Frank Cox
2018-Nov-02 20:02 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ That's still several years in the future, of course. I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same. But it's interesting nonetheless. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com
Leroy Tennison
2018-Nov-02 20:15 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
I use KDE and they need to, quality is lacking, every time I boot up I get to discover where my icons will be located (and this has been going on through at least a couple of recvisions). Locking doesn't help, even making the file I thought contained the positions immutable didn't help. I'm going to have to look at Trinity. Leroy Tennison Network Information/Cyber Security Specialist E: leroy at datavoiceint.com 2220 Bush Dr McKinney, Texas 75070 www.datavoiceint.com TThis message has been sent on behalf of a company that is part of the Harris Operating Group of Constellation Software Inc. These companies are listed here . If you prefer not to be contacted by Harris Operating Group please notify us . This message is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the message. ________________________________________ From: CentOS <centos-bounces at centos.org> on behalf of Frank Cox <theatre at sasktel.net> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:02 PM To: centos at centos.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ That's still several years in the future, of course. I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same. But it's interesting nonetheless. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Rainer Duffner
2018-Nov-02 20:18 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
> Am 02.11.2018 um 21:02 schrieb Frank Cox <theatre at sasktel.net>: > > But it's interesting nonetheless.AFAIK, Gnome was favored vs. KDE because of some accessibility issues. Yet, I once read a review that claimed that even though Gnome was the ?official? desktop of RHEL, their KDE implementation was more feature-complete than SuSE?s on SLES. Which was pretty depressing to read, TBH.
Leroy Tennison wrote:> I use KDE and they need to, quality is lacking, every time I boot up I > get to discover where my icons will be located (and this has been going > on through at least a couple of recvisions). Locking doesn't help, even > making the file I thought contained the positions immutable didn't help. > I'm going to have to look at Trinity. >Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds. mark
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
2018-Nov-02 20:26 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On 11/2/18 4:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ > > That's still several years in the future, of course. > > I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure > many of you fine folks do the same. > > But it's interesting nonetheless.I dunno, I've TRIED to like KDE....really I have, but its just so kludgy, and menu-obsessed, that I can never really get it to where I'm comfortable with it. I've been using Gnome since the early days of Fedora and have watched it progress, I guess its just a better fit for me. And the older version that comes with CEntOS is also just fine. So this isn't heartbreaking for me as much as to those who have use KDE and have grown to love it over the years.
Robert Heller
2018-Nov-02 20:35 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
At Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:02:56 -0600 CentOS mailing list <centos at centos.org> wrote:> > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ > > That's still several years in the future, of course. > > I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure > many of you fine folks do the same. > > But it's interesting nonetheless.I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes, I use actual xterms. -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
Valeri Galtsev
2018-Nov-02 20:47 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On 11/2/18 3:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ > > That's still several years in the future, of course. > > I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure > many of you fine folks do the same.It probably is just us, older folk who use Mate everywhere. There are two ways to put it: I still have enough brain to be able to categorize, and find what I need in menu tree or I didn't blend into iPad generation to access things through search only (and I do not intend to ask google how much money I have left in my wallet ;-) Thanks to nice guys who forked Mate off Gnome and are maintaining it!! Valeri> > But it's interesting nonetheless. >-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jos Vos
2018-Nov-02 20:49 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 04:35:40PM -0400, Robert Heller wrote:> I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the > "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded > "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage > VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of > Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No > "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for > running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes, I use actual > xterms.Well, I use Xfce, but I understand your approach (as someone used to write just an .xsession file for startup etc.). I have to admit some panel stuff is pretty ok (like battery applet, network applet for switching wifi and vpn's etc.). Terminals with tabs (Xfce terminal) are nice to have too: my desktop is mainly 4-8 terminals with each 4+ tabs and a browser ;-). I was happy with the release of GNOME 3 afterwards, because it forced me to leave GNOME completely and switch to something better, Xfce :-). -- -- Jos Vos <jos at xos.nl> -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Office: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Mobile: +31 6 26216181
Valeri Galtsev
2018-Nov-02 20:58 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On 11/2/18 3:35 PM, Robert Heller wrote:> At Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:02:56 -0600 CentOS mailing list <centos at centos.org> wrote: > >> >> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ >> >> That's still several years in the future, of course. >> >> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure >> many of you fine folks do the same. >> >> But it's interesting nonetheless. > > I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the > "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded > "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage > VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of > Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No > "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for > running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes, I use actual > xterms. >Indeed, my alternatives to Mate would/may be one the these. Interestingly, some people when they see my screen (I'm sysadmin supporting a couple of Departments, about 300 people) ask "what Linux distribution do you have". I have to explain that that is Mate desktop environment... and it is actually FreeBSD, not Linux I run on my workstation. I don't know, it sounds like even people who are quite familiar with Linux to even ask that question, are not that familiar that that is the Desktop Environment for X11 that mostly defines "look and feel". World is different from what it was a decade ago ;-) Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yves Bellefeuille
2018-Nov-02 22:59 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
I also use Mate, but I find some of the KDE applications useful. I hope it will still be possible to install them. -- Yves Bellefeuille <yan at storm.ca>
Mark LaPierre
2018-Nov-03 03:29 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On 11/02/18 16:02, Frank Cox wrote:> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ > > That's still several years in the future, of course. > > I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure > many of you fine folks do the same. > > But it's interesting nonetheless. >The sweet thing about Linux in general is that you can choose pretty much anything you want when it comes to configuring your system. You can even use things that are not supported by whatever distribution you have chosen. For those wishing to continue using KDE far into the future I'm quite sure that there will be a way to continue on that path. -- _ ?v? /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ ****
Nicolas Kovacs
2018-Nov-03 09:09 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
Le 02/11/2018 ? 21:35, Robert Heller a ?crit?:> I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the > "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded > "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage > VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows.Can you post a screenshot of your setup ? I'm curious. Thanks, Niki -- Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables 7, place de l'?glise - 30730 Montpezat Site : https://www.microlinux.fr Blog : https://blog.microlinux.fr Mail : info at microlinux.fr T?l. : 04 66 63 10 32
Walter H.
