John R Pierce
2015-Apr-02 05:54 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64
you guys sure get your panties in a bunch over something as silly as the iso file name. if you don't like the name, rename it... sheesh. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz
Les Mikesell
2015-Apr-02 12:36 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:54 AM, John R Pierce <pierce at hogranch.com> wrote:> you guys sure get your panties in a bunch over something as silly as the iso > file name. > > if you don't like the name, rename it... sheesh. >I'm not bothered so much by the actual name as by the justification of it having been discussed on the -devel list - where in fact pretty much all of the discussion was that the minor rev number was important and should stay in. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com
Always Learning
2015-Apr-02 14:52 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64
On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 22:54 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:> you guys sure get your panties in a bunch over something as silly as the > iso file name.You may wear them, many of us don't :-)> if you don't like the name, rename it... sheesh.Its about a consistent and logical approach to identifying versions, revisions and differences between changes. How is the latest numbering system an improvement ? Marks idea of {major version}-{sub version}-{mmdd} ...... is clearly a good proposal -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie.
Phelps, Matthew
2015-Apr-02 14:59 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64
It's not just the name of the ISO file. c.f. the VERSION_ID variable in /etc/os-release On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Always Learning <centos at u64.u22.net> wrote:> > On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 22:54 -0700, John R Pierce wrote: > > > you guys sure get your panties in a bunch over something as silly as the > > iso file name. > > You may wear them, many of us don't :-) > > > if you don't like the name, rename it... sheesh. > > Its about a consistent and logical approach to identifying versions, > revisions and differences between changes. > > How is the latest numbering system an improvement ? Marks idea of > > {major version}-{sub version}-{mmdd} ...... > > is clearly a good proposal > > -- > Regards, > > Paul. > England, EU. Je suis Charlie. > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >-- Matt Phelps System Administrator, Computation Facility Harvard - Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu, http://www.cfa.harvard.edu
Valeri Galtsev
2015-Apr-02 16:08 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64
On Thu, April 2, 2015 9:52 am, Always Learning wrote:> > On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 22:54 -0700, John R Pierce wrote: > >> you guys sure get your panties in a bunch over something as silly asthe>> iso file name. > > You may wear them, many of us don't :-) > >> if you don't like the name, rename it... sheesh. > > Its about a consistent and logical approach to identifying versions,revisions and differences between changes.> > How is the latest numbering system an improvement ? Marks idea of > > {major version}-{sub version}-{mmdd} ...... > > is clearly a good proposal >After all I decide to add "<rant>" tag at the very beginning of my message instead of just assuming it. Bu before that: Thanks a lot to CentOS team for the great job you guys are doing! <rant> My guess is the lack of understanding of (and sympathy to) your, Mr. Always Learning, point stems from people missing the very basic thing. I'll try to explain what I mean. Us, human, usually do consecutive counting as follows: A: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... Now, as portion of version identifier doesn't follow this way of counting anymore, it is akin counting like: B: 231 2735 2746 3458 5216 ... This is still in ascending order, still: 1. whereas in case A given you have [sub]version number 4 you definitely know that adjacent previous is 3 and adjacent following will be 5. Case B is different: unless you have the whole row of legal numbers in front of you, you will not be able to guess whether 2746 and 3458 are consecutive versions, or there is one or more versions between them. 2. comparison of two version in case A easily reveals which is earlier and which is higher, in case B it is not quite so (you can try to time yourself on comparison of random natural number in 10000 range and compare that to the case of natural numbers 0-9, you will know what I mean), and hence prone to higher chance of error (and don't second guess me: I always has A+ in mathematics in school and university ;-). This is just a trivial human psychology... Valeri PS I do realize that these big numbers are quite likely just a subset of indeed consecutive natural numbers, say, counting builds, and only the ones that are good enough to be released for public use are visible to public. Still, developers usually have their magic way to keep track of their consecutive builds and relation to still consecutively numbers "good" build released to public. Abandoning that is not wise at the very least. It converts product from being transparent to getting obscure for everybody. Which only serves the goal of diverting people to much poorer IMHO alternatives, MS Windows to name one (the only OS of many I know whose vendor tells you it is unsafe to use it without 3rd party software - antivirus). </rant> You should guess all I say is ran, so I decided to drop resemblig tag at the beginning ;-) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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