R devel - Nov 2020 - [External] Re: .Internal(quit(...)): system call failed: Cannot allocate memory

On 11/24/20 11:27 AM, Jan Gorecki wrote:
> Thanks Bill for checking that.
> It was my impression that warnings are raised from some internal
> system calls made when quitting R. At that point I don't have much
> control over checking the return status of those.
> Your suggestion looks good to me.
>
> Tomas, do you think this could help? could this be implemented?
I think this is a good suggestion. Deleting files on Unix was changed 
from system("rm") to doing that in C, and deleting the session
directory
should follow.

It might also help diagnosing your problem, but I don't think it would 
solve it. If the diagnostics in R works fine and the OS was so 
hopelessly out of memory that it couldn't run any more external 
processes, then really this is not a problem of R, but of having 
exhausted the resources. And it would be a coincidence that just this 
particular call to "system" at the end of the session did not work. 
Anything else could break as well close to the end of the script. This 
seems the most likely explanation to me.

Do you get this warning repeatedly, reproducibly at least in slightly 
different scripts at the very end, with this warning always from quit()? 
So that the "call" part of the warning message has .Internal(quit)
like
in the case you posted? Would adding another call to "system" before
the
call to "q()" work - with checking the return value? If it is always 
only the last call to "system" in "q()", then it is
suspicious, perhaps
an indication that some diagnostics in R is not correct. In that case, a 
reproducible example would be the key - so either if you could diagnose 
on your end what is the problem, or create a reproducible example that 
someone else can use to reproduce and debug.

Best
Tomas
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 7:10 PM Bill Dunlap <williamwdunlap at
gmail.com> wrote:
>> The call to system() probably is an internal call used to delete the
session's tempdir().  This sort of failure means that a potentially large
amount of disk space is not being recovered when R is done.  Perhaps
R_CleanTempDir() could call R_unlink() instead of having a subprocess call
'rm -rf ...'.  Then it could also issue a specific warning if it was
impossible to delete all of tempdir().  (That should be very rare.)
>>
>>> q("no")
>> Breakpoint 1, R_system (command=command at entry=0x7fffffffa1e0
"rm -Rf /tmp/RtmppoKPXb") at sysutils.c:311
>> 311     {
>> (gdb) where
>> #0  R_system (command=command at entry=0x7fffffffa1e0 "rm -Rf
/tmp/RtmppoKPXb") at sysutils.c:311
>> #1  0x00005555557c30ec in R_CleanTempDir () at sys-std.c:1178
>> #2  0x00005555557c31d7 in Rstd_CleanUp (saveact=<optimized out>,
status=0, runLast=<optimized out>) at sys-std.c:1243
>> #3  0x00005555557c593d in R_CleanUp (saveact=saveact at
entry=SA_NOSAVE, status=status at entry=0, runLast=<optimized out>) at
system.c:87
>> #4  0x00005555556cc85e in do_quit (call=<optimized out>,
op=<optimized out>, args=0x555557813f90, rho=<optimized out>) at
main.c:1393
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:15 AM Tomas Kalibera <tomas.kalibera at
gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/21/20 6:51 PM, Jan Gorecki wrote:
>>>> Dear R-developers,
>>>>
>>>> Some of the more fat scripts (50+ GB mem used by R) that I am
running,
>>>> when they finish they do quit with q("no", status=0)
>>>> Quite often it happens that there is an extra stderr output
produced
>>>> at the very end which looks like this:
>>>>
>>>> Warning message:
>>>> In .Internal(quit(save, status, runLast)) :
>>>>     system call failed: Cannot allocate memory
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way to avoid this kind of warnings? I am using
stderr
>>>> output for detecting failures in scripts and this warning is a
false
>>>> positive of a failure.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe quit function could wait little bit longer trying to
allocate
>>>> before it raises this warning?
>>> If you see this warning, some call to system() or system2() or
similar,
>>> which executes an external program, failed to even run a shell to
run
>>> that external program, because there was not enough memory. You
should
>>> be able to find out where it happens by checking the exit status of
>>> system().
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Jan Gorecki
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel

As for other calls to system. I avoid calling system. In the past I
had some (to get memory stats from OS), but they were failing with
exactly the same issue. So yes, if I would add call to system before
calling quit, I believe it would fail with the same error.
At the same time I think (although I am not sure) that new allocations
made in R are working fine. So R seems to reserve some memory and can
continue to operate, while external call like system will fail. Maybe
it is like this by design, don't know.

