CentOS - Nov 2018 - Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/

That's still several years in the future, of course.

I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
many of you fine folks do the same.

But it's interesting nonetheless.
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least a couple of recvisions).  Locking doesn't help, even making the file I
thought contained the positions immutable didn't help.  I'm going to
have to look at Trinity.


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From: CentOS <centos-bounces at centos.org> on behalf of Frank Cox
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By
2024

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/

That's still several years in the future, of course.

I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
many of you fine folks do the same.

But it's interesting nonetheless.
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> Am 02.11.2018 um 21:02 schrieb Frank Cox <theatre at sasktel.net>:
> 
> But it's interesting nonetheless.

AFAIK, Gnome was favored vs. KDE because of some accessibility issues.

Yet, I once read a review that claimed that even though Gnome was the ?official?
desktop of RHEL, their KDE implementation was more feature-complete than SuSE?s
on SLES.

Which was pretty depressing to read, TBH.

Leroy Tennison wrote:
> I use KDE and they need to, quality is lacking, every time I boot up I
> get to discover where my icons will be located (and this has been going
> on through at least a couple of recvisions).  Locking doesn't help,
even
> making the file I thought contained the positions immutable didn't
help.
> I'm going to have to look at Trinity.
>
Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike
gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds.

    mark

On 11/2/18 4:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
>
> That's still several years in the future, of course.
>
> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
> many of you fine folks do the same.
>
> But it's interesting nonetheless.
I dunno, I've TRIED to like KDE....really I have, but its just so 
kludgy, and menu-obsessed, that I can never really get it to where I'm 
comfortable with it. I've been using Gnome since the early days of 
Fedora and have watched it progress, I guess its just a better fit for 
me. And the older version that comes with CEntOS is also just fine. So 
this isn't heartbreaking for me as much as to those who have use KDE and 
have grown to love it over the years.

At Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:02:56 -0600 CentOS mailing list <centos at
centos.org> wrote:
> 
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
> 
> That's still several years in the future, of course.
> 
> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
> many of you fine folks do the same.
> 
> But it's interesting nonetheless.
I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all
of the
"modern" desktop managers).  I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk
coded
"menu manager" program.  My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage 
VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows.  Right now on C6 and using as little of 
Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel).  File Manage set to /bin/true. No 
"start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox
for
running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher.  And yes, I use actual 
xterms.  

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On 11/2/18 3:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
> 
> That's still several years in the future, of course.
> 
> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
> many of you fine folks do the same.
It probably is just us, older folk who use Mate everywhere. There are 
two ways to put it:

I still have enough brain to be able to categorize, and find what I need 
in menu tree

or

I didn't blend into iPad generation to access things through search only 
(and I do not intend to ask google how much money I have left in my 
wallet ;-)

Thanks to nice guys who forked Mate off Gnome and are maintaining it!!

Valeri
> 
> But it's interesting nonetheless.
> 
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Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 04:35:40PM -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
> I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning
all of the
> "modern" desktop managers).  I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a
Tcl/Tk coded
> "menu manager" program.  My screen looks almost like a 1980s
vintage
> VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows.  Right now on C6 and using as little of
> Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel).  File Manage set to /bin/true. No 
> "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm
iconbox for
> running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher.  And yes, I use
actual
> xterms.  
Well, I use Xfce, but I understand your approach (as someone used to
write just an .xsession file for startup etc.).  I have to admit some
panel stuff is pretty ok (like battery applet, network applet for
switching wifi and vpn's etc.).  Terminals with tabs (Xfce terminal)
are nice to have too: my desktop is mainly 4-8 terminals with each
4+ tabs and a browser ;-).

I was happy with the release of GNOME 3 afterwards, because it forced
me to leave GNOME completely and switch to something better, Xfce :-).

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On 11/2/18 3:35 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:02:56 -0600 CentOS mailing list <centos at
centos.org> wrote:
> 
>>
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
>>
>> That's still several years in the future, of course.
>>
>> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm
sure
>> many of you fine folks do the same.
>>
>> But it's interesting nonetheless.
> 
> I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning
all of the
> "modern" desktop managers).  I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a
Tcl/Tk coded
> "menu manager" program.  My screen looks almost like a 1980s
vintage
> VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows.  Right now on C6 and using as little of
> Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel).  File Manage set to /bin/true. No
> "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm
iconbox for
> running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher.  And yes, I use
actual
> xterms.
> 
Indeed, my alternatives to Mate would/may be one the these. 
Interestingly, some people when they see my screen (I'm sysadmin 
supporting a couple of Departments, about 300 people) ask "what Linux 
distribution do you have". I have to explain that that is Mate desktop 
environment... and it is actually FreeBSD, not Linux I run on my 
workstation. I don't know, it sounds like even people who are quite 
familiar with Linux to even ask that question, are not that familiar 
that that is the Desktop Environment for X11 that mostly defines "look 
and feel". World is different from what it was a decade ago ;-)

Valeri

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Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I also use Mate, but I find some of the KDE applications useful. I
hope it will still be possible to install them.

