CentOS - May 2005 - RE: pronunciation? -- loving CentOS doesn't mean you have to bash Red Hat

> Ubuntu and Knoppix can say they use Debian sources ... SLAX can say it
> uses Slackware sources.  Those guys have trademarks too.
Debian and Slackware don't sell "enterprise" products.  And many
such
projects are non-profit or otherwise.  Unless Debian plans to establish
itself as a commercial player, they don't need to defend their trademark.
In fact, the commercial entity behind Debian is not named Debian, but
Progeny.  Ian Murdock was smart in this regard.  Red Hat was not.

Before Red Hat changed their trademark rules and introduced Fedora(TM),
Sun could _legally_ distribute anything it wanted and call it "Red Hat(R)
Enterprise Linux."  Why?  Because Sun had grounds to state that Red Hat
had failed to enforce their trademark.  Especially given the fact that Sun
now owned Cobalt, and could show that history directly under their own
ownership.

That's the reality of US Trademark Law.  And because German Trademark Law
is even worse (Remember the KIllustrator issues?  They weren't even brought
to court by Adobe either -- but companies are allowed to sue on behalf of
another company without being so empowered), SuSE used to do the same.

However, it's becoming clear that Novell may be turning SuSE into a more
"Fedora-like" trademark and has publicly made comments on possibly
turning
it into a non-product project too.  The first 100% freely redistributable
version
of SuSE Linux was 9.2 -- available in full ISO format, and not just FTP without
many things.

The reality is that Red Hat needed 2 trademarks:  One to defend, one to
still allow free redistribution, hence Fedora Core.  Most of the endeavors in
the greater Fedora Project were already set 1-2 years before the name change.

With the SuSE purchase, Novell now has 2 as well.  The Novell Linux 10 and
SuSE Linux 10.x releases will be interesting to watch.  In fact, it's funny
to
see Red Hat and SuSE flip-flop back and forth, following each other's lead
(e.g., SLES first, then RHEL, 18-month RHPW/RHD replaced 6-month RHL Prof.
on the retail shelf, now 18-month NLD is replacing 6-month SL Prof., etc...).
> If Toyota and Honda both got an engine for a car from the same place ...
> Honda could certainly say:
> Uses the same engine as the Toyota XXXX ... even if Toyota provided them
> with the engine.
However, Honda or Toyota could _not_ brand the car as the original company
without a license.  Furthermore, they cannot market the engine as that company,
not without a license to do so.  Lastly, Honda and Toyota would likely have
already had to license the engine in the first place, and such rights to use of
the trademark probably would have been included.

Red Hat is the first and _only_ (and the last ;-) majority Linux distributor to
allow anyone to use their trademarks without a license, and they have an entire
history of profilerated forking without enforcement they now much fight retro-
actively.  That's the reality of the US trademark system and the burden they
created for themselves.  No one else will ever do the same.

What Red Hat reguarly ran up against -- especially with Cobalt and Sun -- is
that
people assumed they were distributing Red Hat's product, unmodified.  They
were
not and actually distributing a radically different version that was heavily
modified.
I even had this discussion with a guy who hates RPM and Red Hat, and once he
finally realized that his _entire_ viewpoint was based on Cobalts, he _finally_
saw the whole reason for the trademark issues Red Hat now has.

It was quite an epiphany.  ;->


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Bryan J. Smith   mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org