openssh unix dev - Jun 2005 - Building Stand-Alone NT Installer. Need Advice on File Structure. Thank you!

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Hello Everyone,

 I am trying to build a stand-alone installation application of
 OpenSSH 4.1p1-1. The target of this project is the NT platform
 (NT/00/XP/03). I've met with success and am happy so far with the
 progress. I cross-checked all executables and DLL's for dependencies.
 All executables and DLL's should truly stand-alone (dependent on
 nothing outside the enclosed tree). Once this project is finished I
 plan on submitting a link to the final version here for peer review.
 I am using the following software on XP to help with the project.
>  OpenSSH-4.1p1-1
>  Cygwin 2.457.2.2
>  SSHWindows 3.8.1p1
>  Windows XP  5.1 Build  2600 Service Pack 2
 
This message is aimed at one purpose. To seek advice on the correct
file structure for OpenSSH. To get to the point is simple. It seems
Cygwin 2.457.2.2 bombed the OpenSSH build with a whole bunch of
erroneous files (I may be wrong). I wish to ask the community to take
a look at the following enclosed tree and correct any possible flaws,
mistakes and point out any unnecessary files & folders. Also, I've
diffed against SSHWindows 3.8.1p1 so to include applications such as
"mkdir.exe", "mkgroup.exe" & "mkpasswd.exe".

PLEASE NOTE: Unnecessary files and folders should be ERASED!

PLEASE NOTE: To make sense and to help the community please replace >>
OR ?? with !! IF the file or folder should be deleted. Please
replace
>> OR ?? with << IF it should be kept. All files NOT marked should
be
left alone IF they're to be included into the final build. Ahead of
time, I would like to thank you and the community for your time. Thank
you again!

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LEGEND:
     >> These files are in question. Are these files necessary in any way
on NT?
     ?? These files are found in SSHWindows 3.8.1p1 BUT are NOT found in Cygwin
2.457.2.2
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>> bin\c_rehash
     ?? bin\chmod.exe
     ?? bin\chown.exe
        bin\crypt.exe
        bin\cygcrypt-0.dll
        bin\cygcrypto-0.9.7.dll
        bin\cygiconv-2.dll
        bin\cygintl-2.dll
        bin\cygintl-3.dll
        bin\cygminires.dll
        bin\cygrunsrv.exe
        bin\cygssl-0.9.7.dll
        bin\cygwin1.dll
        bin\cygz.dll
     ?? bin\false.exe
     ?? bin\last.exe
     ?? bin\ls.exe
     ?? bin\mkdir.exe
     ?? bin\mkgroup.exe
     ?? bin\mkpasswd.c
     ?? bin\mkpasswd.exe
        bin\openssl.exe
     >> bin\openssl_fips_fingerprint
     ?? bin\rm.exe
        bin\scp.exe
        bin\sftp.exe
     ?? bin\sh.exe
     >> bin\slogin
        bin\ssh.exe
        bin\ssh-add.exe
        bin\ssh-agent.exe
     >> bin\ssh-host-config
        bin\ssh-keygen.exe
        bin\ssh-keyscan.exe
     >> bin\ssh-user-config
     ?? bin\switch.c
     ?? bin\switch.exe
     ?? etc\banner.txt
     >> etc\profile.d\openssl.csh
     >> etc\profile.d\openssl.sh
     >> etc\setup\crypt.lst.gz
     >> etc\setup\cygrunsrv.lst.gz
     >> etc\setup\installed.db
     >> etc\setup\last-action
     >> etc\setup\last-cache
     >> etc\setup\last-connection
     >> etc\setup\last-mirror
     >> etc\setup\minires.lst.gz
     >> etc\setup\openssh.lst.gz
     >> etc\setup\openssl.lst.gz
     >> etc\setup\timestamp
        etc\ssh_config
        etc\ssh_host_dsa_key
        etc\ssh_host_dsa_key.pub
        etc\ssh_host_key
        etc\ssh_host_key.pub
        etc\ssh_host_rsa_key
        etc\ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
        etc\sshd_config
        etc\moduli
     >> lib\libcrypt.a
     >> lib\libcrypt.dll.a
     >> usr\include\crypt.h
        usr\sbin\sftp-server.exe
        usr\sbin\sshd.exe
        usr\sbin\ssh-keysign.exe
        usr\share\doc\Cygwin\crypt.README
        usr\share\doc\Cygwin\cygrunsrv.README
        usr\share\doc\Cygwin\minires-1.00-1.README
        usr\share\doc\Cygwin\openssh.README
        usr\share\doc\Cygwin\openssl-0.9.7g.README
        usr\share\doc\minires-1.00\LICENSE
        usr\share\doc\openssh\ChangeLog
        usr\share\doc\openssh\CREDITS
        usr\share\doc\openssh\LICENCE
        usr\share\doc\openssh\OVERVIEW
        usr\share\doc\openssh\README
        usr\share\doc\openssh\README.dns
        usr\share\doc\openssh\README.privsep
        usr\share\doc\openssh\README.smartcard
        usr\share\doc\openssh\RFC.nroff
        usr\share\doc\openssh\TODO
        usr\share\doc\openssh\WARNING.RNG
        usr\share\doc\openssl\CHANGES
        usr\share\doc\openssl\CHANGES.SSLeay
        usr\share\doc\openssl\INSTALL
        usr\share\doc\openssl\LICENSE
        usr\share\doc\openssl\NEWS
        usr\share\doc\openssl\README
     >> usr\share\man\man1\scp.1
     >> usr\share\man\man1\sftp.1
     >> usr\share\man\man1\slogin.1
     >> usr\share\man\man1\ssh.1
     >> usr\share\man\man1\ssh-add.1
     >> usr\share\man\man1\ssh-agent.1
     >> usr\share\man\man1\ssh-keygen.1
     >> usr\share\man\man1\ssh-keyscan.1
     >> usr\share\man\man5\ssh_config.5
     >> usr\share\man\man5\sshd_config.5
     >> usr\share\man\man8\sftp-server.8
     >> usr\share\man\man8\sshd.8
     >> usr\share\man\man8\ssh-keysign.8
     >> usr\share\terminfo\c\cygwin
        usr\share\Ssh.bin
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\asn1parse.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\ca.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\CA.pl.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\ciphers.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\crl.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\crl2pkcs7.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\dgst.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\dhparam.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\dsa.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\dsaparam.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\enc.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\errstr.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\gendsa.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\genrsa.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\md2.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\md4.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\md5.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\mdc2.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\nseq.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\ocsp.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\openssl.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\passwd.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\pkcs12.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\pkcs7.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\pkcs8.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\rand.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\req.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\ripemd160.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\rsa.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\rsautl.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\s_client.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\s_server.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\s_time.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\sess_id.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\sha.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\sha1.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\smime.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\speed.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\spkac.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\verify.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\version.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man1\x509.1
     >> usr\ssl\man\man5\config.5
     >> usr\ssl\man\man7\des_modes.7
     >> usr\ssl\man\man7\Modes_of_DES.7
     >> usr\ssl\misc\c_hash
     >> usr\ssl\misc\c_info
     >> usr\ssl\misc\c_issuer
     >> usr\ssl\misc\c_name
     >> usr\ssl\misc\CA.pl
     >> usr\ssl\misc\CA.sh
        usr\ssl\openssl.cnf
     >> var\run\utmp
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 Best regards,
 Victor B. Gonzalez
                          
