On 10/17/19 4:08 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:> On 9/24/19 2:41 PM, Frank Cox wrote: >> Without wanting to sound too pushy, I'm wondering if there is any update on the status of Mate now that Centos 8 has been released? >> >> I would love to jump on C8 and start playing with it, but the lack of Mate is kind of a showstopper for me at the moment. >> > > Is gnome3 really that bad :DYes, it is. My main reason is this (it has to do with me starting with Windows 3.1 and those functionalities are in Windows even today I have to use and support at work): 1. All tray icons are visible so I can see if message or mail comes without need to move more then eyeball. 2. I can put icon on a desktop, document or link to app. 3. I can easily see all open apps and swith to them using mouse 4. I can put links to panel in top/bottom of the screen, visible and easily accessible. 5. I want easily visible and accessible multiple workspaces I can switch to. I like separate opened apps several per workspace custered for a specifig (simultanious) job/task, Firefox in one Krusader in another, VM i third, something else in forth...Then I can switch between apps IN THAT workspace, I do not have to choose from dozes of windows (like with Alt+Tab) If Gnome 3 (Classic) can be configured to do such things in one go (chosing a theme "Gnome 2") I would switch to it.> > I decided to just bite the bullet and shift to real gnome3 (and not the > classic) about 4 years ago. It waas different and took some time to > learn .. BUT .. I can do everything I need to do now. > > I like both mate and cinnamon .. so I am not knocking either one. I just > think people might be well server switching to a 'supported' desktop in > the longer run. > > Again .. don't get me wrong .. it's open source, so do what makes you > happy :D > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >-- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant
you should give gnome3 some time. Here is the thing. At the beginning i disliked gnome3. I tried it for 1 or 2 days and then i turned to xfce. I started using gnome3 when one of my friends said that it is usable if you get use to it. I also considered the fact that desktop environments like xfce have a small development team and they delay to transits to new technologies. I gave a try to gnome3 for a couple of weeks and it works fine. I dont even considering changing back. On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 12:04 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:> On 10/17/19 4:08 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > On 9/24/19 2:41 PM, Frank Cox wrote: > > > Without wanting to sound too pushy, I'm wondering if there is any > > > update on the status of Mate now that Centos 8 has been released? > > > > > > I would love to jump on C8 and start playing with it, but the > > > lack of Mate is kind of a showstopper for me at the moment. > > > > > > > Is gnome3 really that bad :D > > Yes, it is. > > My main reason is this (it has to do with me starting with Windows > 3.1 > and those functionalities are in Windows even today I have to use and > support at work): > 1. All tray icons are visible so I can see if message or mail > comes without need to move more then eyeball. > 2. I can put icon on a desktop, document or link to app. > 3. I can easily see all open apps and swith to them using mouse > 4. I can put links to panel in top/bottom of the screen, visible and > easily accessible. > 5. I want easily visible and accessible multiple workspaces I can > switch > to. I like separate opened apps several per workspace custered for a > specifig (simultanious) job/task, Firefox in one Krusader in another, > VM > i third, something else in forth...Then I can switch between apps IN > THAT workspace, I do not have to choose from dozes of windows (like > with > Alt+Tab) > > If Gnome 3 (Classic) can be configured to do such things in one go > (chosing a theme "Gnome 2") I would switch to it. > > > > > I decided to just bite the bullet and shift to real gnome3 (and not > > the > > classic) about 4 years ago. It waas different and took some time > > to > > learn .. BUT .. I can do everything I need to do now. > > > > I like both mate and cinnamon .. so I am not knocking either one. I > > just > > think people might be well server switching to a 'supported' > > desktop in > > the longer run. > > > > Again .. don't get me wrong .. it's open source, so do what makes > > you > > happy :D > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CentOS mailing list > > CentOS at centos.org > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > >
