Okay, Yahoo is bumming me. Only system my mail is having an issue with. All mail is accepted, but junked. I can only think it is the DKIM/Domain keys. It is apparent that the dkim-milter is not part of the centos 5.x distro nor is it part of the mirrors, as far as I can tell. So...have any of you done it with your servers for sendmail? There are some sites that claim to have rpms and I have downloaded the tar from sendmail. But I would rather hear from anyone who has an opinion before I go with one or the other. I do not trust any rpms except for their mirrors, so not sure if I want to do that. But maybe it is fine. Open to suggestions, ideas for what works for you and yahoo. No, I do not want to install postfix, thank you - /ninja'd ya
> Okay, > Yahoo is bumming me. Only system my mail is having an issue with. All mail > is accepted, but junked. I can only think it is the DKIM/Domain keys. > > It is apparent that the dkim-milter is not part of the centos 5.x distro > nor > is it part of the mirrors, as far as I can tell. > > So...have any of you done it with your servers for sendmail? > > There are some sites that claim to have rpms and I have downloaded the tar > from sendmail. But I would rather hear from anyone who has an opinion > before > I go with one or the other. > > I do not trust any rpms except for their mirrors, so not sure if I want to > do that. But maybe it is fine. > > Open to suggestions, ideas for what works for you and yahoo. > > > No, I do not want to install postfix, thank you - /ninja'd ya >Bob Setup proper SPF records for your domain(s) for one. As far as the dk or dkim stuff, there should be some howto's out there in relation to centos and other mailservers acceptance of signed emails - rh
Bob Hoffman wrote:> Okay, > Yahoo is bumming me. Only system my mail is having an issue with. All mail > is accepted, but junked. I can only think it is the DKIM/Domain keys. > > It is apparent that the dkim-milter is not part of the centos 5.x distro nor > is it part of the mirrors, as far as I can tell. > > So...have any of you done it with your servers for sendmail? > > There are some sites that claim to have rpms and I have downloaded the tar > from sendmail. But I would rather hear from anyone who has an opinion before > I go with one or the other. > > I do not trust any rpms except for their mirrors, so not sure if I want to > do that. But maybe it is fine. > > Open to suggestions, ideas for what works for you and yahoo. > > > No, I do not want to install postfix, thank you - /ninja'd ya > >I'm running sendmail. The single number one issue is to never bounce email. Reject is fine, but if you have anything doing bounce you'll likely wind up on their blocklist for a day or few. Spammers love to use yahoo addresses as from addresses, so if you are bouncing any mail, you'll likely be spamming yahoo in their eyes and in fact most people's eyes these days. I have multiple hosting accounts and not all have SPF records, although this might help as well, but if you keep outgoing clean, you'll get through to yahoo users as well. And if it winds up in their spam box, it is their responsibility to move it out and approve the sender. Yahoo does run extremely strict filtering and that's just how it is for everyone. If anything in an email is at all spammy (and it's really easy to cross that fine line), it'll wind up in the spam box. John Hinton
> Okay, > Yahoo is bumming me. Only system my mail is having an issue > with. All mail > is accepted, but junked. I can only think it is the DKIM/Domain keys.Just a WAG, but make sure you have a PTR record for your machine that is sending email. If you actually got the bounce, check the headers, it is the first best place to look. -John
Bob Hoffman wrote:> Okay, > Yahoo is bumming me. Only system my mail is having an issue with. All mail > is accepted, but junked. I can only think it is the DKIM/Domain keys.You might want to show some logs or other evidence if you want people to help you. Ralph -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080924/35c8c5fc/attachment-0001.sig>
on 9-24-2008 10:40 AM Bob Hoffman spake the following:> Okay, > Yahoo is bumming me. Only system my mail is having an issue with. All mail > is accepted, but junked. I can only think it is the DKIM/Domain keys. > > It is apparent that the dkim-milter is not part of the centos 5.x distro nor > is it part of the mirrors, as far as I can tell. > > So...have any of you done it with your servers for sendmail? > > There are some sites that claim to have rpms and I have downloaded the tar > from sendmail. But I would rather hear from anyone who has an opinion before > I go with one or the other. > > I do not trust any rpms except for their mirrors, so not sure if I want to > do that. But maybe it is fine. > > Open to suggestions, ideas for what works for you and yahoo. > > > No, I do not want to install postfix, thank you - /ninja'd yaAFAIR yahoo only looks for proper SPF records and then looks at content so far. My users interact with them all the time. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't!!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 250 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080924/6d53f810/attachment-0001.sig>
> > You might want to show some logs or other evidence if you > want people to help you. > > RalphYou need logs to say you use DKIM/domain keys on your servers and how you did it, rpm or compile? Well, if it will help you tell me on your experience with DKIM I am up for it! YAHOO HEADERS Return-Path: <bob at bobhoffman.com> Authentication-Results: mta108.mail.re1.yahoo.com from=bobhoffman.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 72.35.68.59 (EHLO mail.bobhoffman.com) (72.35.68.59) by mta108.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:28:44 -0700 Received: from obiwan2 ([98.64.115.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.creativeprogramdesigners.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8OGSCwJ014172 for <testaccount at yahoo.com>; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:28:12 -0400 From: "Bob Hoffman" <bob at bobhoffman.com> This is a virtualhost account, sent via smtp from my home, through the server. The mail.creativ...com is the hostname of the server. When sending from a php application, all the info is about the same, however the 'received from' obviously says apache at mail.creat...com and the ip address of the server is listed instead of the website. It is my contention that DKIM will tip it for yahoo, but not sure it is worth the work. As well as spf.
> > > > No, I do not want to install postfix, thank you - /ninja'd ya > AFAIR yahoo only looks for proper SPF records and then looks > at content so far. My users interact with them all the time.Good enough to go on. To start. I will pound out some spf's for the dns and see if it does anything.
John Hinton wrote:> Toby Bluhm wrote: > > Scott Silva wrote: > > > > > > A "one stop shop" on everything CentOS. > > > > I like that approach better. A new list for email only would > > probably lead to email threads on *both* lists, users being > > reminded to take the <select inappropriate subject> discussion to > > the other list, etc. > > My point is we go unhelped by CentOS. There is no way I'm going to > post mail issues to this list. And this list would become unusable if > we started this. Talking about spam filters, milters and on and on > and on. Look what just happened. One single very simple question of > the thousands to be dealt with and the thread went crazy... at which > point it was suggested that we end this thread. So, basically, posts > about 'all' things email are NOT welcomed on this list.... and should > not be.The only reason this thread went nuts was because it got onto the topic of SPF records. This is one of those topics that lots of people have rather strong feelings about and threads discussing it almost always seem to go out of control. The suggestion to end the thread generally comes when an argument starts going around in circles resolving nothing. Generic mail questions are always welcome here. Of course, more specific questions should be directed to the proper MTA-specific mailing list. -- Bowie