 OpenSSH-4.1p1-1
 Cygwin 2.457.2.2
 Windows XP  5.1 Build  2600 Service Pack 2

On Jun 12 01:29, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
> >  OpenSSH-4.1p1-1
> >  Cygwin 2.457.2.2
There's no such thing as a Cygwin version 2.457.2.2.

There's no gain for the community in packaging up a package which contains
a binary Cygwin DLL.  The only result is that somebody, who has already a
Cygwin installation will get another DLL with likely another version in
$PATH which results in serious trouble.  So this isn't something we want
to see and support.

Even then, I hope you're also packaging up all the source code at the
same spot you're providing binaries, otherwise you'll at least
infringing
the Cygwin license.

This is very off-topic for this list, AFAICS, especially when sent three times.


Corinna

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Corinna Vinschen
Cygwin Project Co-Leader
Red Hat, Inc.

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Hello Corinna,
>There's no such thing as a Cygwin version 2.457.2.2.
I apologize. I was referring to the version of setup. I've built with
the DLL version 1.5.17-1 and made a final stand alone build on June,
06, 2005.
>There's no gain for the community in packaging up a package which
contains
>a binary Cygwin DLL.  The only result is that somebody, who has already a
>Cygwin installation will get another DLL with likely another version in
>$PATH which results in serious trouble.  So this isn't something we want
>to see and support.
Sounds interesting. Would it be of interest to you if I put in logic
that will refuse to install itself IF any of the following returns
true?
> Registry entries for "Cygnus Solutions"
> Environment variable of "CYGWIN"
I will do this so no trouble can surface. The installer can read the
registry and environment so to take the proper action. If incase
you're curious about someone wishing to install Cygwin AFTER they
installed OpenSSH standalone, well I can perform that check on every
system startup. IF an installation of Cygwin is found I can disable
the stand alone version completely from paths and registry. Or
whatever you might wish to recommend.
>Even then, I hope you're also packaging up all the source code at the
>same spot you're providing binaries, otherwise you'll at least
infringing
>the Cygwin license.
In a sense, I was hoping users would advise on which files are safe to
remove and which one's aren't. For example are all man files required
on NT? Should I include all .README's from Cygwin OR just the main
README's which pertain to the actual used applications? IF I must
include the source rather than linking to it I might need some help.
BUT I am willing to do anything to comply with any and all legalities.

I am only really hoping to lay-down the groundwork with notes of my
progress about building a standalone installation. I would really
appreciate if someone much smarter than I in regards to Cygwin and
OpenSSH actually take it further and make it more solid and secure. I
don't proclaim to be a professional BUT I do proclaim that I am
willing to at least try and get OpenSSH to stand as alone as possible.

While at the same time doing anything to comply...
>This is very off-topic for this list, AFAICS, especially when sent
>three times.
I apologize for this inconvenience and feel bad about it. Thanks to
"Bob Proulx" from the list I've discovered I've got a serious
problem.
It seems the either the list, my mail server or my client is not in
agreement at some point. My first two messages returned errors stating
it was never posted "bad command" and my last message "the one
you
replied to" never sent me the actual reply. I had to find it on the
following webpage
http://www.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2005-June/thread.html
thanks again to "Bob Proulx".

If this list isn't made for discussions about furthering OpenSSH into
projects like "standalone installations" then where do I find such a
list? Also, what is this list for if not for development?

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 Best regards,
 Victor B. Gonzalez
                          
 OpenSSH-4.1p1-1
 Cygwin DLL 1.5.17-1
 Windows XP  5.1 Build  2600 Service Pack 2