R devel - May 2024 - [R] [R-sig-ME] lmer error: number of observations <= number of random effects

I am running a multilevel growth curve model to examine predictors of
social anhedonia (SA) trajectory through ages 12, 15 and 18. SA is a
continuous numeric variable. The age variable (Index1) has been coded as 0
for age 12, 1 for age 15 and 2 for age 18. I am currently using a time
varying predictor, stress (LSI), which was measured at ages 12, 15 and 18,
to examine whether trajectory/variation in LSI predicts difference in SA
trajectory. LSI is a continuous numeric variable and was grand-mean
centered before using in the models. The data has been converted to long
format with SA in 1 column, LSI in the other, ID in another, and age in
another column. I used the code below to run my model using lmer. However,
I get the following error. Please let me know how I can solve this error.
Please note that I have 50% missing data in SA at age 12.
modelLSI_maineff_RE <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1 + Index1+LSI |ID), data
LSIDATA, control = lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"), REML=TRUE)
summary(modelLSI_maineff_RE)
Error: number of observations (=1080) <= number of random effects (=1479)
for term (1 + Index1 + LSI | ID); the random-effects parameters and the
residual variance (or scale parameter) are probably unidentifiable

I did test the within-person variance for the LSI variable and the
within-person variance is significant from the Greenhouse-Geisser,
Hyunh-Feidt tests.

I also tried control = lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE = "ignore") which
gave
me the following output. modelLSI_maineff_RE <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1 +
Index1+LSI |ID), data = LSIDATA, control = lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE
"ignore", optimizer ="bobyqa", check.conv.singular =
.makeCC(action "ignore", tol = 1e-4)), REML=TRUE)

summary(modelLSI_maineff_RE)
Linear mixed model fit by REML. t-tests use Satterthwaite's method
['lmerModLmerTest']
Formula: SA ~ Index1 * LSI + (1 + Index1 + LSI | ID)
Data: LSIDATA
Control: lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE = "ignore", optimizer =
"bobyqa",
check.conv.singular = .makeCC(action = "ignore", tol = 1e-04))

REML criterion at convergence: 7299.6

Scaled residuals:
Min 1Q Median 3Q Max
-2.7289 -0.4832 -0.1449 0.3604 4.5715

Random effects:
Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. Corr
ID (Intercept) 30.2919 5.5038
Index1 2.4765 1.5737 -0.15
LSI 0.1669 0.4085 -0.23 0.70
Residual 24.1793 4.9172
Number of obs: 1080, groups: ID, 493

Fixed effects:
Estimate Std. Error df t value Pr(>|t|)
(Intercept) 24.68016 0.39722 313.43436 62.133 < 2e-16 ***
Index1 0.98495 0.23626 362.75018 4.169 3.83e-05 ***
LSI -0.05197 0.06226 273.85575 -0.835 0.4046
Index1:LSI 0.09797 0.04506 426.01185 2.174 0.0302 *
Signif. codes: 0 ?? 0.001 ?? 0.01 ?? 0.05 ?.? 0.1 ? ? 1

Correlation of Fixed Effects:
(Intr) Index1 LSI
Index1 -0.645
LSI -0.032 0.057
Index1:LSI 0.015 0.037 -0.695

I am a little vary of the output still as the error states that I have
equal observations as the number of random effects (i.e., 3 observations
per ID and 3 random effects). Hence, I am wondering whether I can simplify
the model as either of the below models and choose the one with the
best-fit statistics:

 modelLSI2 <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1 |ID)+ (Index1+LSI -1|ID),data
LSIDATA, control = lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"), REML=TRUE) *OR*

modelLSI3 <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1+LSI |ID),data = LSIDATA, control
lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"), REML=TRUE) [image: example of
dataset]
<https://i.sstatic.net/JcRKS2C9.png>

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Dear Srinidhi,

You are trying to fit 1 random intercept and 2 random slopes per
individual, while you have at most 3 observations per individual. You
simply don't have enough data to fit the random slopes. Reduce the random
part to (1|ID).

