First of all, Exchange is a complete solution. Dovecot is a imap/pop3 server ( a good one, sure... ) So replacing exchange means to find an integrated solution. about the questions: public folder was removed in exchange. IMHO they made the right choice :) There is a different thing, need different tools and different client app. You can create shared mailboxes ( i think it's a little demand for that, but yes) Sieve rules should work ( never tried actually) I can see a need for an integration with folders only when you work with webmail (like roundcube) . In this? scenario ( a liitle bit like gmail) is good to see the folders and attach them ( or save) I use the kolab plugins for roundcube and there is a sort of integration between the chwala ( files plugin) and any webdav capable file server ( I use owncloud/nextcloud). So you can share files, edit etc using owncloud but also attach them and save them from webmail. You can find a lot of plugins in owncloud to deal with files, even editing with onlyoffice . IMHO, that's the way, there is no need to create a client app to deal with all; maybe other people will not agree but... On 5/9/20 1:07 PM, Marc Roos wrote:> > My, my, did not expect this discussion. It is our own fault we are stuck > with google and microsoft monopolies. If small companies would combine > effort (resources and cash) and would not reinvent/create the wheel > constantly on our own little islands, we would have much better > products. So respect for the dovecot team. > > The reason I am asking is that, the public folder solution is not as it > was in 2000. Exchange 2016+ do not support CDO etc. Nobody transitioned > between the two? > > 1. public folder can be implemented with a public mailbox? > > 2. authorize users via groups access to mailboxes/folders of the public > folder/mailbox. I think I saw ACL's with dovecot, does this compare to > 'folder permissions' > > 3. is it possible with sieve to apply a rule on any mailbox/folder? > Thus if I 'drag' a message to a folder, the sieve rule is activated? > >
I was wondering about the sieve rules, because I thought they were executed during mail delivery in the lmtp process. You can also 'guess' this a bit from syntax of the rules or the single file they are stored in. Thus if you 'drag' messages between folders, they are not executed. Off topic: I know Exchange is a different solution. What I think is stupid, is that they store mail in a database still. Making it difficult to scale. (I wonder if they have such solution in their cloud) Better would be per user of course. I also do not like that they try and push users to their cloud with all this 365 advertising in the on premises solution. Sooner or later on premises will be gone. Public folder is not removed, they were thinking of it, and community complained (afaik), so they kept it, still there in 2019. (although changed) -----Original Message----- From: MIhai Badici [mailto:mihai at badici.ro] Sent: 09 May 2020 12:32 To: dovecot at dovecot.org Subject: Re: Ms Exchange vs dovecot First of all, Exchange is a complete solution. Dovecot is a imap/pop3 server ( a good one, sure... ) So replacing exchange means to find an integrated solution. about the questions: public folder was removed in exchange. IMHO they made the right choice :) There is a different thing, need different tools and different client app. You can create shared mailboxes ( i think it's a little demand for that, but yes) Sieve rules should work ( never tried actually) I can see a need for an integration with folders only when you work with webmail (like roundcube) . In this? scenario ( a liitle bit like gmail) is good to see the folders and attach them ( or save) I use the kolab plugins for roundcube and there is a sort of integration between the chwala ( files plugin) and any webdav capable file server ( I use owncloud/nextcloud). So you can share files, edit etc using owncloud but also attach them and save them from webmail. You can find a lot of plugins in owncloud to deal with files, even editing with onlyoffice . IMHO, that's the way, there is no need to create a client app to deal with all; maybe other people will not agree but... On 5/9/20 1:07 PM, Marc Roos wrote:> > My, my, did not expect this discussion. It is our own fault we are > stuck with google and microsoft monopolies. If small companies would > combine effort (resources and cash) and would not reinvent/create the > wheel constantly on our own little islands, we would have much better > products. So respect for the dovecot team. > > The reason I am asking is that, the public folder solution is not as > it was in 2000. Exchange 2016+ do not support CDO etc. Nobody > transitioned between the two? > > 1. public folder can be implemented with a public mailbox? > > 2. authorize users via groups access to mailboxes/folders of the > public folder/mailbox. I think I saw ACL's with dovecot, does this > compare to 'folder permissions' > > 3. is it possible with sieve to apply a rule on any mailbox/folder? > Thus if I 'drag' a message to a folder, the sieve rule is activated? > >
On May 9, 2020 1:21:09 PM GMT+02:00, Marc Roos <M.Roos at f1-outsourcing.eu> wrote:> > >I was wondering about the sieve rules, because I thought they were >executed during mail delivery in the lmtp process. You can also 'guess' > >this a bit from syntax of the rules or the single file they are stored >in. Thus if you 'drag' messages between folders, they are not executed. >There is IMAP sieve that can execute a sieve script after an IMAP event. See https://wiki.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve/Plugins/IMAPSieve> >Off topic: >I know Exchange is a different solution. What I think is stupid, is >that >they store mail in a database still. Making it difficult to scale. (I >wonder if they have such solution in their cloud) Better would be per >user of course. I also do not like that they try and push users to >their >cloud with all this 365 advertising in the on premises solution. Sooner > >or later on premises will be gone. > >Public folder is not removed, they were thinking of it, and community >complained (afaik), so they kept it, still there in 2019. (although >changed) > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: MIhai Badici [mailto:mihai at badici.ro] >Sent: 09 May 2020 12:32 >To: dovecot at dovecot.org >Subject: Re: Ms Exchange vs dovecot > >First of all, Exchange is a complete solution. Dovecot is a imap/pop3 >server ( a good one, sure... ) > >So replacing exchange means to find an integrated solution. > >about the questions: public folder was removed in exchange. IMHO they >made the right choice :) > >There is a different thing, need different tools and different client >app. You can create shared mailboxes ( i think it's a little demand for > >that, but yes) > >Sieve rules should work ( never tried actually) > >I can see a need for an integration with folders only when you work >with >webmail (like roundcube) . In this? scenario ( a liitle bit like gmail) > >is good to see the folders and attach them ( or save) > >I use the kolab plugins for roundcube and there is a sort of >integration >between the chwala ( files plugin) and any webdav capable file server ( > >I use owncloud/nextcloud). So you can share files, edit etc using >owncloud but also attach them and save them from webmail. You can find >a >lot of plugins in owncloud to deal with files, even editing with >onlyoffice . IMHO, that's the way, there is no need to create a client >app to deal with all; maybe other people will not agree but... > > > >On 5/9/20 1:07 PM, Marc Roos wrote: >> >> My, my, did not expect this discussion. It is our own fault we are >> stuck with google and microsoft monopolies. If small companies would >> combine effort (resources and cash) and would not reinvent/create the > >> wheel constantly on our own little islands, we would have much better > >> products. So respect for the dovecot team. >> >> The reason I am asking is that, the public folder solution is not as >> it was in 2000. Exchange 2016+ do not support CDO etc. Nobody >> transitioned between the two? >> >> 1. public folder can be implemented with a public mailbox? >> >> 2. authorize users via groups access to mailboxes/folders of the >> public folder/mailbox. I think I saw ACL's with dovecot, does this >> compare to 'folder permissions' >> >> 3. is it possible with sieve to apply a rule on any mailbox/folder? >> Thus if I 'drag' a message to a folder, the sieve rule is activated? >> >>-- Christian Kivalo