Hi list, This might not be the right list to bring this subject up on, however I thought it might be a good place to start. What are the current legalities in relation to non commercial music streams, or more accurately put non profit streams, and is this currently being seriously policed? Basically I am wanting to start up my own online station, but I don't really want to get my butt kicked and a huge fine dropped on top of me, so thought it would be worth checking it out first. I do note that if you stream on live365 they cover your royalties for you, $200 per month for 100 listeners??? and it is only up to 56k in mp3 format, they don't offer ogg as an option. What are the general thoughts surrounding this subject? As always, all feedback very welcome. <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> This might not be the right list to bring this subject up on, however I > thought it might be a good place to start.It is discussed here from time to time.> What are the current legalities in relation to non commercial music > streams, or more accurately put non profit streams, and is this > currently being seriously policed?Yes it is being seriously policed. This is controlled by copyright law; there are three companies that basically control all music copyrights; ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC. From what I understand, you will need a "compulsory" license from each, and they now have additional royalty payments and reporting requirements for the songs you play. jwz had a good write-up of this (before the big royalty agreement though). It's a must-read: http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/webcasting.html The only way I have found around this is to play music that is "legally tradeable", e.g. live phish, dead, metallica, etc who allow you to share electronic copies. If you use their music this way, then there can be no revenue of any kind; even a banner ad will get you in trouble. It's painful. Basically it is designed to keep the hobbyists out. Copyrights should be a lot shorter, and should never be allowed to be owned by a corporation... works for hire should have different, and even shorter, terms. Mark --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Where would you find out who's in charge of this in the country you're in (other than just doing it and waiting for letters from lawyers ;) ). Thanks Hans Remco B. Brink wrote:><quote who="Mitchell Smith"> > > > >>What are the general thoughts surrounding this subject? >> >> > >Strongly depends on what country you are streaming from. > >The Netherlands is *insanely* expensive, Norway will let you stream for >little over $40 USD a month. > >The US probably has some other rules and regulations. > >regards, >Remco > > ><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On 11 Jun 2003 at 17:19, Remco B. Brink wrote:> <quote who="Mitchell Smith"> > > > What are the general thoughts surrounding this subject? > > Strongly depends on what country you are streaming from. > > The Netherlands is *insanely* expensive, Norway will let you stream > for little over $40 USD a month. > > The US probably has some other rules and regulations.Well, here in Germany its far easier than in the US: In the US afaik you have to get the legal right for every song you want to broadcast. That's much easier here. But in comparison to the Netherlands its quite expensive in Germany: All I remember is about 30 Euros or so for GEMA and the same fee again for some other organisation. This allows you to stream 24 hours a day, 100% music and max. 20 concurrent listeners. If you need more slots or want to open a second channel they charge additional fees. But you can do some calculations like only 12 hours a day but 40 listeners or so. Or just 80% music (rest: word) and so on. But you will never get below this "entry price" of 2x 30 Euros or so. As you see: It's a lot better here than in other countries but still to expensive for "home-use" :-((( --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
<quote who="Mitchell Smith">> What are the general thoughts surrounding this subject?Strongly depends on what country you are streaming from. The Netherlands is *insanely* expensive, Norway will let you stream for little over $40 USD a month. The US probably has some other rules and regulations. regards, Remco -- Remco B. Brink -- Information Systems Developer, Opera Software ASA Personal site at http://rc6.org - PGP key at http://rc6.org/rbb.pgp --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.