Icecast - Aug 2004 - [thomas@arkena.com: [vorbis] mp3pro and the mp3 streaming license]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> Do you have any ads on your site?  That's probably streaming related
> revenue.
Agh... this came in while I was writing my response.  
> Maybe you won't have to pay, but someone is going to eat 2% in most
> cases.
Yup.

Sean...


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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> Maybe you won't have to pay, but someone is going to eat 2% in most
> cases.
What's the latest on Fraunhofer's veiled threats about encroaching on
their IP with the Ogg Vorbis technology?  I've not heard of anything, but
that does not mean nothing is going on.  Have they made any type of
move?  Or did they decided a lawsuit would push people away from mp3
quickly?  

Sean...


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> I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not charging anything. 
As
> mentioned, the royalties to record labels still stand if you don't
follow
> the rules, but this will be true regardless of the format 
> (mp3/vorbis/whatever.)
Do you have any ads on your site?  That's probably streaming related
revenue.

Do you list on shoutcast.com?  There's definately stremaing related
revenue there.

Do you broadcast through live365?  DEFINATELY streaming related revenue.

Maybe you won't have to pay, but someone is going to eat 2% in most
cases.

jack.

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At 13:28 6/9/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>Do you have any ads on your site?  That's probably streaming related
>revenue.
Nope.
>Do you list on shoutcast.com?  There's definately stremaing related
>revenue there.
Yes, but the revenue is not coming to me.
>Do you broadcast through live365?  DEFINATELY streaming related revenue.
See above.
>Maybe you won't have to pay, but someone is going to eat 2% in most
>cases.
I agree with that much of it, but that doesn't seem to me like such a
"bad"
deal.  I applaud the vorbis effort, don't get me wrong, but I don't
think
it's evil for Frauhofer/IIS to charge people who want to use their 
technology if they're using it for profit.  It may be ugly and unsavory, 
but it's nothing to get terribly upset over.  I think it'd be far more 
outrageous if they did decide to charge those of us that just stream for 
free, totally out of pocket.

At the very least, it'll be interesting to see if Frauhofer sues the RIAA 
members over providing (for pay) mp3s on the internet.. and if they could 
make a case that the sales generated in stores are a direct result of the 
wide dispersal pattern of the mp3s.  I don't like to see one person suing 
another over anything, but it'd be a good laugh to watch the RIAA take it 
in the arse. ;)

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> I agree with that much of it, but that doesn't seem to me like such a
"bad"
> deal.  I applaud the vorbis effort, don't get me wrong, but I don't
think
> it's evil for Frauhofer/IIS to charge people who want to use their 
> technology if they're using it for profit.  It may be ugly and
unsavory,
> but it's nothing to get terribly upset over.  I think it'd be far
more
> outrageous if they did decide to charge those of us that just stream for 
> free, totally out of pocket.
So uh, you think it's worth more for mp3, than the actual music
involved?

Come on.

You think it would be nice if Netscape charged 2% of all website
royalties for HTML, etc?

I think it's fine that fraunhofer charges money for their code, but this
is different.

They charge you for the tools they provide.

You have to pay for tool makers to pay royalties for tools Fraunhofer
DOESN'T make.

You ahve to pay to stream the content you already created with a tool
you already paid for.

How many times do you think they should get paid?  it's not like they
wrote any of the streaming media servers.  It's not like any of the
content that's encoded is theirs.  And hell, they didn't even write most
of the mp3 code people are using.

They just happened to be the first to submit a patent application, even
though most of their ideas are aren't that notable.  (See their patent
on joint stereo, which is try both ways, see which is better...  come
one, any 5 year old has that logic already mastered).

jack.

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