On 2019-10-18 05:04, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:> On 10/17/19 4:08 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 9/24/19 2:41 PM, Frank Cox wrote: >>> Without wanting to sound too pushy, I'm wondering if there is any update on the status of Mate now that Centos 8 has been released? >>> >>> I would love to jump on C8 and start playing with it, but the lack of Mate is kind of a showstopper for me at the moment. >>> >> >> Is gnome3 really that bad :D > > Yes, it is. > > My main reason is this (it has to do with me starting with Windows 3.1 > and those functionalities are in Windows even today I have to use and > support at work): > 1. All tray icons are visible so I can see if message or mail > comes without need to move more then eyeball. > 2. I can put icon on a desktop, document or link to app. > 3. I can easily see all open apps and swith to them using mouse > 4. I can put links to panel in top/bottom of the screen, visible and > easily accessible. > 5. I want easily visible and accessible multiple workspaces I can switch > to. I like separate opened apps several per workspace custered for a > specifig (simultanious) job/task, Firefox in one Krusader in another, VM > i third, something else in forth...Then I can switch between apps IN > THAT workspace, I do not have to choose from dozes of windows (like with > Alt+Tab)And last but not least: I got used to some way of interaction with computer, and that way is most productive for me after very long use. I don't want to blend in iPad generation, I want to stay productive which I am. So, I use Mutt (on FreeBSD, which my workstation runs, it is so easy and straightforward to install and maintain Mutt). Just my $0.02. Valeri> > If Gnome 3 (Classic) can be configured to do such things in one go > (chosing a theme "Gnome 2") I would switch to it. > > > >> >> I decided to just bite the bullet and shift to real gnome3 (and not the >> classic) about 4 years ago. It waas different and took some time to >> learn .. BUT .. I can do everything I need to do now. >> >> I like both mate and cinnamon .. so I am not knocking either one. I just >> think people might be well server switching to a 'supported' desktop in >> the longer run. >> >> Again .. don't get me wrong .. it's open source, so do what makes you >> happy :D >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > >-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 2019-10-18 09:23, Valeri Galtsev wrote:> > > On 2019-10-18 05:04, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >> On 10/17/19 4:08 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> On 9/24/19 2:41 PM, Frank Cox wrote: >>>> Without wanting to sound too pushy, I'm wondering if there is any >>>> update on the status of Mate now that Centos 8 has been released? >>>> >>>> I would love to jump on C8 and start playing with it, but the lack >>>> of Mate is kind of? a showstopper for me at the moment. >>>> >>> >>> Is gnome3 really that bad :D >> >> Yes, it is. >> >> My main reason is this (it has to do with me starting with Windows 3.1 >> and those functionalities are in Windows even today I have to use and >> support at work): >> 1. All tray icons are visible so I can see if message or mail >> comes without need to move more then eyeball. >> 2. I can put icon on a desktop, document or link to app. >> 3. I can easily see all open apps and swith to them using mouse >> 4. I can put links to panel in top/bottom of the screen, visible and >> easily accessible. >> 5. I want easily visible and accessible multiple workspaces I can switch >> to. I like separate opened apps several per workspace custered for a >> specifig (simultanious) job/task, Firefox in one Krusader in another, VM >> i third, something else in forth...Then I can switch between apps IN >> THAT workspace, I do not have to choose from dozes of windows (like with >> Alt+Tab) > > And last but not least: I got used to some way of interaction with > computer, and that way is most productive for me after very long use. I > don't want to blend in iPad generation, I want to stay productive which > I am. So, I use Mutt (on FreeBSD, which my workstation runs, it is so > easy and straightforward to install and maintain Mutt).Sorry, I meant Mate (mate-desktop); I do use mutt as text mail client as well...> > Just my $0.02. > > Valeri > >> >> If Gnome 3 (Classic) can be configured to do such things in one go >> (chosing a theme "Gnome 2") I would switch to it. >> >> >> >>> >>> I decided to just bite the bullet and shift to real gnome3 (and not the >>> classic) about 4 years ago.? It waas different and took some time to >>> learn .. BUT .. I can do everything I need to do now. >>> >>> I like both mate and cinnamon .. so I am not knocking either one. I just >>> think people might be well server switching to a 'supported' desktop in >>> the longer run. >>> >>> Again .. don't get me wrong .. it's open source, so do what makes you >>> happy :D >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CentOS mailing list >>> CentOS at centos.org >>> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >>> >> >> >-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 09:23:38AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:> And last but not least: I got used to some way of interaction with computer, > and that way is most productive for me after very long use. I don't want to > blend in iPad generation, I want to stay productive which I am. So, I use > Mutt (on FreeBSD, which my workstation runs, it is so easy and > straightforward to install and maintain Mutt).Nothing stopping you from using mutt on a CentOS system, regardless of what desktop environment you use, just as email clients such as Evolution and kmail can run in other desktop environments. It's too bad that Mutt doesn't support GMail's authentication well (except by turning on the insecure password authentication, App Passwords are disabled in my work email account). You can kinda get it working with the oauth2 support but it requires you set up an OAuth client ID and client secret first, which I don't have access to for work account. I really like mutt and prefer it to webmail. -- Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>