CentOS - Apr 2015 - [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64

On 04/02/2015 02:29 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jim Perrin <jperrin at centos.org>
wrote:
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>> On 04/02/2015 01:28 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
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>>> Soliciting our feedback *before* changing everything regarding
release
>>> names would
>>> have been nice.
>>>
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>> We did.
>>
>>
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2015-February/012873.html
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> WE'RE NOT ON THE DEVEL LIST!
WHY NOT?
>
> Yes, I'm shouting.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT


Seriously though, the change was brought up over a month ago on the 
-devel list. When we're asking for feedback about possible changes, it's
on the -devel list, because it's about the development of the distro. If 
you want to give input for the direction of the distro, that's the place 
to do it. I would encourage anyone who's interested to join.

-- 
Jim Perrin
The CentOS Project | http://www.centos.org
twitter: @BitIntegrity | GPG Key: FA09AD77

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Jim Perrin <jperrin at centos.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 04/02/2015 02:29 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jim Perrin <jperrin at
centos.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 04/02/2015 01:28 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Soliciting our feedback *before* changing everything regarding
release
>>>> names would
>>>> have been nice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We did.
>>>
>>>
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2015-February/012873.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  WE'RE NOT ON THE DEVEL LIST!
>>
>
> WHY NOT?
>
>
>> Yes, I'm shouting.
>>
>
> I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT
>
>
> Seriously though, the change was brought up over a month ago on the -devel
> list. When we're asking for feedback about possible changes, it's
on the
> -devel list, because it's about the development of the distro. If you
want
> to give input for the direction of the distro, that's the place to do
it. I
> would encourage anyone who's interested to join.
>
>
>From the "Community" page:

"CentOS-devel

This list is a discussion list about the current and further development of
CentOS. If you have questions regarding CentOS, please use the main centos
list - this is strictly about development. "



Most of us are not involved in development of CentOS, and don't have the
time to monitor such a mailing list for possible changes we might want to
be aware of.

Major changes that effect day-to-day operations should be vetted through
the main list, in my opinion.


-- 
Matt Phelps
System Administrator, Computation Facility
Harvard - Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu, http://www.cfa.harvard.edu

On 02/04/15 20:47, Jim Perrin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04/02/2015 02:29 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jim Perrin <jperrin at
centos.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/02/2015 01:28 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Soliciting our feedback *before* changing everything regarding
release
>>>> names would
>>>> have been nice.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We did.
>>>
>>>
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2015-February/012873.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> WE'RE NOT ON THE DEVEL LIST!
> 
> WHY NOT?
> 
Would it have made a difference? Yes, you asked on that list. And yes,
nearly everyone who responded said no to the change, yet you did it anyway.

If Matthew had been on the list, and had also responded against the
change, would his voice have made the difference?

Seriously, show me a post in that thread from someone not on the CentOS
board speaking strongly in favour of the change. It's a big thread.

The point is, you asked and the community said no (at least those who
were subscribed to the -devel list and took the time to respond). Yet
you did it anyway.

The damage is done now, you can't take it back.

On Thu, 2015-04-02 at 22:22 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
> Would it have made a difference? Yes, you asked on that list. And yes,
> nearly everyone who responded said no to the change, yet you did it anyway.
..............................
> The damage is done now, you can't take it back.
But they can revert to the normal system appreciated by the overwhelming
quantity of Centos users all around the world.  Everyone makes mistakes
and one one here wants grovelling apologies, just a change to the
original and better system - even with dates,

	Example  Centos-7-1-1504 ...........


-- 
Regards,

Paul.
England, EU.      Je suis Charlie.