llvm dev - Jul 2016 - Suggestion to Stop Cross Posting Discussions

+1 to do something, whether that something is to mail only on llvm-dev, 
or to move those discussions to a 'community' or 'cross-project'
list of
some sort.

I -am- subscribed to cfe-def and llvm-dev, and as a result, I get most 
of these messages twice.  I also have mail rules to put cfe-dev email in 
one folder and llvm-dev email in another folder. When both mailing lists 
are involved, the discussions end up in my llvm-dev folder, but 
occasionally, someone will only reply on one of the lists.  I then get 
to follow the discussion across folders, and that's no fun.


On 7/5/2016 1:59 PM, Hal Finkel via llvm-dev wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Criswell via llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org>
>> To: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:51:27 PM
>> Subject: [llvm-dev] Suggestion to Stop Cross Posting Discussions
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Within the past few months, there have been several discussions that
>> relate to LLVM and its sub-projects (such as the discussions on
>> moving
>> to Git and the Code of Conduct).  To ensure that these discussions
>> reach
>> all community members, people have been cross-posting these messages
>> to
>> llvmdev, cfe-dev, and every other -dev you can think of.
>>
>> This is becoming a headache for me (and possibly other mailing list
>> admins) because replies are often sent to every list, but not all
>> users
>> are subscribed to every list.  As a result, we're moderating
messages
>> for people because they're subscribed to llvm-dev but not
openmp-dev,
>> or
>> they are on cfe-dev but not llvm-dev, etc.
>>
>> Can we keep these policy discussions on llvm-dev and just expect
>> people
>> to subscribe to llvm-dev if they want to particpate? Alternatively,
>> could we create a new mailing list for these discussions?
>>
>> I'd rather spend time moderating first-poster posts and discarding
>> SPAM
>> than ensuring that all of you can post to all the lists.
> Perhaps this is the easiest solution: Make it so that anyone subscribed to
any of the -dev lists can post to all of them.
>
> Alternatively, we could have a "community" list to which anyone
subscribed to any of the -dev lists is automatically subscribed.
>
> We have a lot of people who are subscribed, for example, to cfe-dev and not
to llvm-dev, and I'm not sure that making them received backend-related
messages just to catch community-wide discussions is reasonable.
>
>   -Hal
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Criswell
>>
>> --
>> John Criswell
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Computer Science, University of Rochester
>> http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/criswell
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>
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+1. I have a similar setup but I only seem to end up with one copy for some
reason. It's very confusing to read the end of the conversation on llvm-dev,
the beginning on cfe-dev, and finally the middle on lldb-dev.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: llvm-dev [mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org] On Behalf Of
Craig,
> Ben via llvm-dev
> Sent: 05 July 2016 20:05
> To: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] Suggestion to Stop Cross Posting Discussions
> 
> +1 to do something, whether that something is to mail only on llvm-dev,
> or to move those discussions to a 'community' or
'cross-project' list of
> some sort.
> 
> I -am- subscribed to cfe-def and llvm-dev, and as a result, I get most
> of these messages twice.  I also have mail rules to put cfe-dev email in
> one folder and llvm-dev email in another folder. When both mailing lists
> are involved, the discussions end up in my llvm-dev folder, but
> occasionally, someone will only reply on one of the lists.  I then get
> to follow the discussion across folders, and that's no fun.
> 
> 
> On 7/5/2016 1:59 PM, Hal Finkel via llvm-dev wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "John Criswell via llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org>
> >> To: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:51:27 PM
> >> Subject: [llvm-dev] Suggestion to Stop Cross Posting Discussions
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >> Within the past few months, there have been several discussions
that
> >> relate to LLVM and its sub-projects (such as the discussions on
> >> moving
> >> to Git and the Code of Conduct).  To ensure that these discussions
> >> reach
> >> all community members, people have been cross-posting these
messages
> >> to
> >> llvmdev, cfe-dev, and every other -dev you can think of.
> >>
> >> This is becoming a headache for me (and possibly other mailing
list
> >> admins) because replies are often sent to every list, but not all
> >> users
> >> are subscribed to every list.  As a result, we're moderating
messages
> >> for people because they're subscribed to llvm-dev but not
openmp-dev,
> >> or
> >> they are on cfe-dev but not llvm-dev, etc.
> >>
> >> Can we keep these policy discussions on llvm-dev and just expect
> >> people
> >> to subscribe to llvm-dev if they want to particpate?
Alternatively,
> >> could we create a new mailing list for these discussions?
> >>
> >> I'd rather spend time moderating first-poster posts and
discarding
> >> SPAM
> >> than ensuring that all of you can post to all the lists.
> > Perhaps this is the easiest solution: Make it so that anyone
subscribed to
> any of the -dev lists can post to all of them.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could have a "community" list to which
anyone
> subscribed to any of the -dev lists is automatically subscribed.
> >
> > We have a lot of people who are subscribed, for example, to cfe-dev
and
> not to llvm-dev, and I'm not sure that making them received
backend-related
> messages just to catch community-wide discussions is reasonable.
> >
> >   -Hal
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> John Criswell
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Criswell
> >> Assistant Professor
> >> Department of Computer Science, University of Rochester
> >> http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/criswell
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> LLVM Developers mailing list
> >> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> >> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
> >>
> 
> --
> Employee of Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc.
> Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of Code Aurora Forum, a
> Linux Foundation Collaborative Project
> 
> _______________________________________________
> LLVM Developers mailing list
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev

