Icecast dev - Aug 2004 - Connecting to yp.shoutcast.com

Mike hodson <mystica@darktech.org> writes:
> Might I ask -how- precisely they banned all icecast servers.
Perhaps the real question you should ask is..."should" anyone worry
about this at all?

Personally speaking, I've been streaming for quite a while (barring a
few networking problems) and I've always seen the same behavior from
the shoutcast (Nullsoft) people. Namely, they have a history of
repeatedly changing -something- about their protocol so that icecast
cannot list on their servers. Recently, Nullsoft has (finally)
expressed their desire to exclude icecast from their lists.

Political speculation aside, it's quite clear we are not wanted there.
While I sympathize with those hardy engineers who have to implement
according to the hypnotic marketing suggestion that "shoutcast.com is
the place to list", I don't think continuing to get ourselves listed
there is going to be productive at all. It's a game of escalation. 
> Is it in the way a shoutcast server replies, queries, or what? Cos
> if all it needs is a few strings changed, I need to know.. I am
> faced with setting up a shoutcast stream on a ..lovely.. cobalt RaQ
> server with libc5 on a MIPS. The stipulatino is that i need to have
> it announce on shoutcast.com.. Which is a severe problem for me :(
If you want to do this, you'll have to download their server and
configure it on a box they support. Then you'll have to tcpdump the
connections it makes and watch the traffic they send to their YP.
That will give you an idea of what needs to be changed. 
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:37:40PM -0800, Dave Hayes wrote:
> Personally speaking, I've been streaming for quite a while (barring a
> few networking problems) and I've always seen the same behavior from
> the shoutcast (Nullsoft) people. Namely, they have a history of
> repeatedly changing -something- about their protocol so that icecast
> cannot list on their servers. Recently, Nullsoft has (finally)
> expressed their desire to exclude icecast from their lists.
Im looking forward to the new dirctory stuff jack has been working
on. As i understand and please correct me jack if im wrong, the
new directoryserver will be able to run on diffrent servers around the
world creating not only one but more places to announce
streams/stations. All in all a better solution instead of having on
shoutcast.com we could have lots of small shoutcast.com's. Hell we
could even let icecastservers use the directorystuff jack is working
on? If its possible (havn't looked at shoutcast server for ages ;-))
> Political speculation aside, it's quite clear we are not wanted there.
> While I sympathize with those hardy engineers who have to implement
> according to the hypnotic marketing suggestion that "shoutcast.com is
> the place to list", I don't think continuing to get ourselves
listed
> there is going to be productive at all. It's a game of escalation. 
Exactly! So i say lets go create our own directorylistnings.

just my 0.02$ 


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