services without me telling it SUCKS. Why? Configuration files changes. I've seen too many people do RPM upgrades of critical services only to have a service that is working to fail or worse yet an interrupted connection which drops the ssh connection now leaving them unable to log into the box. *ANYONE* saying a package manager should automately restart services without user interaction is cursing their users to pain and suffering. =) I'll stop ranting on the topic. - Ben