Aside from this problem that is easy to report due to the warning
message, I think that gc() is choking at the same time. I tried to
make reproducible example for that, multiple times but couldn't, let
me try one more time.
It happens to manifest when there is 4e8+ unique characters/factors in
an R session. I am able to reproduce it using data.table and dplyr
(0.8.4 because 1.0.0+ fails even sooner), but using base R is not easy
because of the size. I described briefly problem in:
https://github.com/h2oai/db-benchmark/issues/110

It would help if gcinfo() could take FALSE/TRUE/2L where 2L will print
even more information about gc, like how much time the each gc()
process took, how many objects it has to check on each level.

Best regards,
Jan



On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 1:05 PM Tomas Kalibera <tomas.kalibera at
gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/24/20 11:27 AM, Jan Gorecki wrote:
> > Thanks Bill for checking that.
> > It was my impression that warnings are raised from some internal
> > system calls made when quitting R. At that point I don't have much
> > control over checking the return status of those.
> > Your suggestion looks good to me.
> >
> > Tomas, do you think this could help? could this be implemented?
>
> I think this is a good suggestion. Deleting files on Unix was changed
> from system("rm") to doing that in C, and deleting the session
directory
> should follow.
>
> It might also help diagnosing your problem, but I don't think it would
> solve it. If the diagnostics in R works fine and the OS was so
> hopelessly out of memory that it couldn't run any more external
> processes, then really this is not a problem of R, but of having
> exhausted the resources. And it would be a coincidence that just this
> particular call to "system" at the end of the session did not
work.
> Anything else could break as well close to the end of the script. This
> seems the most likely explanation to me.
>
> Do you get this warning repeatedly, reproducibly at least in slightly
> different scripts at the very end, with this warning always from quit()?
> So that the "call" part of the warning message has
.Internal(quit) like
> in the case you posted? Would adding another call to "system"
before the
> call to "q()" work - with checking the return value? If it is
always
> only the last call to "system" in "q()", then it is
suspicious, perhaps
> an indication that some diagnostics in R is not correct. In that case, a
> reproducible example would be the key - so either if you could diagnose
> on your end what is the problem, or create a reproducible example that
> someone else can use to reproduce and debug.
>
> Best
> Tomas
>
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 7:10 PM Bill Dunlap <williamwdunlap at
gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The call to system() probably is an internal call used to delete
the session's tempdir().  This sort of failure means that a potentially
large amount of disk space is not being recovered when R is done.  Perhaps
R_CleanTempDir() could call R_unlink() instead of having a subprocess call
'rm -rf ...'.  Then it could also issue a specific warning if it was
impossible to delete all of tempdir().  (That should be very rare.)
> >>
> >>> q("no")
> >> Breakpoint 1, R_system (command=command at entry=0x7fffffffa1e0
"rm -Rf /tmp/RtmppoKPXb") at sysutils.c:311
> >> 311     {
> >> (gdb) where
> >> #0  R_system (command=command at entry=0x7fffffffa1e0 "rm -Rf
/tmp/RtmppoKPXb") at sysutils.c:311
> >> #1  0x00005555557c30ec in R_CleanTempDir () at sys-std.c:1178
> >> #2  0x00005555557c31d7 in Rstd_CleanUp (saveact=<optimized
out>, status=0, runLast=<optimized out>) at sys-std.c:1243
> >> #3  0x00005555557c593d in R_CleanUp (saveact=saveact at
entry=SA_NOSAVE, status=status at entry=0, runLast=<optimized out>) at
system.c:87
> >> #4  0x00005555556cc85e in do_quit (call=<optimized out>,
op=<optimized out>, args=0x555557813f90, rho=<optimized out>) at
main.c:1393
> >>
> >> -Bill
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:15 AM Tomas Kalibera <tomas.kalibera
at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 11/21/20 6:51 PM, Jan Gorecki wrote:
> >>>> Dear R-developers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Some of the more fat scripts (50+ GB mem used by R) that I
am running,
> >>>> when they finish they do quit with q("no",
status=0)
> >>>> Quite often it happens that there is an extra stderr
output produced
> >>>> at the very end which looks like this:
> >>>>
> >>>> Warning message:
> >>>> In .Internal(quit(save, status, runLast)) :
> >>>>     system call failed: Cannot allocate memory
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there any way to avoid this kind of warnings? I am
using stderr
> >>>> output for detecting failures in scripts and this warning
is a false
> >>>> positive of a failure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe quit function could wait little bit longer trying to
allocate
> >>>> before it raises this warning?
> >>> If you see this warning, some call to system() or system2() or
similar,
> >>> which executes an external program, failed to even run a shell
to run
> >>> that external program, because there was not enough memory.
You should
> >>> be able to find out where it happens by checking the exit
status of
> >>> system().
> >>>
> >>> Tomas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Jan Gorecki
> >>>>
> >>>> ______________________________________________
> >>>> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
> >>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
> >>> ______________________________________________
> >>> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
> >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
>
>

