* Stefan Neufeind <stefan@neufeind.net> shaped the electrons to say...> > ices 0.3 outputs MP3, not Vorbis. For Vorbis you will need ices > > 2. We know this is confusing, so ices 0.x will probably have a new > > name for the next release. Ideas? > > I'm glad to hear that 0.x is still maintained and, as it seems, still > updates. Well, but why don't you just integrate 2.x and 0.x into each > other, I mean, use 2.x as a "major brandnew rewrite" of 0.x and > simply add MP3-support (just an option to link against lame) to 2.x? > It would be up to every user if he / she wants to live with the legal > "problems" connected with MP3 or not. But where's the problem? Does > maintaining two separate tools doing almost the same make that much > sence? > > Just my 2 cents. Sorry if it might sound aggressive, wasn't intended!I quite agree - it's frustrating to be able to use software that's almost there, then have all the development move to a format that 90% of the applications/embedded systems don't yet support. -D -- If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 02:27:01PM -0700, Dan Sully wrote:> > I quite agree - it's frustrating to be able to use software that's > almost there, then have all the development move to a format that 90% > of the applications/embedded systems don't yet support.I'm sorry, but >90% of software does support Ogg. Welcome to the 21st century. <p> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20030713/2ef9987a/part.pgp
* Arc <arc@indymedia.org> shaped the electrons to say...> > I quite agree - it's frustrating to be able to use software that's > > almost there, then have all the development move to a format that 90% > > of the applications/embedded systems don't yet support. > > I'm sorry, but >90% of software does support Ogg.You mean all those embedded hardware platforms with dedicated MP3 decoders on them? Maybe if you're on a pee-cee and want to download winamp/xmms, then yes. -D -- If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:28:12PM -0400, Arc wrote:> On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 02:27:01PM -0700, Dan Sully wrote: > > > > I quite agree - it's frustrating to be able to use software that's > > almost there, then have all the development move to a format that 90% > > of the applications/embedded systems don't yet support. > > I'm sorry, but >90% of software does support Ogg.One thing that is *not* accelerating the adoption of ogg is this kind of attitude. I run an online radio station. We're drooling to move to ogg, but there are major tradeoffs: - Most listeners will have to upgrade to a new client or install a plugin. - Most WinAMPers connect with v.3, which won't work with ogg principally because the icecast developers make no concessions for its mistaken mime-typing. - Mac users have to give up iTunes and install Whamb. - Effectively no hardware device support. I realize all this is changing, and I'm doing whatever I can to get it there, but you can only force new standards and technologies on people if you're Steve Jobs. Others should be as accomodating as possible. <p>> Welcome to the 21st century. Welcome...to the real world. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20030714/2f22ddcf/part.pgp