Alan, I knew of the Dell article, as I have all of those saved for reference. [1] I was just wondering if you knew of any that were for someone knew to Linux. You know the Microsoft type tutorials that have screenshot with them. That's the question I get asked a lot of times from around my home area. In turn when these users that are new to Linux they get discouraged when they can't visualy see pictures or have to edit some text file. They just use to doing things the M$ Way. CentOS could have a much broader user base (Huge), the biggest user base around if simple things like this could be done. i realize though it take volunteers to do this on the wiki. [1] DKMS was originally meant for updating Dells server hardware (drivers) see: http://linux.dell.com/dkms/dkms-ols2004.pdf and Sys Admins, but has come further than that. Install DKMS. Install driver, hope like hell it works on kernel update On 03/04/2008, John <jses27 at gmail.com> wrote:> > Anyone on the List know of a good DKMS tutorial besides the one at > linux.dell.com? Relating to drivers? I do not want bits and pieces, I > need reliable factsOther than looking at http://linux.del.com/dkms/dkms-ols2004.pdf and Section #2 of http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/BuildingKernelModules (ignore the title of the article), what else do you need to know? Alan. On 04/04/2008, Alan Bartlett <ajb.stxsl at googlemail.com> wrote:> > Other than looking at http://linux.del.com/dkms/dkms-ols2004.pdf and > Section #2 of http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/BuildingKernelModules >Apologies for typo in URL. It is http://linux.dell.com/dkms/dkms-ols2004.pdf<http://linux.del.com/dkms/dkms-ols2004.pdf> Alan. -- ~/john OpenPGP Sig:BA91F079
John wrote:> Alan, > > I knew of the Dell article, as I have all of those saved for reference. > [1] I was just wondering if you knew of any that were for someone knew > to Linux. You know the Microsoft type tutorials that have screenshot > with them. That's the question I get asked a lot of times from around my > home area. > > In turn when these users that are new to Linux they get discouraged when > they can't visualy see pictures or have to edit some text file. They > just use to doing things the M$ Way. CentOS could have a much broader > user base (Huge), the biggest user base around if simple things like > this could be done. i realize though it take volunteers to do this on > the wiki. >Hi John, Apologies for not being Alan ;) As an occasional Wiki author, I thought I'd offer you my personal insight on this topic. I try to write articles/documentation that is broad reaching hence why it tends to be command line based - not everyone has a GUI installed, so any guide that relies on GUI methods instantly fails to reach a section of the community. I firmly believe well written command line based documentation can and should be easy to follow, even for the novice user. Also, IMHO GUI-based tools are not always a good thing. I remember struggling with the horrible up2date GUI interface in my Red Hat Linux days. It was only a GUI frontend to RPM (??) but it was buggy as hell. It didn't take me long to figure out it was far easier to manually download updates by ftp and apply them with 'rpm -Fvh *.rpm'. Things evolve and now we can simply do 'yum update'. Why add an additional layer of complexity where it isn't needed? Whilst I sympathise with your observation, and I'm sure we all know users like that, CentOS isn't Windows and I wouldn't want it to be. I would rather we try to educate users to the Linux way of doing things rather than turn Linux into a Windows clone. I guess I feel the same about documentation to an extent. Ned
On Saturday 05 April 2008 15:58, John wrote:> [1] I was just wondering if you knew of any that were for someone knew > to Linux. You know the Microsoft type tutorials that have screenshot > with them. That's the question I get asked a lot of times from around my > home area.On any subject you choose, try google with 'linux subjectname howto'. There are some really good ones out there. They may not be about your particular distro - some of the best ones are from gentoo people - but you'll find that for the most part they are extremely helpful. I understand why you want screenshots - in the early days there are language problems :-) Anne
Kai Schaetzl <maillists at conactive.com> wrote:> CentOS is *not* for users new to Linux or Unix-like operatings > systems. It isn't. Full stop.Hopefully what you mean is that it isn't designed specifically for users that are new to Linux. It is a perfectly fine distribution for those wanting to learn Linux, though the learning curve may be a bit steep. Is there any distro designed to train new Linux users? robert