On Tue, 24 Nov 2020, Jan Gorecki wrote:
> As for other calls to system. I avoid calling system. In the past I
> had some (to get memory stats from OS), but they were failing with
> exactly the same issue. So yes, if I would add call to system before
> calling quit, I believe it would fail with the same error.
> At the same time I think (although I am not sure) that new allocations
> made in R are working fine. So R seems to reserve some memory and can
> continue to operate, while external call like system will fail. Maybe
> it is like this by design, don't know.
Thanks for the report on quit(). We're exploring how to make the
cleanup on exit more robust to low memory situations like these.
>
> Aside from this problem that is easy to report due to the warning
> message, I think that gc() is choking at the same time. I tried to
> make reproducible example for that, multiple times but couldn't, let
> me try one more time.
> It happens to manifest when there is 4e8+ unique characters/factors in
> an R session. I am able to reproduce it using data.table and dplyr
> (0.8.4 because 1.0.0+ fails even sooner), but using base R is not easy
> because of the size. I described briefly problem in:
> https://github.com/h2oai/db-benchmark/issues/110
Because of the design of R's character vectors, with each element
allocated separately, R is never going to be great at handling huge
numbers of distinct strings. But it can do an adequate job given
enough memory to work with.

When I run your GitHub issue example on a machine with around 500 Gb
of RAM it seems to run OK; /usr/bin/time reports

2706.89user 161.89system 37:10.65elapsed 128%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
92180796maxresident)k
0inputs+103450552outputs (0major+38716351minor)pagefaults 0swaps

So the memory footprint is quite large. Using gc.time() it looks like
about 1/3 of the time is in GC. Not ideal, and maybe could be improved
on a bit, but probably not by much. The GC is basically doing an
adequate job, given enough RAM.

If you run this example on a system without enough RAM, or with other
programs competing for RAM, you are likely to end up fighting with
your OS/hardware's virtual memory system. When I try to run it on a
16Gb system it churns for an hour or so before getting killed, and
/usr/bin/time reports a huge number of page faults:

312523816inputs+0outputs (24761285major+25762068minor)pagefaults 0swaps

You are probably experiencing something similar.

There may be opportunities for more tuning of the GC to better handle
running this close to memory limits, but I doubt the payoff would be
worth the effort.