2018-Nov-03 09:44 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On 02.11.2018 21:02, Frank Cox wrote:> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ > > That's still several years in the future, of course. > > But it's interesting nonetheless.by reading between the lines this could mean, that RHEL 7 (CentOS 7 and other forks of RHEL) is the last one having KDE on board?
Pete Biggs
2018-Nov-03 10:18 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 10:44 +0100, Walter H. wrote:> On 02.11.2018 21:02, Frank Cox wrote: > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ > > > > That's still several years in the future, of course. > > > > But it's interesting nonetheless. > by reading between the lines this could mean, that RHEL 7 (CentOS 7 and > other forks of RHEL) > is the last one having KDE on board? >I don't think it's reading between the lines! It explicitly says: "A future major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux will no longer support using KDE instead of the default GNOME desktop environment." The next major release is RHEL 8 - it won't support KDE. It doesn't mean KDE won't run on it, it just means it isn't supported. P.
Gianluca Cecchi
2018-Nov-03 17:37 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Frank Cox <theatre at sasktel.net> wrote:> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ > > That's still several years in the future, of course. > > I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure > many of you fine folks do the same. > > But it's interesting nonetheless. >Hi, based on the multitude of answers and options received, you can also consider the magnificent old days CDE, now open sourced. Here a screenshot of version 2.2.0d (beta ;-) as compiled some months ago on my Fedora 28 Asus U36SD .. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JrRPdCpYXzyAB0hhVqRyfr2Pj_mtL3dr/view?usp=sharing I just see that there is now final version 2.3.0... time to recompile it on Fedora 29 https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/files/ I couldn't resist... and I cannot forget how beautiful it was on my HP9000 workstation on 1994 ! Gianluca
Keith Keller
2018-Nov-03 22:24 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On 2018-11-02, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> wrote:> > I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the > "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded > "menu manager" program.Ah, one of these subthreads. ;-) I use fluxbox on my main linux desktop. Very few people recognize it. --keith -- kkeller at wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
Liam O'Toole
2018-Nov-05 00:35 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On 2018-11-02, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:> > > On 11/2/18 3:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote: >> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ >> >> That's still several years in the future, of course. >> >> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm >> sure many of you fine folks do the same. > > It probably is just us, older folk who use Mate everywhere. There are > two ways to put it: > > I still have enough brain to be able to categorize, and find what I > need in menu tree > > or > > I didn't blend into iPad generation to access things through search > only (and I do not intend to ask google how much money I have left in > my wallet ;-) > > Thanks to nice guys who forked Mate off Gnome and are maintaining it!! > > Valeri >The traditional, hierarchichal application menu is also available in GNOME 3.
Gregory P. Ennis
2018-Nov-10 18:00 UTC
[CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Frank Cox <theatre at sasktel.net> wrote:> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ > > That's still several years in the future, of course. > > I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure > many of you fine folks do the same. > > But it's interesting nonetheless. >Hi, based on the multitude of answers and options received, you can also consider the magnificent old days CDE, now open sourced. Here a screenshot of version 2.2.0d (beta ;-) as compiled some months ago on my Fedora 28 Asus U36SD .. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JrRPdCpYXzyAB0hhVqRyfr2Pj_mtL3dr/view?usp=sharing I just see that there is now final version 2.3.0... time to recompile it on Fedora 29 https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/files/ I couldn't resist... and I cannot forget how beautiful it was on my HP9000 workstation on 1994 ! Gianluca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope that konsole will still be around after 2024, or that terminal is upgraded with the konsole features. I recently put together a lab machine to test drive the hypervisor features of kvm. I could not get the numeric keypad to work with gnome3 on the host machine. I could get it to work with KDE and Mate, but the screen management for a two monitor hypervisor was not as good as I needed. I finally tried cinnamon and was impressed; it had great screen management with the hypervisor host and guest, and my numeric keypad worked. I have continued cinnamon. Greg