CentOS - Sep 2016 - An 'orrible question: Outlook 365 under wine on CentOS?

Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?

Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.

     mark, VMNH*

* Very Much Not Happy

On Fri, September 23, 2016 2:50 pm, m.roth at 5-cent.us
wrote:
> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
>
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
When my folks decide something like that it will be time to look for new
job ;-(

Valeri
>
>      mark, VMNH*
>
> * Very Much Not Happy
>
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
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Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>
> On Fri, September 23, 2016 2:50 pm, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:
>> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
>>
>> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away
>> in the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook
365.
>
> When my folks decide something like that it will be time to look for new
> job ;-(
>
Yeah, well, but I like it here, and would like to stay at least a few more
years....

       mark

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 03:50:53PM -0400, m.roth at 5-cent.us
wrote:
> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
> 
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
> 
>      mark, VMNH*
> 
> * Very Much Not Happy
Oh you poor boy. Outlook sucks rocks.

We're now using outlook 365 at my place of employment (formerly we ran
our own exchange server(s)). but we're also all forced to have a real
windows-on-metal system at our desks, so it's not a major hardship.

they (the management) require windows on real hardware, not in a VM
so I have two computers at my desk since I do all my actual work on
Linux. it's a waste of company money, at the very least.


-- 
---- Fred Smith -- fredex at fcshome.stoneham.ma.us
-----------------------------
                         God made him who had no sin
                      to be sin for us, so that in him
                 we might become the righteousness of God."
--------------------------- Corinthians 5:21 ---------------------------------

> Date: Friday, September 23, 2016 15:50:53 -0400
> From: m.roth at 5-cent.us
>
> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
> 
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go
> away in the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry,
> Outlook 365.
> 
What you are being moved to may be a different m$ service offering,
but their "outlook.office365.com" service, while exchange focused,
supports imap and standards-based clients.

On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 15:50 -0400, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
Working with these expert and highly knowledgeable folk must be an
incredibly challenge :-(

Obviously brain-washed by Microsoft's marketing team.

Commiserations.


-- 
Regards,

Paul.
England, EU.      England's place is in the European Union.

On 9/23/2016 12:50 PM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
let me guess, outsourcing the mail server operations to 'the cloud' ?


-- 
john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz

The only linux-based client that, if I recall, can speak native MS mail
protocols, was Evolution.

I don't know if it still does.


On 09/23/2016 07:25 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 9/23/2016 12:50 PM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:
>> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go
>> away in
>> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
>
> let me guess, outsourcing the mail server operations to 'the cloud'
?
>
>

Mark,

While we still run an EXIM service for the bulk of the company, I do have it 
happily co-existing with a small (15 user) Office 365 setup.

Personally I am using a Centos 7 laptop but my emails are handled by 
connecting via SSH to an old Fedora 8 box running KDE and KMail.

This connects perfectly happy with my Dovecot/EXIM local server and to my 
Office 365 account also using IMAP/SMTP.

Contrary to what others have said on here, it is actually a solution that is 
working quite well for us with a mixture of Macbook / iphone / ipad / Galaxy 
phone / Windows PC / Linux PC.

Certainly for the mobile users it's a much better solution.

(it's okay, I'm going to sit down in a darkened room now to recover)

:-)

Gary

On Friday 23 September 2016 20:50:53 m.roth at 5-cent.us
wrote:
> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
>
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
>
>      mark, VMNH*
>
> * Very Much Not Happy
>
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Hi, Gary,

Gary Stainburn wrote:
>
> While we still run an EXIM service for the bulk of the company, I do have
> it happily co-existing with a small (15 user) Office 365 setup.
>
> Personally I am using a Centos 7 laptop but my emails are handled by
> connecting via SSH to an old Fedora 8 box running KDE and KMail.
>
> This connects perfectly happy with my Dovecot/EXIM local server and to my
> Office 365 account also using IMAP/SMTP.
<snip>
You're not the only one who's responded this way. As I said in my
original
post, I am given to understand that They have decided on a Policy to
*stop* enabling IMAP. If that was left running, I'd be running just what I
am now, IMAP to Exchange.

       mark

On 09/23/2016 02:50 PM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:
> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
> 
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
> 
Office 365 (including outlook) has a web client for Mail and Calendar.

I use both with firefox and chrome on CentOS-7.

I don't use either the Calendar or the Mail enough to have cared about
accessing it any other way than the web client.




