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Taner Sener

2008-Jun-10 13:34 UTC

[Icecast] Buffer in IceCast

Well, if it is the only option to overcome the problems I will certainly do
it,

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
wrote:
>  Ups?
>
> Is it possible to place a second (backup) streamer in another network and
> you define a fallback mount?
>
>
>
> *From:* Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:15 PM
>
> *To:* sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
> *Cc:* icecast at xiph.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
>
>
>
> Actually my IP is static,
>
> My ISP is changing the route (my path to IceCast server). It takes more
> than 10 seconds to recover also I'm loosing the connection.
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
> wrote:
>
> So you have a dynamic IP-address. Right? Did you ever thought about a
> static?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:11 PM
> *To:* sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
> *Cc:* icecast at xiph.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
>
>
>
> It happens sometimes after 3 hours, sometimes after 24 hours and lasts for
> 15-20 seconds. The problem is caused by my ISP actually and I can not do
> anything from ISP side.
>
> My client reconnects offcourse but server is playing silence during the
> failure.
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
> wrote:
>
> How long are these interrupts caused through network failure?
>
> Does your client (streamer) not reconnect automatically?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]
*On
> Behalf Of *Taner Sener
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:25 PM
> *To:* icecast at xiph.org
> *Subject:* [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to establish a radio station using Icecast but I need a
> recommendation about a problem. I hope you can give me some tips about the
> issue.
>
> My case is: my icecast server and ice cast client are in different
> locations and connection between these two is not so healthy. Sometimes
> network problems causes client to loose connection with server and this
> causes server to broadcast silence to the listeners. I want to get rid of
> this. What I wonder is if IceCast Server buffers some amount of time before
> broadcasting it to the listeners. I mean the stream data in the buffer can
> be broadcasted to listeners when connection between server and client is
> lost. I think if there is such kind of implementation it can help me on
> solving this issue.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
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Sascha Bieler

2008-Jun-10 13:40 UTC

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[Icecast] Buffer in IceCast

Well I am just a user from a radio station in germany, too. These are just
some ideas to maybe help you.

For the buffering thing you asked for you have to wait for the correct
answer of the developer.

 

Regards,

Sascha

 

From: Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:35 PM
To: sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
Cc: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast

 

Well, if it is the only option to overcome the problems I will certainly do
it, 

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
wrote:

Ups.

Is it possible to place a second (backup) streamer in another network and
you define a fallback mount?

 

From: Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:15 PM


To: sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
Cc: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast

 

Actually my IP is static, 

My ISP is changing the route (my path to IceCast server). It takes more than
10 seconds to recover also I'm loosing the connection.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
wrote:

So you have a dynamic IP-address. Right? Did you ever thought about a
static?

 

 

From: Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:11 PM
To: sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
Cc: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast

 

It happens sometimes after 3 hours, sometimes after 24 hours and lasts for
15-20 seconds. The problem is caused by my ISP actually and I can not do
anything from ISP side.

My client reconnects offcourse but server is playing silence during the
failure.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
wrote:

How long are these interrupts caused through network failure?

Does your client (streamer) not reconnect automatically?

 

 

From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf
Of Taner Sener
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:25 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast

 

Hello,

I'm trying to establish a radio station using Icecast but I need a
recommendation about a problem. I hope you can give me some tips about the
issue. 

My case is: my icecast server and ice cast client are in different locations
and connection between these two is not so healthy. Sometimes network
problems causes client to loose connection with server and this causes
server to broadcast silence to the listeners. I want to get rid of this.
What I wonder is if IceCast Server buffers some amount of time before
broadcasting it to the listeners. I mean the stream data in the buffer can
be broadcasted to listeners when connection between server and client is
lost. I think if there is such kind of implementation it can help me on
solving this issue.

Thanks,

 

 

 

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Maarten Bezemer

2008-Jun-10 13:44 UTC

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[Icecast] Buffer in IceCast

Hi,

Are you running behind an ADSL line? If so, what type of ADSL connection
(PPPoA, RFC1483 bridged), what type of router, etc.
Also the line quality (noise margin, line speed, rx/tx attenuation) may be
an important issue. If the line is indeed gone for 15-20 seconds, this
indicates a retrain/relogin of your connection. Maybe the logs from your
modem can tell you more about these outages.

I doubt it is the ISP just changing routes, since the last mile to you is
always using the same route, and re-routing anything beyond that point
will have impact on large numbers of customers. Besides, those wouldn't
take 15-20 seconds.