Best regards,

Thierry

ir. Thierry Onkelinx
Statisticus / Statistician

Vlaamse Overheid / Government of Flanders
INSTITUUT VOOR NATUUR- EN BOSONDERZOEK / RESEARCH INSTITUTE FOR NATURE AND
FOREST
Team Biometrie & Kwaliteitszorg / Team Biometrics & Quality Assurance
thierry.onkelinx at inbo.be
Havenlaan 88 bus 73, 1000 Brussel
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Op ma 6 mei 2024 om 01:59 schreef Srinidhi Jayakumar via R-sig-mixed-models
<r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org>:
> I am running a multilevel growth curve model to examine predictors of
> social anhedonia (SA) trajectory through ages 12, 15 and 18. SA is a
> continuous numeric variable. The age variable (Index1) has been coded as 0
> for age 12, 1 for age 15 and 2 for age 18. I am currently using a time
> varying predictor, stress (LSI), which was measured at ages 12, 15 and 18,
> to examine whether trajectory/variation in LSI predicts difference in SA
> trajectory. LSI is a continuous numeric variable and was grand-mean
> centered before using in the models. The data has been converted to long
> format with SA in 1 column, LSI in the other, ID in another, and age in
> another column. I used the code below to run my model using lmer. However,
> I get the following error. Please let me know how I can solve this error.
> Please note that I have 50% missing data in SA at age 12.
> modelLSI_maineff_RE <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1 + Index1+LSI |ID), data
> LSIDATA, control = lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"), REML=TRUE)
> summary(modelLSI_maineff_RE)
> Error: number of observations (=1080) <= number of random effects
(=1479)
> for term (1 + Index1 + LSI | ID); the random-effects parameters and the
> residual variance (or scale parameter) are probably unidentifiable
>
> I did test the within-person variance for the LSI variable and the
> within-person variance is significant from the Greenhouse-Geisser,
> Hyunh-Feidt tests.
>
> I also tried control = lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE = "ignore")
which gave
> me the following output. modelLSI_maineff_RE <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+
(1 +
> Index1+LSI |ID), data = LSIDATA, control = lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE
> "ignore", optimizer ="bobyqa", check.conv.singular =
.makeCC(action > "ignore", tol = 1e-4)), REML=TRUE)
>
> summary(modelLSI_maineff_RE)
> Linear mixed model fit by REML. t-tests use Satterthwaite's method
> ['lmerModLmerTest']
> Formula: SA ~ Index1 * LSI + (1 + Index1 + LSI | ID)
> Data: LSIDATA
> Control: lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE = "ignore", optimizer =
"bobyqa",
> check.conv.singular = .makeCC(action = "ignore", tol = 1e-04))
>
> REML criterion at convergence: 7299.6
>
> Scaled residuals:
> Min 1Q Median 3Q Max
> -2.7289 -0.4832 -0.1449 0.3604 4.5715
>
> Random effects:
> Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. Corr
> ID (Intercept) 30.2919 5.5038
> Index1 2.4765 1.5737 -0.15
> LSI 0.1669 0.4085 -0.23 0.70
> Residual 24.1793 4.9172
> Number of obs: 1080, groups: ID, 493
>
> Fixed effects:
> Estimate Std. Error df t value Pr(>|t|)
> (Intercept) 24.68016 0.39722 313.43436 62.133 < 2e-16 ***
> Index1 0.98495 0.23626 362.75018 4.169 3.83e-05 ***
> LSI -0.05197 0.06226 273.85575 -0.835 0.4046
> Index1:LSI 0.09797 0.04506 426.01185 2.174 0.0302 *
> Signif. codes: 0 ?? 0.001 ?? 0.01 ?? 0.05 ?.? 0.1 ? ? 1
>
> Correlation of Fixed Effects:
> (Intr) Index1 LSI
> Index1 -0.645
> LSI -0.032 0.057
> Index1:LSI 0.015 0.037 -0.695
>
> I am a little vary of the output still as the error states that I have
> equal observations as the number of random effects (i.e., 3 observations
> per ID and 3 random effects). Hence, I am wondering whether I can simplify
> the model as either of the below models and choose the one with the
> best-fit statistics:
>
>  modelLSI2 <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1 |ID)+ (Index1+LSI -1|ID),data
> LSIDATA, control = lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"), REML=TRUE)
*OR*
>
> modelLSI3 <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1+LSI |ID),data = LSIDATA, control
> lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"), REML=TRUE) [image: example of
dataset]
> <https://i.sstatic.net/JcRKS2C9.png>
>
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See if this paper may help If it helps reducing the model when you have few
observations. the (1|ID) may increase the type 1 error.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/25152459231214454
<https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/25152459231214454>

