Behold, gtgbr@gmx.net hath decreed:> > Well, I think saying that Xiph.org doesn't care about its users at all > is too harsh. On the other hand, there's some truth in this, and I > highly appreciate it. If you want to stick to MP3, Icecast1 is for you - > nobody forces you to use it (or not), and you're also free to use > something else. Xiph.org, i.e. Jack Moffitt, made it for themselves a > few years ago and people found it useful. Now they're working on > something better. Why complain? If they'd care about every single user > wish, they'd get nothing done.My complaint is not what Jack Moffitt or anyone else chooses to spend their free time working on. My complaint is the complete lack of any kind of notice about icecast2, in light of the continuing (albeit out of date) existence of information on icecast1, including how to download it and install it, from icecast.org. That, coupled with an obvious disdain for icecast1 on this mailing list (which is, after all, the user support mailing list). The only reply that seems to be meeted out is "go get icecast2". Oh yeah? Well icecast2 does not seem to be ready to replace icecast1. So if it is not replacing icecast1, then why so much disdain for icecast1 users on this list?> > If other users tell you that you suck because you use Icecast1, ignore > them. We're talking technology, not religion. If getting free support > for Icecast1 is harder than getting help with Icecast2, it's because > more people on this list are interested in Icecast2. I heard Xiph.org > will gladly refund what you paid for Icecast1 support if you're not > satisfied. It's not Xiph.org's job to advocate their stuff either. If > you like something they made, tell others about it. If you don't, tell > others, too (if you care) ... just stick to facts in any case.So xiph.org is not in any way interested in developing projects that are useful to people? So can I take that to imply that the Ogg projects, the Paranoia projects, etc. are simply academic exercises, and the developers on them aren't interested in knowing whether or not they work for anyone else, or what anyone else might be interested in getting to work? That's good to know. Not the best way to convince me and others to put time and effort into any of those projects, so thanks, you may have saved me some time and effort. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20021228/8909f3c3/part.pgp
Behold, gtgbr@gmx.net hath decreed:> > http://www.xiph.org/about.htmlNote also the paragraph at http://www.xiph.org/ : "Xiph.Org Foundation is a non-profit corporation dedicated to protecting the foundations of Internet multimedia from control by private interests. Our purpose is to support and develop free, open protocols and software to serve the public, developer and business markets." Well, wrt the icecast project (version 1,2 or N), if Xiph.Org is truly interested in supporting and development of "free, open protocols and software to serve the public, developer and business markets", then they better clean up the icecast.org webpage to have some recent info, stop calling icecast1 obsolete when icecast2 is not yet released (not counting alpha releases)- even if no one is actively working on it- and stop taking an extremely condescending view upon all those who dare offer up criticism. *If*, however, those in charge of the icecast project aren't really interested in those things, then perhaps they should either (a) not be a part of Xiph.Org or (b) get Xiph.Org to change their mission statement. I doubt that's the case, my guess is there is just a few developers who want to work on icecast2, and don't want to be bothered with other details, which is why projects like this have maintainers who aren't necessarily the core developers, but rather oversee the project from all angles including development, bug-tracking, web-presence, media, etc. Is this what is missing? Will somebody admit to it? -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20021230/e9965c1a/part.pgp
Aaron Gaudio wrote:> So xiph.org is not in any way interested in developing projects that > are useful to people? So can I take that to imply that the Ogg projects, > the Paranoia projects, etc. are simply academic exercises, and the > developers on them aren't interested in knowing whether or not they > work for anyone else, or what anyone else might be interested in > getting to work? That's good to know. Not the best way to convince > me and others to put time and effort into any of those projects, so > thanks, you may have saved me some time and effort.http://www.xiph.org/about.html http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/hardware.html (first paragraph) <p>Moritz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.