On 10/28/18 17:54, Zube wrote:> On Sun Oct 28 10:20:31 PM, Alain p?an wrote: > >> Le 28/10/2018 ? 22:10, Albert McCann a ?crit?: >>> Damn, this is bad enough to make one weep. >> >> Red Hat would stay as a distinct entity inside IBM. IBM has also >> contributed to Free software, and especially Linux kernel. >> I don't know how bad it is and the implications for CentOS... > > That old war wound started aching again. > > IBM:Redhat :: Oracle:SunActually, it could have been *much8 worse: *Oracle* could have bought RH. That *really* would have been an order of magnitude worse. mark
On 10/28/18 19:07, mark wrote:> On 10/28/18 17:54, Zube wrote: >> On Sun Oct 28 10:20:31 PM, Alain p?an wrote: >> >>> Le 28/10/2018 ? 22:10, Albert McCann a ?crit?: >>>> Damn, this is bad enough to make one weep. >>> >>> Red Hat would stay as a distinct entity inside IBM. IBM has also >>> contributed to Free software, and especially Linux kernel. >>> I don't know how bad it is and the implications for CentOS... >> >> That old war wound started aching again. >> >> IBM:Redhat :: Oracle:Sun > > Actually, it could have been *much8 worse: *Oracle* could have bought RH. > > That *really* would have been an order of magnitude worse.Not for Canonical...
On Sun, October 28, 2018 6:07 pm, mark wrote:> On 10/28/18 17:54, Zube wrote: >> On Sun Oct 28 10:20:31 PM, Alain p??an wrote: >> >>> Le 28/10/2018 ?? 22:10, Albert McCann a ??crit??: >>>> Damn, this is bad enough to make one weep. >>> >>> Red Hat would stay as a distinct entity inside IBM. IBM has also >>> contributed to Free software, and especially Linux kernel. >>> I don't know how bad it is and the implications for CentOS... >> >> That old war wound started aching again. >> >> IBM:Redhat :: Oracle:Sun > > Actually, it could have been *much8 worse: *Oracle* could have bought RH. > > That *really* would have been an order of magnitude worse. >I like the fact that it was IBM who bought RedHat. I remember several good things about IBM: 1. Postfix. Vietse Venema wrote it at IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center, and IBM was really happy to release MTA written with security in mind under IBM Public License 1.0 which is a free software license - for everybody to use. 2. Does anybody still remember OS/2 which lost userbase to MS Windows for workgroups, but IBM still supported it for quite long period of time. And OS/2 was much better IMHO. I bet many people can add other great things about IBM. All in all I'm not unhappy IBM bough RedHat, but will be quite unhappy if IBM sells RedHat to somebody else after some time. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > On Sun, October 28, 2018 6:07 pm, mark wrote: >> On 10/28/18 17:54, Zube wrote: >>> On Sun Oct 28 10:20:31 PM, Alain p??an wrote: >>> >>>> Le 28/10/2018 ?? 22:10, Albert McCann a ??crit??: >>>>> Damn, this is bad enough to make one weep. >>>> >>>> Red Hat would stay as a distinct entity inside IBM. IBM has also >>>> contributed to Free software, and especially Linux kernel. >>>> I don't know how bad it is and the implications for CentOS... >>> >>> That old war wound started aching again. >>> >>> IBM:Redhat :: Oracle:Sun >> >> Actually, it could have been *much8 worse: *Oracle* could have bought >> RH. >> >> That *really* would have been an order of magnitude worse. >> > > I like the fact that it was IBM who bought RedHat. I remember several good > things about IBM: > > 1. Postfix. Vietse Venema wrote it at IBM Thomas J. Watson Research > Center, and IBM was really happy to release MTA written with security in > mind under IBM Public License 1.0 which is a free software license - for > everybody to use.That's one example but I think there is much more in the history of IBM when looking back. To me it seems like, if they are smart, they will try to push IBM POWER and RedHat Linux together to establish real competition in the hardware market again (and of course don't forget to keep Fedora/CentOS alive)! Regards, Simon
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 23:23, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:> > 2. Does anybody still remember OS/2 which lost userbase to MS Windows for > workgroups, but IBM still supported it for quite long period of time. And > OS/2 was much better IMHO. > >As a long-time OS/2 user, I do remember, and damn what a miserable life that was. As soon as I had wound my BBS down (which was running on Maximus on OS/2), I had switched my home server around to Linux since I preferred it way way more. Using any new hardware, or a decent graphics card was a constant struggle and IBM wouldn't care much. Support as in life support is as good as none.