Best
> On 6 May 2024, at 07:45, Thierry Onkelinx via R-sig-mixed-models
<r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Srinidhi,
> 
> You are trying to fit 1 random intercept and 2 random slopes per
> individual, while you have at most 3 observations per individual. You
> simply don't have enough data to fit the random slopes. Reduce the
random
> part to (1|ID).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Thierry
> 
> ir. Thierry Onkelinx
> Statisticus / Statistician
> 
> Vlaamse Overheid / Government of Flanders
> INSTITUUT VOOR NATUUR- EN BOSONDERZOEK / RESEARCH INSTITUTE FOR NATURE AND
> FOREST
> Team Biometrie & Kwaliteitszorg / Team Biometrics & Quality
Assurance
> thierry.onkelinx at inbo.be
> Havenlaan 88 bus 73, 1000 Brussel
> *Postadres:* Koning Albert II-laan 15 bus 186, 1210 Brussel
> *Poststukken die naar dit adres worden gestuurd, worden ingescand en
> digitaal aan de geadresseerde bezorgd. Zo kan de Vlaamse overheid haar
> dossiers volledig digitaal behandelen. Poststukken met de vermelding
> ?vertrouwelijk? worden niet ingescand, maar ongeopend aan de geadresseerde
> bezorgd.*
> www.inbo.be
> 
>
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> To call in the statistician after the experiment is done may be no more
> than asking him to perform a post-mortem examination: he may be able to say
> what the experiment died of. ~ Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher
> The plural of anecdote is not data. ~ Roger Brinner
> The combination of some data and an aching desire for an answer does not
> ensure that a reasonable answer can be extracted from a given body of data.
> ~ John Tukey
>
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> 
> <https://www.inbo.be>
> 
> 
> Op ma 6 mei 2024 om 01:59 schreef Srinidhi Jayakumar via R-sig-mixed-models
> <r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org>:
> 
>> I am running a multilevel growth curve model to examine predictors of
>> social anhedonia (SA) trajectory through ages 12, 15 and 18. SA is a
>> continuous numeric variable. The age variable (Index1) has been coded
as 0
>> for age 12, 1 for age 15 and 2 for age 18. I am currently using a time
>> varying predictor, stress (LSI), which was measured at ages 12, 15 and
18,
>> to examine whether trajectory/variation in LSI predicts difference in
SA
>> trajectory. LSI is a continuous numeric variable and was grand-mean
>> centered before using in the models. The data has been converted to
long
>> format with SA in 1 column, LSI in the other, ID in another, and age in
>> another column. I used the code below to run my model using lmer.
However,
>> I get the following error. Please let me know how I can solve this
error.
>> Please note that I have 50% missing data in SA at age 12.
>> modelLSI_maineff_RE <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1 + Index1+LSI |ID),
data >> LSIDATA, control = lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"),
REML=TRUE)
>> summary(modelLSI_maineff_RE)
>> Error: number of observations (=1080) <= number of random effects
(=1479)
>> for term (1 + Index1 + LSI | ID); the random-effects parameters and the
>> residual variance (or scale parameter) are probably unidentifiable
>> 
>> I did test the within-person variance for the LSI variable and the
>> within-person variance is significant from the Greenhouse-Geisser,
>> Hyunh-Feidt tests.
>> 
>> I also tried control = lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE =
"ignore") which gave
>> me the following output. modelLSI_maineff_RE <- lmer(SA ~ Index1*
LSI+ (1 +
>> Index1+LSI |ID), data = LSIDATA, control =
lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE >> "ignore", optimizer
="bobyqa", check.conv.singular = .makeCC(action >>
"ignore", tol = 1e-4)), REML=TRUE)
>> 
>> summary(modelLSI_maineff_RE)
>> Linear mixed model fit by REML. t-tests use Satterthwaite's method
>> ['lmerModLmerTest']
>> Formula: SA ~ Index1 * LSI + (1 + Index1 + LSI | ID)
>> Data: LSIDATA
>> Control: lmerControl(check.nobs.vs.nRE = "ignore", optimizer
= "bobyqa",
>> check.conv.singular = .makeCC(action = "ignore", tol =
1e-04))
>> 
>> REML criterion at convergence: 7299.6
>> 
>> Scaled residuals:
>> Min 1Q Median 3Q Max
>> -2.7289 -0.4832 -0.1449 0.3604 4.5715
>> 
>> Random effects:
>> Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. Corr
>> ID (Intercept) 30.2919 5.5038
>> Index1 2.4765 1.5737 -0.15
>> LSI 0.1669 0.4085 -0.23 0.70
>> Residual 24.1793 4.9172
>> Number of obs: 1080, groups: ID, 493
>> 
>> Fixed effects:
>> Estimate Std. Error df t value Pr(>|t|)
>> (Intercept) 24.68016 0.39722 313.43436 62.133 < 2e-16 ***
>> Index1 0.98495 0.23626 362.75018 4.169 3.83e-05 ***
>> LSI -0.05197 0.06226 273.85575 -0.835 0.4046
>> Index1:LSI 0.09797 0.04506 426.01185 2.174 0.0302 *
>> Signif. codes: 0 ?? 0.001 ?? 0.01 ?? 0.05 ?.? 0.1 ? ? 1
>> 
>> Correlation of Fixed Effects:
>> (Intr) Index1 LSI
>> Index1 -0.645
>> LSI -0.032 0.057
>> Index1:LSI 0.015 0.037 -0.695
>> 
>> I am a little vary of the output still as the error states that I have
>> equal observations as the number of random effects (i.e., 3
observations
>> per ID and 3 random effects). Hence, I am wondering whether I can
simplify
>> the model as either of the below models and choose the one with the
>> best-fit statistics:
>> 
>> modelLSI2 <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1 |ID)+ (Index1+LSI -1|ID),data
>> LSIDATA, control = lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"),
REML=TRUE) *OR*
>> 
>> modelLSI3 <- lmer(SA ~ Index1* LSI+ (1+LSI |ID),data = LSIDATA,
control >> lmerControl(optimizer ="bobyqa"), REML=TRUE) [image:
example of dataset]
>> <https://i.sstatic.net/JcRKS2C9.png>
>> 
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>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> R-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org mailing list
>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mixed-models
>> 
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