Sorry, because this is not a technical question rather than a Hardware advice/recommendation. I have been using NUT-UPS perfectly for more than 7 years using two different Eaton/MGE models. After a battery replacement (replaced 1 year ago) after 5 years of service, my current unit seems to behave faulty, as just after 1-2 minutes of power outage, shows the LB battery flag and sets FSD although having enough battery charge and runtime. I'm now looking to replace the UPS, but after comparing various vendors and models (and check against the HCL) I found that the Eaton ones are quite more expensive than other vendors/models. I'm thinking to move to a cheaper model, but still have a good device/NUT support, mainly usb-hid or blazer-usb drivers. For one side I'm happy with Eaton, however they are quite expensive, and although in the past supported NUT development I'm not sure if this is still the same collaborative support. On the other hand I'm looking to get a Salicru SPS, I've read some good (and also some bad) reviews of the devices but would like to know of any NUT-user experience. So could anyone with experience regarding Salicru/blazer-ups with NUT ? Should I give them a try or better stick with Eaton as well supported and good device? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/nut-upsuser/attachments/20200817/ad88d578/attachment.html>
I would also be very interested in this topic. Best Regards, Bart pon., 17 sie 2020, 12:55 użytkownik Marc Franquesa <marc.franquesa at gmail.com> napisał:> Sorry, because this is not a technical question rather than a Hardware > advice/recommendation. > > I have been using NUT-UPS perfectly for more than 7 years using two > different Eaton/MGE models. > > After a battery replacement (replaced 1 year ago) after 5 years of > service, my current unit seems to behave faulty, as just after 1-2 minutes > of power outage, shows the LB battery flag and sets FSD although having > enough battery charge and runtime. > > I'm now looking to replace the UPS, but after comparing various vendors > and models (and check against the HCL) I found that the Eaton ones are > quite more expensive than other vendors/models. > > I'm thinking to move to a cheaper model, but still have a good device/NUT > support, mainly usb-hid or blazer-usb drivers. > > For one side I'm happy with Eaton, however they are quite expensive, and > although in the past supported NUT development I'm not sure if this is > still the same collaborative support. > > On the other hand I'm looking to get a Salicru SPS, I've read some good > (and also some bad) reviews of the devices but would like to know of any > NUT-user experience. > > So could anyone with experience regarding Salicru/blazer-ups with NUT ? > > Should I give them a try or better stick with Eaton as well supported and > good device? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Nut-upsuser mailing list > Nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net > https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nut-upsuser-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/nut-upsuser/attachments/20200817/913ad1d8/attachment.html>
David Zomaya
2020-Aug-17 22:18 UTC
[Nut-upsuser] [EXTERNAL] Re: Device recommendation Salicru
Obviously, I'm biased so don't count my vote, but let me know if you're interested in chatting about Tripp Lite. I try to help out on the mailing list when I can. More on topic, these are the threads on the mailing list I found with Salicru and NUT (both older posts): https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/nut-upsuser/2015-February/009532.html https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/nut-upsuser/2011-July/006981.html <http://www.tripplite.com/> ________________________________ From: Nut-upsuser <nut-upsuser-bounces+david_zomaya=tripplite.com at alioth-lists.debian.net> on behalf of Bartosz <bartoszmail at gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:41:54 PM To: Marc Franquesa Cc: nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Nut-upsuser] Device recommendation Salicru This is an EXTERNAL email. Please take a moment and think before clicking any links or opening any attachments from this email. If suspicious, please forward to ishelpdesk at tripplite.com for review. ________________________________ I would also be very interested in this topic. Best Regards, Bart pon., 17 sie 2020, 12:55 użytkownik Marc Franquesa <marc.franquesa at gmail.com<mailto:marc.franquesa at gmail.com>> napisał: Sorry, because this is not a technical question rather than a Hardware advice/recommendation. I have been using NUT-UPS perfectly for more than 7 years using two different Eaton/MGE models. After a battery replacement (replaced 1 year ago) after 5 years of service, my current unit seems to behave faulty, as just after 1-2 minutes of power outage, shows the LB battery flag and sets FSD although having enough battery charge and runtime. I'm now looking to replace the UPS, but after comparing various vendors and models (and check against the HCL) I found that the Eaton ones are quite more expensive than other vendors/models. I'm thinking to move to a cheaper model, but still have a good device/NUT support, mainly usb-hid or blazer-usb drivers. For one side I'm happy with Eaton, however they are quite expensive, and although in the past supported NUT development I'm not sure if this is still the same collaborative support. On the other hand I'm looking to get a Salicru SPS, I've read some good (and also some bad) reviews of the devices but would like to know of any NUT-user experience. So could anyone with experience regarding Salicru/blazer-ups with NUT ? Should I give them a try or better stick with Eaton as well supported and good device? Thanks _______________________________________________ Nut-upsuser mailing list Nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net<mailto:Nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net> https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nut-upsuser<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__alioth-2Dlists.debian.net_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_nut-2Dupsuser&d=DwMFaQ&c=f9s1WCuF-N6cmD_YaZ7gBg&r=lhr3k4au5dVQgHY_iS-v_t9g8PHVkn8Px_wyaupZGfQ&m=zQkS5rKijlOb8yVeJ-tYkezT76eHg5p9iCR28DOA0N0&s=hGGf_uVEuMJsX48hcCuHEj8ydb1eeGTZ1EFn_VklYXQ&e=> ________________________________ This message is for the addressee's use only. It may contain confidential information. