Hi, I often use par(mex = 0.5) as an easy way to shrink space used for margins. However, I recently noticed that this leads to an asymmetry in the positioning of the x vs. y axis labels and xlab / ylab -- the x-axis labels are pushed into the tic-marks, while the y-axis labels look fine. A more extreme example: dev.new() par(mex=.1, mar=c(10,10,10,10)) plot(1:10) Tracking this down in the code, this effect appears to be arising from: 1) GMtext in graphics.c adjusts the margin line coordinate using dev->yLineBias. After commenting out these adjustments, the x-axis text is clearly shifted up (i.e. the bottom of the text is aligned at the specified margin line) while the y-axis text is shifted left (i.e. the bottom of the text is still aligned with the specified margin line). 2) This observation lead me to realize that do_axis and do_title in plot.c assume padj=0 most of the time (there are exceptions depending on par()$las). I'm no expert in the R code base, but the yLineBias adjustments appears like they might have been intended to restore symmetry -- but it only works for mex=1. Is there a reason why, instead of yLineBias, we can't either: 1) center axis and title text by default (i.e. padj=0.5) -or- 2) align side=1,3 with padj=1; side=2,4 with padj=0 ? Solution 1 is trivial to implement, but this would shift positioning slightly relative to the current code (even for mex=1). Solution 2 is slightly trickier because we have to pay attention to side and las values, but would not change the output for mex=1. I implemented drafts of both solutions, which work at least superficially. Two questions: -Am I missing a larger purpose to yLineBias? -Thoughts about which solution is better / can I contribute a patch to fix this? Regards, Philip