-- 
Yves Bellefeuille
<yan at storm.ca>

On 11/02/18 16:02, Frank Cox wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
> 
> That's still several years in the future, of course.
> 
> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
> many of you fine folks do the same.
> 
> But it's interesting nonetheless.
> 
The sweet thing about Linux in general is that you can choose pretty 
much anything you want when it comes to configuring your system.  You 
can even use things that are not supported by whatever distribution you 
have chosen.  For those wishing to continue using KDE far into the 
future I'm quite sure that there will be a way to continue on that path.

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Le 02/11/2018 ? 21:35, Robert Heller a ?crit?:
> I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning
all of the
> "modern" desktop managers).  I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a
Tcl/Tk coded
> "menu manager" program.  My screen looks almost like a 1980s
vintage
> VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows.
Can you post a screenshot of your setup ? I'm curious.

Thanks,

Niki

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On 02.11.2018 21:02, Frank Cox wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
>
> That's still several years in the future, of course.
>
> But it's interesting nonetheless.
by reading between the lines this could mean, that RHEL 7 (CentOS 7 and 
other forks of RHEL)
is the last one having KDE on board?

On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 10:44 +0100, Walter H. wrote:
> On 02.11.2018 21:02, Frank Cox wrote:
> > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
> > 
> > That's still several years in the future, of course.
> > 
> > But it's interesting nonetheless.
> by reading between the lines this could mean, that RHEL 7 (CentOS 7 and 
> other forks of RHEL)
> is the last one having KDE on board?
> 
I don't think it's reading between the lines! It explicitly says:

   "A future major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux will no longer
   support using KDE instead of the default GNOME desktop environment."

The next major release is RHEL 8 - it won't support KDE. It doesn't
mean KDE won't run on it, it just means it isn't supported.

P.

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Frank Cox <theatre at sasktel.net> wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
>
> That's still several years in the future, of course.
>
> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
> many of you fine folks do the same.
>
> But it's interesting nonetheless.
>
Hi, based on the multitude of answers and options received, you can also
consider the magnificent old days CDE, now open sourced.
Here a screenshot of version 2.2.0d (beta ;-) as compiled some months ago
on my Fedora 28 Asus U36SD ..
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JrRPdCpYXzyAB0hhVqRyfr2Pj_mtL3dr/view?usp=sharing


I just see that there is now final version 2.3.0... time to recompile it on
Fedora 29
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/files/

I couldn't resist... and I cannot forget how beautiful it was on my HP9000
workstation on 1994 !

Gianluca

On 2018-11-02, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com>
wrote:
>
> I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning
all of the
> "modern" desktop managers).  I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a
Tcl/Tk coded
> "menu manager" program.
Ah, one of these subthreads.  ;-)

I use fluxbox on my main linux desktop.  Very few people recognize it.

--keith

-- 
kkeller at wombat.san-francisco.ca.us

On 2018-11-02, Valeri Galtsev
<galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>
> On 11/2/18 3:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
>> 
>> That's still several years in the future, of course.
>> 
>> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm
>> sure many of you fine folks do the same.
>
> It probably is just us, older folk who use Mate everywhere. There are
> two ways to put it:
>
> I still have enough brain to be able to categorize, and find what I
> need in menu tree
>
> or
>
> I didn't blend into iPad generation to access things through search
> only (and I do not intend to ask google how much money I have left in
> my wallet ;-)
>
> Thanks to nice guys who forked Mate off Gnome and are maintaining it!!
>
> Valeri
>
The traditional, hierarchichal application menu is also available in
GNOME 3.

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Frank Cox <theatre at sasktel.net> wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
> 
> That's still several years in the future, of course.
> 
> I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
> many of you fine folks do the same.
> 
> But it's interesting nonetheless.
> 
Hi, based on the multitude of answers and options received, you can also
consider the magnificent old days CDE, now open sourced.
Here a screenshot of version 2.2.0d (beta ;-) as compiled some months ago
on my Fedora 28 Asus U36SD ..
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JrRPdCpYXzyAB0hhVqRyfr2Pj_mtL3dr/view?usp=sharing


I just see that there is now final version 2.3.0... time to recompile it on
Fedora 29
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/files/

I couldn't resist... and I cannot forget how beautiful it was on my HP9000
workstation on 1994 !

Gianluca

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I hope that konsole will still be around after 2024, or that terminal is
upgraded with the
konsole features.

I recently put together a lab machine to test drive the hypervisor features of
kvm.  I
could not get the numeric keypad to work with gnome3 on the host machine.  I
could get it
to work with KDE and Mate, but the screen management for a two monitor
hypervisor was not
as good as I needed.  I finally tried cinnamon and was impressed; it had great
screen
management with the hypervisor host and guest, and my numeric keypad worked.  I
have
continued cinnamon.

Greg