Best,

luke
> It would help if gcinfo() could take FALSE/TRUE/2L where 2L will print
> even more information about gc, like how much time the each gc()
> process took, how many objects it has to check on each level.
>
> Best regards,
> Jan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 1:05 PM Tomas Kalibera <tomas.kalibera at
gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/24/20 11:27 AM, Jan Gorecki wrote:
>>> Thanks Bill for checking that.
>>> It was my impression that warnings are raised from some internal
>>> system calls made when quitting R. At that point I don't have
much
>>> control over checking the return status of those.
>>> Your suggestion looks good to me.
>>>
>>> Tomas, do you think this could help? could this be implemented?
>>
>> I think this is a good suggestion. Deleting files on Unix was changed
>> from system("rm") to doing that in C, and deleting the
session directory
>> should follow.
>>
>> It might also help diagnosing your problem, but I don't think it
would
>> solve it. If the diagnostics in R works fine and the OS was so
>> hopelessly out of memory that it couldn't run any more external
>> processes, then really this is not a problem of R, but of having
>> exhausted the resources. And it would be a coincidence that just this
>> particular call to "system" at the end of the session did not
work.
>> Anything else could break as well close to the end of the script. This
>> seems the most likely explanation to me.
>>
>> Do you get this warning repeatedly, reproducibly at least in slightly
>> different scripts at the very end, with this warning always from
quit()?
>> So that the "call" part of the warning message has
.Internal(quit) like
>> in the case you posted? Would adding another call to "system"
before the
>> call to "q()" work - with checking the return value? If it is
always
>> only the last call to "system" in "q()", then it is
suspicious, perhaps
>> an indication that some diagnostics in R is not correct. In that case,
a
>> reproducible example would be the key - so either if you could diagnose
>> on your end what is the problem, or create a reproducible example that
>> someone else can use to reproduce and debug.
>>
>> Best
>> Tomas
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 7:10 PM Bill Dunlap <williamwdunlap at
gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The call to system() probably is an internal call used to
delete the session's tempdir().  This sort of failure means that a
potentially large amount of disk space is not being recovered when R is done. 
Perhaps R_CleanTempDir() could call R_unlink() instead of having a subprocess
call 'rm -rf ...'.  Then it could also issue a specific warning if it
was impossible to delete all of tempdir().  (That should be very rare.)
>>>>
>>>>> q("no")
>>>> Breakpoint 1, R_system (command=command at entry=0x7fffffffa1e0
"rm -Rf /tmp/RtmppoKPXb") at sysutils.c:311
>>>> 311     {
>>>> (gdb) where
>>>> #0  R_system (command=command at entry=0x7fffffffa1e0 "rm
-Rf /tmp/RtmppoKPXb") at sysutils.c:311
>>>> #1  0x00005555557c30ec in R_CleanTempDir () at sys-std.c:1178
>>>> #2  0x00005555557c31d7 in Rstd_CleanUp (saveact=<optimized
out>, status=0, runLast=<optimized out>) at sys-std.c:1243
>>>> #3  0x00005555557c593d in R_CleanUp (saveact=saveact at
entry=SA_NOSAVE, status=status at entry=0, runLast=<optimized out>) at
system.c:87
>>>> #4  0x00005555556cc85e in do_quit (call=<optimized out>,
op=<optimized out>, args=0x555557813f90, rho=<optimized out>) at
main.c:1393
>>>>
>>>> -Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:15 AM Tomas Kalibera
<tomas.kalibera at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/21/20 6:51 PM, Jan Gorecki wrote:
>>>>>> Dear R-developers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the more fat scripts (50+ GB mem used by R)
that I am running,
>>>>>> when they finish they do quit with q("no",
status=0)
>>>>>> Quite often it happens that there is an extra stderr
output produced
>>>>>> at the very end which looks like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warning message:
>>>>>> In .Internal(quit(save, status, runLast)) :
>>>>>>     system call failed: Cannot allocate memory
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to avoid this kind of warnings? I am
using stderr
>>>>>> output for detecting failures in scripts and this
warning is a false
>>>>>> positive of a failure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe quit function could wait little bit longer trying
to allocate
>>>>>> before it raises this warning?
>>>>> If you see this warning, some call to system() or system2()
or similar,
>>>>> which executes an external program, failed to even run a
shell to run
>>>>> that external program, because there was not enough memory.
You should
>>>>> be able to find out where it happens by checking the exit
status of
>>>>> system().
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Jan Gorecki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
>>>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
>>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
>>
>>
>
> ______________________________________________
> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
>
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