of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment >enough for the original post:-) > > > Best wishes, > > Ranjan > >______________________________________________ >R-help at r-project.org mailing list >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.______________________________________________ R-help at r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. Confidentiality Statement: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.
Well, we can start with the footer and then see how many "unsubscribe" messages continue to come R-help's way. Then, if it is not making an appreciable difference, we can look into putting it in the top. Btw, I have seen mailing list e-mails elsewhere with an unsubscribe line at the top. I don't see it as a big deal. Best wishes, Ranjan On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 06:31:14 -0800 Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:> I disagree that this message belongs at the top... That is rare in bulk mail I receive, and seems unnecessarily intrusive. Addition of the word "Unsubscribe" to clarify the function of the link seems in line with current use. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jeff Newmiller The ..... ..... Go Live... > DCN:<jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... > Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing > Research Engineer (Solar/Batteries O.O#. #.O#. with > /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. > > On December 1, 2014 6:15:47 AM PST, Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote: > >Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, > >both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless > >subscribers). > > > >>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> > >>>>>> on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes: > > > >> Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it > >at the top then, before the R-message? > > > Something like: > > > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see > >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > > >Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see. > >It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where > >civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and > >e-mails were electronic letters.. and that age has gone... > > > >Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons? > >and keep the current footer? > > > >Martin > > > >> And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has > >pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, > >putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and > >especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. > > > >> As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume > >of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment > >enough for the original post:-) > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Ranjan > > > >______________________________________________ > >R-help at r-project.org mailing list > >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >PLEASE do read the posting guide > >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >-- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. ____________________________________________________________ Receive Notifications of Incoming Messages Easily monitor multiple email accounts & access them with a click. Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out!
>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> >>>>> on Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:47:02 -0600 writes:> Well, we can start with the footer and then see how many "unsubscribe" messages continue to come R-help's way. Then, if it is not making an appreciable difference, we can look into putting it in the top. > Btw, I have seen mailing list e-mails elsewhere with an unsubscribe line at the top. I don't see it as a big deal. > Best wishes, > Ranjan Ok,... I think I --- and 99.9% of all other readers have had enough input about this: Decision: - No header - We replace in the footer the first of the 4 text lines from R-help at r-project.org mailing list to R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich (and R core team). > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 06:31:14 -0800 Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote: >> I disagree that this message belongs at the top... That is rare in bulk mail I receive, and seems unnecessarily intrusive. Addition of the word "Unsubscribe" to clarify the function of the link seems in line with current use. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Jeff Newmiller The ..... ..... Go Live... >> DCN:<jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... >> Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing >> Research Engineer (Solar/Batteries O.O#. #.O#. with >> /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> On December 1, 2014 6:15:47 AM PST, Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote: >> >Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, >> >both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless >> >subscribers). >> > >> >>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> >> >>>>>> on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes: >> > >> >> Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it >> >at the top then, before the R-message? >> > > Something like: >> > >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see >> >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> > >> >Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see. >> >It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where >> >civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and >> >e-mails were electronic letters.. and that age has gone... >> > >> >Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons? >> >and keep the current footer? >> > >> >Martin >> > >> >> And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has >> >pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, >> >putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and >> >especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. >> > >> >> As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume >> >of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment >> >enough for the original post:-) >> > >> > > Best wishes, >> > > Ranjan >> > >> >______________________________________________ >> >R-help at r-project.org mailing list >> >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> >PLEASE do read the posting guide >> >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> > -- > Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. > ____________________________________________________________ > Receive Notifications of Incoming Messages > Easily monitor multiple email accounts & access them with a click. > Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.