Sean Silva via llvm-dev
2016-Jul-06 01:56 UTC
[llvm-dev] Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
While building test-suite with the new PM, I ran into problems with AssertingVH being triggered which is obvious in retrospect: https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=28400 Both cases I ran into revolve around LVI which holds AssertingVH. Essentially, what happens is this: 1. LVI holds an AssertingVH pointing at a BasicBlock 2. Some other pass ends up deleting that BB (e.g. SimplifyCFG) 3. BOOM Notice that this ends up happening even though SimplifyCFG ultimately invalidates LVI. But that only happens after the AssertingVH has been triggered. We would avoid this issue in principle by just switching those AssertingVH to observing pointers, but then we would have dangling pointers. I'm pretty sure that any analysis that keeps pointers to IR is in fact ending up with dangling pointers like this. I've noticed that AssumptionCache using CallbackVH that allow it to update its data structures correctly in this case. Just using regular pointers will end up with dangling pointers in this scenario. This isn't a problem in practice since the analysis will hopefully be invalidated and stop holding the dangling pointers, but it just seems weird. Thankfully, ASan can generally catch problems if we do try to access through any of these dangling pointers. Thoughts? For the moment I have put in a workaround (r274457) that makes jump-threading invalidate LVI. -- Sean Silva -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20160705/ceeb69a2/attachment.html>
Sanjoy Das via llvm-dev
2016-Jul-12 02:51 UTC
[llvm-dev] Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
Hi Sean, Sean Silva wrote: > While building test-suite with the new PM, I ran into problems with > AssertingVH being triggered which is obvious in retrospect: > https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=28400 > > Both cases I ran into revolve around LVI which holds AssertingVH. > Essentially, what happens is this: > > 1. LVI holds an AssertingVH pointing at a BasicBlock > 2. Some other pass ends up deleting that BB (e.g. SimplifyCFG) > 3. BOOM > > Notice that this ends up happening even though SimplifyCFG ultimately > invalidates LVI. But that only happens after the AssertingVH has been > triggered. > > We would avoid this issue in principle by just switching those > AssertingVH to observing pointers, but then we would have dangling > pointers. I'm pretty sure that any analysis that keeps pointers to IR is > in fact ending up with dangling pointers like this. > > I've noticed that AssumptionCache using CallbackVH that allow it to > update its data structures correctly in this case. > > Just using regular pointers will end up with dangling pointers in this > scenario. This isn't a problem in practice since the analysis will > hopefully be invalidated and stop holding the dangling pointers, but it > just seems weird. Thankfully, ASan can generally catch problems if we do > try to access through any of these dangling pointers. But asan won't catch problems (insofar I understand how it works) if the free'ed BasicBlock is used as a key in a DenseMap or something -- if another BasicBlock gets allocated to the same location we'll end up returning bad cached results. I think the Right Solution(TM) here is to create a new wrapper around (Small)DenseMap that in debug mode uses a CallbackVH in a way that: - The map is "poisoned" if a key is deleted. - A poisoned map can only be cleared; inserting, removing or looking up elements in a poisoned map fails a assertions. If needed, we can allow erasing deleted keys from poisoned maps, but then we won't catch bugs like: M[k] = v; delete k; k1 = new Key(); // allocated to the same location as k1 M.erase(k1); // "successful" deletion. However, this quite a bit of work, and I'm not sure if the payoff will be worth it. -- Sanjoy > Thoughts? For the moment I have put in a workaround (r274457) that makes > jump-threading invalidate LVI. > > -- Sean Silva
Sean Silva via llvm-dev
2016-Jul-12 06:06 UTC
[llvm-dev] Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Sanjoy Das <sanjoy at playingwithpointers.com> wrote:> Hi Sean, > > Sean Silva wrote: > > While building test-suite with the new PM, I ran into problems with > > AssertingVH being triggered which is obvious in retrospect: > > https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=28400 > > > > Both cases I ran into revolve around LVI which holds AssertingVH. > > Essentially, what happens is this: > > > > 1. LVI holds an AssertingVH pointing at a BasicBlock > > 2. Some other pass ends up deleting that BB (e.g. SimplifyCFG) > > 3. BOOM > > > > Notice that this ends up happening even though SimplifyCFG ultimately > > invalidates LVI. But that only happens after the AssertingVH has been > > triggered. > > > > We would avoid this issue in principle by just switching those > > AssertingVH to observing pointers, but then we would have dangling > > pointers. I'm pretty sure that any analysis that keeps pointers to IR is > > in fact ending up with dangling pointers like this. > > > > I've noticed that AssumptionCache using CallbackVH that allow it to > > update its data structures correctly in this case. > > > > Just using regular pointers will end up with dangling pointers in this > > scenario. This isn't a problem in practice since the analysis will > > hopefully be invalidated and stop holding the dangling pointers, but it > > just seems weird. Thankfully, ASan can generally catch problems if we do > > try to access through any of these dangling pointers. > > But asan won't catch problems (insofar I understand how it works) if > the free'ed BasicBlock is used as a key in a DenseMap or something -- > if another BasicBlock gets allocated to the same location we'll end up > returning bad cached results. >ASan's allocator is specifically hardened against reusing memory, which mitigates this, but I'm not sure by how much (but I think by a significant amount).> > I think the Right Solution(TM) here is to create a new wrapper around > (Small)DenseMap that in debug mode uses a CallbackVH in a way that: > > - The map is "poisoned" if a key is deleted. > - A poisoned map can only be cleared; inserting, removing or looking > up elements in a poisoned map fails a assertions. > > If needed, we can allow erasing deleted keys from poisoned maps, but > then we won't catch bugs like: > > M[k] = v; > delete k; > k1 = new Key(); // allocated to the same location as k1 > M.erase(k1); // "successful" deletion. > > However, this quite a bit of work, and I'm not sure if the payoff will > be worth it.Hmm.. interesting idea but yeah that seems like a lot of work. From my basic testing, it seems like LVI is the only analysis that uses this pattern so I'm especially not sure it is worth it for a single analysis (unless we want to change more analyses to use this pattern). There's a relatively simple workaround for now which is manually invalidating LVI at the end of passes that use it (JumpThreading and CorrelatedValuePropagation). -- Sean Silva> > > -- Sanjoy > > > > Thoughts? For the moment I have put in a workaround (r274457) that makes > > jump-threading invalidate LVI. > > > > -- Sean Silva >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20160711/673ccac6/attachment.html>
