Hi Goeff, Thanks for your precisions. You wrote: "Internet connections are also expressed in bits, or kilobits, not Kilobytes"; then I guess a connection of 1Mb is also 1 megaBITS and NOT megaBYTES. There is something I don't understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000 concurrent listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not aware of? Thanks for clarifying this topic! MAX -----Original Message----- From: owner-icecast@xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast@xiph.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Shang Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:59 PM To: icecast@xiph.org Subject: Re: [icecast] bit/bytes On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, MacSym wrote:> A 128K stream is a 128 KiloBITS (NOT kiloBYTES) per second stream; am I > right?Right.> Is a 512k internet connection a 512 kiloBITS or 512 kiloBYTES > connection?Internet connections are also expressed in bits, or kilobits, not kilobytes. In this sense, calling it a 512k connection is actually wrong, as this implies kilobytes, not kilobits. But everyone seems to do it.> 128 KiloBITS = 16 KiloBYTES (8 bits = 1 byte). I am wondering if a 512k > connection (upload and download) could THEORITICALLY handle 4 (512/128) or > 32 (512/16) 128k streams?Unfortunately it's 4, not 32.> I am confused because I often read that to calculate the potential numberof> listeners with a given connection; you just divide the connection speed by > the stream bit rate... is it true? In this case, how is doing SomaFM to > handle 4000 listeners at 128k?? Do they have a 512 MB connection???I guess they must. Geoff. <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000 concurrent > listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not aware > of?1st) I wouldnt call a radio with 1000 Listeners a small radio. That would be a rather impressive one. IIRC there was no Radio using Icecast that has more then 100 or 200 concurrent listeners. 2nd) One solution is sever housing or renting a ready server. Then you pay for the housing + Traffic exceeding the traffic included in the basic fee. As for Icecast2 I'd call radio stations that have an _average_ of more then 20 listeners medium and radio stations with more than 50 very successful. (note this implies max listeners of 50/300 and down to 5/10 at night) Just my 2cc Regards Thomas PS: For listener Stats look at shoutcast.com - there you'll note an e^(1/x) distribution of listener counts. Only few have more than 100/200 listeners. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Hi Thomas, By "small radios" I was meaning "small companies". It's why I am impressed they can afford so expensive connections... Cheers, MAX -----Original Message----- From: owner-icecast@xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast@xiph.org] On Behalf Of Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:50 PM To: icecast@xiph.org Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes> understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000 concurrent > listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not aware > of?1st) I wouldnt call a radio with 1000 Listeners a small radio. That would be a rather impressive one. IIRC there was no Radio using Icecast that has more then 100 or 200 concurrent listeners. 2nd) One solution is sever housing or renting a ready server. Then you pay for the housing + Traffic exceeding the traffic included in the basic fee. As for Icecast2 I'd call radio stations that have an _average_ of more then 20 listeners medium and radio stations with more than 50 very successful. (note this implies max listeners of 50/300 and down to 5/10 at night) Just my 2cc Regards Thomas PS: For listener Stats look at shoutcast.com - there you'll note an e^(1/x) distribution of listener counts. Only few have more than 100/200 listeners. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.