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Tripp Lite disclaims all warranties and liabilities, and assumes no responsibility for viruses which may infect an email sent to you from Tripp Lite and which damage your electronic systems or information. It is your responsibility to maintain virus detection systems to prevent damage to your electronic systems and information. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/nut-upsuser/attachments/20200817/2ed9eded/attachment-0001.html>
My experience on situations like this is that it is almost always a bad battery. Once load is removed, the voltage bounced back, and thus you show time/capacity, but it's possible that the sag under load drops you into LB, and causes the shutdown. If the UPS has a battery test, give it a try, or load test the battery external to the UPS if you can - I suspect that the UPS will be fine, and the battery degraded. - Tim On 08/17/2020 04:41 PM, Bartosz wrote:> I would also be very interested in this topic. > > Best Regards, > Bart > > pon., 17 sie 2020, 12:55 użytkownik Marc Franquesa > <marc.franquesa at gmail.com <mailto:marc.franquesa at gmail.com>> napisał: > > Sorry, because this is not a technical question rather than a > Hardware advice/recommendation. > > I have been using NUT-UPS perfectly for more than 7 years using > two different Eaton/MGE models. > > After a battery replacement (replaced 1 year ago) after 5 years of > service, my current unit seems to behave faulty, as just after 1-2 > minutes of power outage, shows the LB battery flag and sets FSD > although having enough battery charge and runtime. > > I'm now looking to replace the UPS, but after comparing various > vendors and models (and check against the HCL) I found that the > Eaton ones are quite more expensive than other vendors/models. > > I'm thinking to move to a cheaper model, but still have a good > device/NUT support, mainly usb-hid or blazer-usb drivers. > > For one side I'm happy with Eaton, however they are quite > expensive, and although in the past supported NUT development I'm > not sure if this is still the same collaborative support. > > On the other hand I'm looking to get a Salicru SPS, I've read some > good (and also some bad) reviews of the devices but would like to > know of any NUT-user experience. > > So could anyone with experience regarding Salicru/blazer-ups with > NUT ? > > Should I give them a try or better stick with Eaton as well > supported and good device? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Nut-upsuser mailing list > Nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net > <mailto:Nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net> > https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nut-upsuser > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nut-upsuser mailing list > Nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net > https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nut-upsuser-- Tim Dawson 972-567-9360 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/nut-upsuser/attachments/20200817/bdf35b2f/attachment.html>
Thanks all for the quick responses on the question (always a good sign of this mailing list). (Tim Dawson, Manuel Wolfshant): Regarding root cause of my current problem pointing to a faulty battery, this is not the first time that someone points to it. However I made a simple test with the vendor tools (Windows) and didn't found any issue, as well as they discharged normally (although only tested without load). I have no other ways to test the battery themselves, I'm not quite electricity-tech to make some hackish testing (and dangerous). (David Zomaya). Regarding Tripplite, I found many active threads on the mailing list so I consider it everytime as an alternative, however those devices are a bit pro/expensive too and they are harder to get/find support on my country compared with other vendors. However feel free to suggest a model like the Ellipse ECO 1200VA (in power and price). Also I found many reports of NUT working devices on the mailing list which are not reported on the HCL (https://networkupstools.org/stable-hcl.html) which makes me ask if this list is maintained/updated as well as the acknowledges section (https://networkupstools.org/acknowledgements.html) As Bartosz pointed out, I think many of us would like to know of recommended vendors either for their products quality or for their support to NUT project. Regards Missatge de Marc Franquesa <marc.franquesa at gmail.com> del dia dl., 17 d’ag. 2020 a les 12:32:> Sorry, because this is not a technical question rather than a Hardware > advice/recommendation. > > I have been using NUT-UPS perfectly for more than 7 years using two > different Eaton/MGE models. > > After a battery replacement (replaced 1 year ago) after 5 years of > service, my current unit seems to behave faulty, as just after 1-2 minutes > of power outage, shows the LB battery flag and sets FSD although having > enough battery charge and runtime. > > I'm now looking to replace the UPS, but after comparing various vendors > and models (and check against the HCL) I found that the Eaton ones are > quite more expensive than other vendors/models. > > I'm thinking to move to a cheaper model, but still have a good device/NUT > support, mainly usb-hid or blazer-usb drivers. > > For one side I'm happy with Eaton, however they are quite expensive, and > although in the past supported NUT development I'm not sure if this is > still the same collaborative support. > > On the other hand I'm looking to get a Salicru SPS, I've read some good > (and also some bad) reviews of the devices but would like to know of any > NUT-user experience. > > So could anyone with experience regarding Salicru/blazer-ups with NUT ? > > Should I give them a try or better stick with Eaton as well supported and > good device? > > Thanks >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/nut-upsuser/attachments/20200819/687e3032/attachment.html>