So, good luck with your new homework ;-)

Regards,
 Maarten


On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Taner Sener wrote:
> Well, if it is the only option to overcome the problems I will certainly do
> it,
> 
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
> wrote:
> 
> >  Ups
> >
> > Is it possible to place a second (backup) streamer in another network
and
> > you define a fallback mount?
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:15 PM
> >
> > *To:* sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
> > *Cc:* icecast at xiph.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually my IP is static,
> >
> > My ISP is changing the route (my path to IceCast server). It takes
more
> > than 10 seconds to recover also I'm loosing the connection.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > So you have a dynamic IP-address. Right? Did you ever thought about a
> > static?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:11 PM
> > *To:* sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
> > *Cc:* icecast at xiph.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
> >
> >
> >
> > It happens sometimes after 3 hours, sometimes after 24 hours and lasts
for
> > 15-20 seconds. The problem is caused by my ISP actually and I can not
do
> > anything from ISP side.
> >
> > My client reconnects offcourse but server is playing silence during
the
> > failure.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sascha Bieler <sascha.bieler at
radiogong.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > How long are these interrupts caused through network failure?
> >
> > Does your client (streamer) not reconnect automatically?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at
xiph.org] *On
> > Behalf Of *Taner Sener
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:25 PM
> > *To:* icecast at xiph.org
> > *Subject:* [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm trying to establish a radio station using Icecast but I need a
> > recommendation about a problem. I hope you can give me some tips about
the
> > issue.
> >
> > My case is: my icecast server and ice cast client are in different
> > locations and connection between these two is not so healthy.
Sometimes
> > network problems causes client to loose connection with server and
this
> > causes server to broadcast silence to the listeners. I want to get rid
of
> > this. What I wonder is if IceCast Server buffers some amount of time
before
> > broadcasting it to the listeners. I mean the stream data in the buffer
can
> > be broadcasted to listeners when connection between server and client
is
> > lost. I think if there is such kind of implementation it can help me
on
> > solving this issue.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Taner Sener

2008-Jun-10 14:13 UTC

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[Icecast] Buffer in IceCast

Hi Maarten,

Yes, I'm behind ADSL with PPPoE but I don't think it is related with my
case. When my client disconnects from IceCast server for 15-20 seconds, my
active downloads are not interrupted. It currently  effects only the route
to my IceCast server, other routes looks uneffected. I'm pinging IceCast
server continuously and checking trace route periodically. It is comething
like: my IceCast server is 6 hops far from me and when my connection
goes-gomes it becomes 8 hops far from me. Also some addresses on trace route
are not the same. This is why I see this situation as a route change.

Regards,

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Maarten Bezemer <mcbicecast at
robuust.nl>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Are you running behind an ADSL line? If so, what type of ADSL connection
> (PPPoA, RFC1483 bridged), what type of router, etc.
> Also the line quality (noise margin, line speed, rx/tx attenuation) may be
> an important issue. If the line is indeed gone for 15-20 seconds, this
> indicates a retrain/relogin of your connection. Maybe the logs from your
> modem can tell you more about these outages.
>
> I doubt it is the ISP just changing routes, since the last mile to you is
> always using the same route, and re-routing anything beyond that point
> will have impact on large numbers of customers. Besides, those wouldn't
> take 15-20 seconds.
>
> So, good luck with your new homework ;-)
>
> Regards,
>  Maarten
>
>
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Taner Sener wrote:
>
> > Well, if it is the only option to overcome the problems I will
certainly
> do
> > it,
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Sascha Bieler <
> sascha.bieler at radiogong.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >  Ups?
> > >
> > > Is it possible to place a second (backup) streamer in another
network
> and
> > > you define a fallback mount?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com]
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:15 PM
> > >
> > > *To:* sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
> > > *Cc:* icecast at xiph.org
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually my IP is static,
> > >
> > > My ISP is changing the route (my path to IceCast server). It
takes more
> > > than 10 seconds to recover also I'm loosing the connection.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Sascha Bieler <
> sascha.bieler at radiogong.de>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > So you have a dynamic IP-address. Right? Did you ever thought
about a
> > > static?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Taner Sener [mailto:tanersener at gmail.com]
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:11 PM
> > > *To:* sascha.bieler at radiogong.de
> > > *Cc:* icecast at xiph.org
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It happens sometimes after 3 hours, sometimes after 24 hours and
lasts
> for
> > > 15-20 seconds. The problem is caused by my ISP actually and I can
not
> do
> > > anything from ISP side.
> > >
> > > My client reconnects offcourse but server is playing silence
during the
> > > failure.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sascha Bieler <
> sascha.bieler at radiogong.de>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > How long are these interrupts caused through network failure?
> > >
> > > Does your client (streamer) not reconnect automatically?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at
xiph.org] *On
> > > Behalf Of *Taner Sener
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:25 PM
> > > *To:* icecast at xiph.org
> > > *Subject:* [Icecast] Buffer in IceCast
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to establish a radio station using Icecast but I
need a
> > > recommendation about a problem. I hope you can give me some tips
about
> the
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > My case is: my icecast server and ice cast client are in
different
> > > locations and connection between these two is not so healthy.
Sometimes
> > > network problems causes client to loose connection with server
and this
> > > causes server to broadcast silence to the listeners. I want to
get rid
> of
> > > this. What I wonder is if IceCast Server buffers some amount of
time
> before
> > > broadcasting it to the listeners. I mean the stream data in the
buffer
> can
> > > be broadcasted to listeners when connection between server and
client
> is
> > > lost. I think if there is such kind of implementation it can help
me on
> > > solving this issue.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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