On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:11:19PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:> I feel like this conversation has reached the "lets just keep > repeating FUD about systemd" stage and probably won't progress in a > useful direction. > > Maybe we should just jump right to the end that we always have each > time this comes up. systemd is the death of linux and you're leaving > for FreeBSD/devuan/whatever. Lets just move along now.Young man, You feel down on your luck Young man You're tired of Linux Young Man You want to free Of trying to figure out systemd Why don't you try.... Freeeeee BSD FreeeBSD It still has an init that you can see (though they're talking of trying OpenRC) And so on. Sorry, that's all I was allowed to sing at work before people got annoyed. (We're a FreeBSD shop though). -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6
On Apr 11, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Scott Robbins <scottro11 at gmail.com> wrote:> > (though they're talking of trying OpenRC)Not just talking. TrueOS, ne? PC-BSD, now runs on OpenRC. So let me tell you about how my recent TrueOS server upgrade broke virtually all of my services on the TrueOS server, roached the X configuration, and now has the system in an un-upgradeable state, to the point that it?s looking like I?ll have to reinstall if I ever want to install software from pkg again. Oh, and let?s also talk about how FreeBSD has been training people to run services via direct /etc/rc.d/$service script calls, but now you must use rc-service calls, with no graceful fallback. Got scripts calling the old style scripts? Too bad. The grass isn?t always greener on the other side of the fence.
On Tue, April 11, 2017 4:41 pm, Warren Young wrote:> On Apr 11, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Scott Robbins <scottro11 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> (though they're talking of trying OpenRC) > > Not just talking. TrueOS, ne?? PC-BSD, now runs on OpenRC. > > So let me tell you about how my recent TrueOS server upgrade broke > virtually all of my services on the TrueOS server, roached the X > configuration, and now has the system in an un-upgradeable state, to the > point that it???s looking like I???ll have to reinstall if I ever want to > install software from pkg again. > > Oh, and let???s also talk about how FreeBSD has been training people to > run services via direct /etc/rc.d/$service script calls, but now you must > use rc-service calls, with no graceful fallback. Got scripts calling the > old style scripts? Too bad.All systems suck. And thanks to that I got my job. Valeri> > The grass isn???t always greener on the other side of the fence.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++