Sean Silva via llvm-dev
2016-Aug-08 08:10 UTC
[llvm-dev] Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Sean Silva <chisophugis at gmail.com> wrote:> While building test-suite with the new PM, I ran into problems with > AssertingVH being triggered which is obvious in retrospect: > https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=28400 > > Both cases I ran into revolve around LVI which holds AssertingVH. > Essentially, what happens is this: > > 1. LVI holds an AssertingVH pointing at a BasicBlock > 2. Some other pass ends up deleting that BB (e.g. SimplifyCFG) > 3. BOOM > > Notice that this ends up happening even though SimplifyCFG ultimately > invalidates LVI. But that only happens after the AssertingVH has been > triggered. > > We would avoid this issue in principle by just switching those AssertingVH > to observing pointers, but then we would have dangling pointers. I'm pretty > sure that any analysis that keeps pointers to IR is in fact ending up with > dangling pointers like this. > > I've noticed that AssumptionCache using CallbackVH that allow it to update > its data structures correctly in this case. > > Just using regular pointers will end up with dangling pointers in this > scenario. This isn't a problem in practice since the analysis will > hopefully be invalidated and stop holding the dangling pointers, but it > just seems weird. Thankfully, ASan can generally catch problems if we do > try to access through any of these dangling pointers. > > Thoughts? For the moment I have put in a workaround (r274457) that makes > jump-threading invalidate LVI. >Is everybody happy with this workaround? Although I mentioned it a couple times in this thread nobody seems to have explicitly commented on it. This issue does manifest in almost any non-trivial pipeline containing affected analyses (analyses that use AssertingVH to reference pieces of IR; in particular, LazyValueInfo, ScalarEvolution, and CallGraph) and this workaround seems simple enough for the moment. One caveat I ran into is that if you ever manually `require<scalar-evolution>` (as you would before entering a loop pass manager with a loop pass that needs ScalarEvolution), you need to remember to `invalidate<scalar-evolution>` after running the loop passes to make sure it gets invalidated. -- Sean Silva> > -- Sean Silva >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20160808/d33423b8/attachment-0001.html>
Chandler Carruth via llvm-dev
2017-Jan-23 09:08 UTC
[llvm-dev] Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
This thread kinda died. I'd like to revive it. The new PM stuff is making excellent progress, and this is actually one of the last things to clean up. On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:10 AM Sean Silva <chisophugis at gmail.com> wrote:> Thoughts? For the moment I have put in a workaround (r274457) that makes > jump-threading invalidate LVI. > > > Is everybody happy with this workaround? >I wasn't too happy with it, but I had no better suggestion. As the infrastructure matured, what I think is a substantially less horrible workaround is available in the form of what I implemented in r292773. Instead of just working around this for each analysis, this works around it in GlobalDCE for *any* function analysis stashing an AssertingVH. The down side is that it only defends against *function* removal and *function* analyses. =[ This may be a tiny bit better in some senses, but in others its worse, and frankly I think it is a pretty gross hack even in the best of cases. But let's take a look at some of the cases you identified: #1: CallGraph has an asserting VH on functions. But my workaround doesn't help at all, much to my surprise afterward! Why? Well of course because CallGraph is a *module analysis*. We can't just go invalidating every module analysis every time we remove a function... :: sigh :: #2: SCEV and LVI have *basic block* asserting VHs. For some reason, all the test cases I have stem from deleting an entire function, but there is no real reason that will be the case. It seems entirely plausible to nuke a basic block out from under one of these. So no, I think we need a better answer here. After thinking about this a lot, and trying and failing to implement less awful workarounds, I think AssertingVHes embedded in analysis results in fundamentally incompatible with caching of results. The cache gets invalidated automatically but not the instant the IR gets mutated. The assert happens too soon, and things blow up. I don't think we want to force cache invalidation logic in every pass that deletes a Value. =[ So I think we should move away from AssertingVH in analysis results. If you need a more powerful debugging tool than ASan (or analogous) provides, we can build a DebugOnlyWeakVH or some such that becomes null immediately in debug builds. Or that has a asserting-only-if-used behavior rather than the eager assert we have today. But I'm inclined to build that tool when folks are first debugging something and tools like ASan are insufficient rather than eagerly. Any objections to this? I'd really like to nuke the 3 cases Sean identified in the tree (CallGraph, LVI, SCEV) and stop hacking around them. -Chandler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170123/0e190ef7/attachment.html>
Apparently Analagous Threads
- Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
- Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
- Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
- Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
- [LLVMdev] [cfe-dev] Goal for 3.5: Library-friendly headers