Icecast - Aug 2004 - [thomas@arkena.com: [vorbis] mp3pro and the mp3 streaming license]

>You should post this hear, as it's just as relevant ;)
   >
   >Hey guys, how do you feel now that you all owe Thompson $2k per year?
   >Vorbis look more interesting now :)
   >
   >It's really disgusting how the technology is now worth more than the
   >music.

   It should be noted that this fee applies only if you are delivering in mp3 
   format "for profit."  If you're doing it for free, you
don't have to pay
   them a dime.. from the quoted URL...

I thought the minimum was $2,000.

If you are streaming "for fun" instead of for profit, will the RIAA
give you a hard time (assuming you don't allow selectable songs, or
more than 3 from the same CD per hour), or is that free too?

Mark

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Great Jack,. I read your article in Streaming Media Mag several months ago. I
new this was coming. Where do I start. I have been doing Shoutcast and
apparently AOL pays for the licensing but for how long. I would like to start
learning how to do icecast.
My server is FreeBSD. Where do I start?

Jack Moffitt wrote:
> Thomas,
>
> You should post this hear, as it's just as relevant ;)
>
> Hey guys, how do you feel now that you all owe Thompson $2k per year?
> Vorbis look more interesting now :)
>
> It's really disgusting how the technology is now worth more than the
> music.
>
> jack.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Thomas Kirk <thomas@arkena.com> -----
>
> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:58:23 +0200
> From: Thomas Kirk <thomas@arkena.com>
> To: vorbis@xiph.org
> Subject: [vorbis] mp3pro and the mp3 streaming license
>
> Fraunhofer and Thomson Multimedia release their new mp3pro codec
> and new  licenseconditions for streaming mp3 :
>
> http://www.techreview.com/web/kiang/kiang060701.asp
>
> My comment is that the licensecharge isnt frighting compared
> to what we broadcaster pays in musicroyalties allready. Is this
> what you feared jack? :)
>
>
>
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Hi all:  I was just wondering when the multiple streams stuff might be
checked in to cvs.  I remember the gentleman working on it saying he
basically had it running?  The reason I'm asking is that I have
received a number of requests to stream my mp3 stream at various
bitrates.  I kind of think running three ices streamers is silly if
multiple streams will be available in the near future.

Another question is the ices2.x cvs the same as for ices1.x and if so
what is the module name?

Will ices2.x be able to reencode either ogg or mp3 files?  It would be
nice if I could start mixing vorbis material in with my mp3 without
having to start all over.

And one other point, which isn't a question at all, I believe Jack or
someone mentioned that ices didn't work with the current lame 3.89.  I
have successfully compiled ices with the current lame cvs.  All that
need be done is either change the #include <lame.h> in reencode.c to
#include <lame/lame.h> or make a symlink in /usr/include to point to
the lame.h in the lame subdirectory.

Anyway, thanx to anyone that takes the time to answer my above
questions.

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Thomas, 

You should post this hear, as it's just as relevant ;)

Hey guys, how do you feel now that you all owe Thompson $2k per year?
Vorbis look more interesting now :)

It's really disgusting how the technology is now worth more than the
music.

jack.

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:58:23 +0200
From: Thomas Kirk <thomas@arkena.com>
To: vorbis@xiph.org
Subject: [vorbis] mp3pro and the mp3 streaming license

Fraunhofer and Thomson Multimedia release their new mp3pro codec
and new  licenseconditions for streaming mp3 :

http://www.techreview.com/web/kiang/kiang060701.asp

My comment is that the licensecharge isnt frighting compared
to what we broadcaster pays in musicroyalties allready. Is this
what you feared jack? :)

  


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At 09:52 6/9/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>Thomas,
>
>You should post this hear, as it's just as relevant ;)
>
>Hey guys, how do you feel now that you all owe Thompson $2k per year?
>Vorbis look more interesting now :)
>
>It's really disgusting how the technology is now worth more than the
>music.
It should be noted that this fee applies only if you are delivering in mp3 
format "for profit."  If you're doing it for free, you don't
have to pay
them a dime.. from the quoted URL...


----
"If MP3 is used for free distribution on the Internet, we will not charge 
royalties," he says. But "if people monetize, the inventors should
have
their fair share," he adds.
----

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not charging anything.  As 
mentioned, the royalties to record labels still stand if you don't follow 
the rules, but this will be true regardless of the format 
(mp3/vorbis/whatever.)

-Asym

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Asymmetric wrote:
> It should be noted that this fee applies only if you are delivering in mp3 
> format "for profit."  If you're doing it for free, you
don't have to pay
> them a dime.. from the quoted URL...
> 
> ----
> "If MP3 is used for free distribution on the Internet, we will not
charge
> royalties," he says. But "if people monetize, the inventors
should have
> their fair share," he adds.
> ----
> 
> I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not charging anything.
Alright, so I don't charge for the stream.  Does not the sales of
advertisement go against this statement, in particular that last line?  I
might not charge, but I charge advertisers.  Technically the stream is not
"free" then is it not?  I realize this is a fine line (splitting
hairs),
but does anyone honestly think Thompson is going to let people making
money on something that is free to consumers stand?  

Sean...


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I just started setting up icecast again, after having my dsl down due to 
the northpoint virus.. this time I did the ./configure --with-crypt 
option.  According to the comments in the config file, I also need to 
compile the "included" mkpasswd.c.  Well, in the 1.3.10 tarball, there
is
no mkpasswd.c, no mkpasswd*, not even anything *pass*.. any ideas on where 
else this may be?

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> I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not charging anything. 
As
> mentioned, the royalties to record labels still stand if you don't
follow
> the rules, but this will be true regardless of the format 
> (mp3/vorbis/whatever.)
Do you have any ads on your site?  That's probably streaming related
revenue.

Do you list on shoutcast.com?  There's definately stremaing related
revenue there.

Do you broadcast through live365?  DEFINATELY streaming related revenue.

Maybe you won't have to pay, but someone is going to eat 2% in most
cases.

jack.

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On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:52:18AM -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> You should post this hear, as it's just as relevant ;)
You are right jack im sorry :)
> 
> Hey guys, how do you feel now that you all owe Thompson $2k per year?
> Vorbis look more interesting now :)
Indeed it does and im on my way makeing a plan of implementation
for our radiostations!
Long live Ogg Vorbis! ;-)
> 
> It's really disgusting how the technology is now worth more than the
> music.
Again true! Allthough im working in the technologybuisness ;-) I think
one could say it has to be fair to all parts.


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