Greetings!
I've been asked to set-up an Icecast stream / live
webcam for a small club, and I'm worried about what
kind of payments the owner would have to make to
stream the club's music over the internet.
I found this article:
<http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates_final.html>
but I still don't know what to make of it. Would we
have to pay $0.07 per song the DJ played? How about a
live performance with all original material? Does it
matter if the stream is mp3 or ogg?
Thanks for your support.
jg
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jensen galan wrote:> Greetings! > > I've been asked to set-up an Icecast stream / live > webcam for a small club, and I'm worried about what > kind of payments the owner would have to make to > stream the club's music over the internet. > > I found this article: > > <http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates_final.html> > > but I still don't know what to make of it. Would we > have to pay $0.07 per song the DJ played? How about a > live performance with all original material? Does it > matter if the stream is mp3 or ogg? > > Thanks for your support. >Check the DNA Lounge Website - Jamie Covers everything you need to know in great detail. http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/webcasting.html --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:52:38PM +0200, Jack Moffitt wrote:> > Does it matter if the stream is mp3 or ogg? > > No. It could be WAV, FLAC, or some 2-bit per sample mono format where > the music is unrecognizable. You'd still have to pay the royalties.It DOES matter if it's mp3. You have to pay the publisher royalties regardless, but in addition, there's a 2% royalty for webcasting in the mp3 format, with a $2000 annual minnumum. See http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/emd.html for the official info. Ogg Vorbis, wav, and flac are free by design and do not require this additional royalty. HTH, -r --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Thursday 22 April 2004 06:43, jensen galan wrote:> Greetings! > > I've been asked to set-up an Icecast stream / live > webcam for a small club, and I'm worried about what > kind of payments the owner would have to make to > stream the club's music over the internet. > > I found this article: > > <http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates_final.html> > > but I still don't know what to make of it. Would we > have to pay $0.07 per song the DJ played? How about a > live performance with all original material? Does it > matter if the stream is mp3 or ogg? >We can't directly help you with this - there's just not enough information. For example, you failed to note which country you're doing this in. We're generally not experts in the details of copyright licensing anyway. You're probably ok with all-original material, but <insert standard disclaimer here>. You'll generally have to pay more for mp3 streaming (because you have to pay for mp3 patent licenses to legally use it) - plus mp3 requires higher bitrates for reasonable quality, so your bandwidth costs go up. Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> However, doing something "live" and probably "underground" means that > you don't have that infrastructure, and you are probably not going to be > playing the big money FM radio hit singles either. Therefore you > probably have nothing to worry about. > > I think the letter of the law is that we all must compute and pay the > royalties. The real-world actuality is that most of us are "below > radar" for the time being. >Or get the artists to sign something to the effect that they want to be streamed. That is what we do for SXSW. -- Michael H. Collins Admiral, Penguinista Navy http://linuxlink.com http://www.gracklenews.com/ <p>/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / No HTML/RTF in email x No Word docs in email / \ Respect for open standards <p>If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough. -- Mario Andretti --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
great info on the dna lounge site, but very
discouraging.
o, basically, we would not be able to do this unless
we wanted to pay a ridiculous amount of money.
we could keep it on the down low, but this kind of
defeats the owner's purpose for the stream, as he
wanted to advertise it so potential visitors could
check it out before they come.
is there no way to make this happen? (legally)
jg
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On Apr 21, 2004, at 4:43 PM, jensen galan wrote:> Greetings! > > I've been asked to set-up an Icecast stream / live > webcam for a small club, and I'm worried about what > kind of payments the owner would have to make to > stream the club's music over the internet. >This is not legal advice... My belief and understanding is that if you are doing "radio", especially if you are doing simultaneous FM broadcast and internet broadcast, then you really have to do the bookkeeping and pay the fees. If you are streaming song artist and title with each track, then you already have some of the infrastructure in place to account for (Listeners x Tracks). However, doing something "live" and probably "underground" means that you don't have that infrastructure, and you are probably not going to be playing the big money FM radio hit singles either. Therefore you probably have nothing to worry about. I think the letter of the law is that we all must compute and pay the royalties. The real-world actuality is that most of us are "below radar" for the time being. ... that said, I stopped streaming from playlists a couple years ago because I didn't want to worry about these things, below-radar or otherwise. -M --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> I found this article: > > <http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates_final.html> > > but I still don't know what to make of it. Would we > have to pay $0.07 per song the DJ played? How about a > live performance with all original material?Also see: http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/webcasting.html I'm not sure what the rates are, but essentially you have to pay flat % royalties to ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC in the U.S. for performance royalities, but the DMCA also imposes these translations of physical reporoduction royalties for webcasts as well (normal radio doesn't have these). Of course, live performances with original music is fine as long as you have the permission of the copyright holders (usually the band).> Does it matter if the stream is mp3 or ogg?No. It could be WAV, FLAC, or some 2-bit per sample mono format where the music is unrecognizable. You'd still have to pay the royalties. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.