On 8/19/20 12:55 PM, Marc Franquesa wrote:> Thanks all for the quick responses on the question (always a good sign > of this mailing list). > > (Tim Dawson, Manuel Wolfshant): > Regarding root cause of my current problem pointing to a faulty > battery, this is not the first time that someone points to it. However > I made a simple test with the vendor tools (Windows) and didn't found > any issue, as well as they discharged normally (although only tested > without load). >That test is not very relevant, unfortunately. You can easily get false results ( as in battery OK when it is not really OK ). The only relevant test is under real load, which is why I suggested using a small motor or a light bulb.> I have no other ways to test the battery themselves, I'm not quite > electricity-tech to make some hackish testing (and dangerous).It's your choice but unless you short circuit the terminals which you should not do with ANY battery, there is no danger. It's as dangerous as working on the electrical system of a car or with a battery for a flashlight. True, it's 12V vs 1.5V but still not dangerous. All you have to do is to disconnect the battery ( which you know how to do, since you replaced it once ), connect a lamp with a 12V light bulb to the terminals and use a clock to monitor how fast does the battery discharge.> > (David Zomaya). > Regarding Tripplite, I found many active threads on the mailing list > so I consider it everytime as an alternative, however those devices > are a bit pro/expensive too and they are harder to get/find support on > my country compared with other vendors. However feel free to suggest a > model like the Ellipse ECO 1200VA (in power and price). > > Also I found many reports of NUT working devices on the mailing list > which are not reported on the HCL > (https://networkupstools.org/stable-hcl.html) which makes me ask if > this list is maintained/updated as well as the acknowledges section > (https://networkupstools.org/acknowledgements.html)Unfortunately that list is rather unmaintained.
Hi guys, Thanks much again, After making another test under load (without taking the batteries), NUT now reports: ups.status: ALARM OL ups.alarm: Battery voltage too low! So you were right: I'm going for a battery replacement ;) Again thanks much for all, specially to Charles Lepple for the detailed information. Missatge de Marc Franquesa <marc.franquesa at gmail.com> del dia dc., 19 d’ag. 2020 a les 11:55:> Thanks all for the quick responses on the question (always a good sign of > this mailing list). > > (Tim Dawson, Manuel Wolfshant): > Regarding root cause of my current problem pointing to a faulty battery, > this is not the first time that someone points to it. However I made a > simple test with the vendor tools (Windows) and didn't found any issue, as > well as they discharged normally (although only tested without load). > > I have no other ways to test the battery themselves, I'm not quite > electricity-tech to make some hackish testing (and dangerous). > > (David Zomaya). > Regarding Tripplite, I found many active threads on the mailing list so I > consider it everytime as an alternative, however those devices are a bit > pro/expensive too and they are harder to get/find support on my country > compared with other vendors. However feel free to suggest a model like the > Ellipse ECO 1200VA (in power and price). > > Also I found many reports of NUT working devices on the mailing list which > are not reported on the HCL (https://networkupstools.org/stable-hcl.html) > which makes me ask if this list is maintained/updated as well as the > acknowledges section (https://networkupstools.org/acknowledgements.html) > > As Bartosz pointed out, I think many of us would like to know of > recommended vendors either for their products quality or for their support > to NUT project. > > Regards > > Missatge de Marc Franquesa <marc.franquesa at gmail.com> del dia dl., 17 > d’ag. 2020 a les 12:32: > >> Sorry, because this is not a technical question rather than a Hardware >> advice/recommendation. >> >> I have been using NUT-UPS perfectly for more than 7 years using two >> different Eaton/MGE models. >> >> After a battery replacement (replaced 1 year ago) after 5 years of >> service, my current unit seems to behave faulty, as just after 1-2 minutes >> of power outage, shows the LB battery flag and sets FSD although having >> enough battery charge and runtime. >> >> I'm now looking to replace the UPS, but after comparing various vendors >> and models (and check against the HCL) I found that the Eaton ones are >> quite more expensive than other vendors/models. >> >> I'm thinking to move to a cheaper model, but still have a good device/NUT >> support, mainly usb-hid or blazer-usb drivers. >> >> For one side I'm happy with Eaton, however they are quite expensive, and >> although in the past supported NUT development I'm not sure if this is >> still the same collaborative support. >> >> On the other hand I'm looking to get a Salicru SPS, I've read some good >> (and also some bad) reviews of the devices but would like to know of any >> NUT-user experience. >> >> So could anyone with experience regarding Salicru/blazer-ups with NUT ? >> >> Should I give them a try or better stick with Eaton as well supported and >> good device? >> >> Thanks >> >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/nut-upsuser/attachments/20200820/0a124546/attachment.html>