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On Wed, September 28, 2016 10:05 am, Johnny Hughes
wrote:
> On 09/23/2016 02:50 PM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:
>> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
>> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away
in
>> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
>
> Office 365 (including outlook) has a web client for Mail and Calendar.
>
> I use both with firefox and chrome on CentOS-7.
>
> I don't use either the Calendar or the Mail enough to have cared about
accessing it any other way than the web client.
>
Yes, I guess the OP got many of us confused as to what the high brass
decision in his company is:

1. Is it IMAP server (and whatever calendar server) is (are) to be
replaced by MS Exchange server,

or

2. Clients have to use MS Outlook (is there requirement to have integrated
server side calendar part so users can send embedded event invitations
from the Outlook mail/calendar/(whatever else) clients?)

1. is clear, UNIX servers are to go, and MS certified sysadmin will be
hired soon to run exchange server.

2. Can depend on what high brass order exactly is. I do have a bunch of
users who use outlook configured to talk to my IMAP servers. And others
mention the same. I do believe there exists open source counterparts to
what MS Exchange server does (collabsuite pops up in my mind...). But
running that in this situation would be PITA. The ones I've seen normally
need their own client side application. Even if Outlook client will work
with them (fully, not as just as IMAP client), then there is fair chance
closed source/ closed "standards" MS client will stop working after
some
MS update or version of client upgrade. And with MS you can not avoid
doing update, update, update... so going that route is planting time bomb
under yourself. Bottom line: even if it just decision 2, MS Exchange
server is what it ultimately will lead to.

In other words, my semi-humorous first assessment: when you hear this
decision it is time to search for new job, is probably the only viable
one. Or, take paid leave and go through full blown MS training and
certification. Yes, certification is more valuable than your ability in MS
admin community in my observation! But as always, this is OP assessment
and decision that matters as he will be the one dealing with consequences.

Do not shoot the bad news messenger ;-(

Valeri

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Office365 is a bit flaky in places but works perfectly well as an IMAP
server to any email client. The calendar functionality is not there via
IMAP however so you wont get notified if you get invited to meetings. Be it
on your head!
>From a business perspective Office365 is an extremely good choice for a
company using mostly windows or mac. Its pretty seamless. The web client
has much improved recently and honestly the office integration is kinda
awesome. Flakyness aside; the M$ still very much holds first place over
OSX, Gnome & KDE on desktop features and user experience.



On 23 September 2016 at 21:50, <m.roth at 5-cent.us> wrote:
> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
>
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
>
>      mark, VMNH*
>
> * Very Much Not Happy
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS mailing list
> CentOS at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
>

Hi,

I've used Davmail against sExchange in the past, with success. 
If that doesn't work for you, then the easy way out is webmail which is
decent, in fact I have colleagues prefering it to the standard Outlook program.
Office365 does offer IMAP though and it works reasonably well, I use it with
Thunderbird, hopefully they won't disable that - wonder as to the reason of
it.

hth

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----- Original Message -----
> From: "m roth" <m.roth at 5-cent.us>
> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos at centos.org>
> Sent: Friday, 23 September, 2016 20:50:53
> Subject: [CentOS] An 'orrible question: Outlook 365 under wine on
CentOS?
> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
> 
> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away in
> the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook 365.
> 
>     mark, VMNH*
> 
> * Very Much Not Happy
> 
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This is seriously weird... note the date I made the original post....

Nux! wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "m roth" <m.roth at 5-cent.us>
>> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos at centos.org>
>> Sent: Friday, 23 September, 2016 20:50:53
>
>> Either CentOS 6 or 7 - anyone know if it's possible?
>>
>> Upper Management has decided on a policy that IMAP is going to go away
>> in the near future, and they want everyone on Lookout, sorry, Outlook
365.
>>
> I've used Davmail against sExchange in the past, with success.
> If that doesn't work for you, then the easy way out is webmail which is
> decent, in fact I have colleagues prefering it to the standard Outlook
> program.
> Office365 does offer IMAP though and it works reasonably well, I use it
> with Thunderbird, hopefully they won't disable that - wonder as to the
> reason of it.
I may look into it, in my copious spare time. <g> Since I posted, they
migrated us, and I've used the Outlook webmail. Pardon me while I go
worship the porcelain throne.

They *did* disable IMAP. "Policy"... aka, as Bruce Schnier says,
"security
theater"

      mark