> -----Original Message-----
> From: llvm-dev [mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org] On Behalf Of
> Daniel Sanders via llvm-dev
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 2:11 AM
> To: Craig, Ben; llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] Suggestion to Stop Cross Posting Discussions
> 
> +1. I have a similar setup but I only seem to end up with one copy for
> some reason. It's very confusing to read the end of the conversation on
> llvm-dev, the beginning on cfe-dev, and finally the middle on lldb-dev.
I move *-dev to a single folder just to avoid this.
The sum of all *-dev traffic is not that much.
--paulr
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: llvm-dev [mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org] On Behalf
Of
> Craig,
> > Ben via llvm-dev
> > Sent: 05 July 2016 20:05
> > To: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] Suggestion to Stop Cross Posting Discussions
> >
> > +1 to do something, whether that something is to mail only on
llvm-dev,
> > or to move those discussions to a 'community' or
'cross-project' list of
> > some sort.
> >
> > I -am- subscribed to cfe-def and llvm-dev, and as a result, I get most
> > of these messages twice.  I also have mail rules to put cfe-dev email
in
> > one folder and llvm-dev email in another folder. When both mailing
lists
> > are involved, the discussions end up in my llvm-dev folder, but
> > occasionally, someone will only reply on one of the lists.  I then get
> > to follow the discussion across folders, and that's no fun.
> >
> >
> > On 7/5/2016 1:59 PM, Hal Finkel via llvm-dev wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "John Criswell via llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org>
> > >> To: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:51:27 PM
> > >> Subject: [llvm-dev] Suggestion to Stop Cross Posting
Discussions
> > >>
> > >> Dear All,
> > >>
> > >> Within the past few months, there have been several
discussions that
> > >> relate to LLVM and its sub-projects (such as the discussions
on
> > >> moving
> > >> to Git and the Code of Conduct).  To ensure that these
discussions
> > >> reach
> > >> all community members, people have been cross-posting these
messages
> > >> to
> > >> llvmdev, cfe-dev, and every other -dev you can think of.
> > >>
> > >> This is becoming a headache for me (and possibly other
mailing list
> > >> admins) because replies are often sent to every list, but not
all
> > >> users
> > >> are subscribed to every list.  As a result, we're
moderating messages
> > >> for people because they're subscribed to llvm-dev but not
openmp-dev,
> > >> or
> > >> they are on cfe-dev but not llvm-dev, etc.
> > >>
> > >> Can we keep these policy discussions on llvm-dev and just
expect
> > >> people
> > >> to subscribe to llvm-dev if they want to particpate?
Alternatively,
> > >> could we create a new mailing list for these discussions?
> > >>
> > >> I'd rather spend time moderating first-poster posts and
discarding
> > >> SPAM
> > >> than ensuring that all of you can post to all the lists.
> > > Perhaps this is the easiest solution: Make it so that anyone
> subscribed to
> > any of the -dev lists can post to all of them.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, we could have a "community" list to
which anyone
> > subscribed to any of the -dev lists is automatically subscribed.
> > >
> > > We have a lot of people who are subscribed, for example, to
cfe-dev
> and
> > not to llvm-dev, and I'm not sure that making them received
backend-
> related
> > messages just to catch community-wide discussions is reasonable.
> > >
> > >   -Hal
> > >
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> John Criswell
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> John Criswell
> > >> Assistant Professor
> > >> Department of Computer Science, University of Rochester
> > >> http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/criswell
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> LLVM Developers mailing list
> > >> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> > >> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
> > >>
> >
> > --
> > Employee of Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc.
> > Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of Code Aurora Forum, a
> > Linux Foundation Collaborative Project
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > LLVM Developers mailing list
> > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> > http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
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