Hello, I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos 4.0 I need to restart my server What is command line?> anyone knows vaneet Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins'' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet@iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://localhost.localdomain/pipermail/centos/attachments/20050329/688f49b8/attachment.htm
Vaneet Sharma wrote:> > > Hello, > I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos > 4.0 > I need to restart my server > > What is command line?> anyone knows > > vaneet > >Vaneet, a lot of the questions that you are asking - are very basic issues, things that most people even vaguely familiar with Linux would know. I suggest you take a look at the online docs avilable at : http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/docs/ - they make for an excellent starting point. Google will also provide with relevant links, answers and material to further understand what this is that you are getting involved in. To answer your existing question - just the reboot command works well. - K -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ GnuPG Public Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc
* Vaneet Sharma <vaneet@iwg.info> [2005-03-29 11:00:36]:> > > Hello, > I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos > 4.0 > I need to restart my server > > What is command line?> anyone knowsHi, You really really need to go read some documentation. There''s a pile of official Red Hat stuff at http://www.redhat.com/docs/ . Matt -- "Accept anything. Then explain it your way." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://localhost.localdomain/pipermail/centos/attachments/20050329/025af222/attachment.bin
# reboot -n No offense Vaneet, how long have you been running Linux now? These questions are very basic and your filling up our inboxes with crap. Visit www.linuxquestions.org, or just Google for answers. Only, and ONLY, when Google doesn''t know it and you''ve AT LEAST tried 10 times ask the list. Regards and goog luck with your walk down our road :) On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:33:14 +0200, Vaneet Sharma <vaneet@iwg.info> wrote:> > > > > Hello, > I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos 4.0 > I need to restart my server > > What is command line?> anyone knows > > vaneet > Vaneet Sharma > executive manager iDeasTank Limited > an iwg business > dolphins'' court po 388 > valletta, m-malta/europe > vaneet@iwg.info > call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET > > mobile: > +356 9943 8263 > skype: CALLVANEET > fax: +356 9952 8888 > phone: +356 9942 8888 > Want a signature like this? > > > iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new > businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar > mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. > > www.iWG.info > www.countryprofiler.com/iWG > www.visitmalta.com > www.mfc.com.mt > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for > delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this > message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly > notify the sender by reply email. > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@caosity.org > http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > >-- Kenneth Kalmer kenneth.kalmer@gmail.com http://opensourcery.blogspot.com
> > Hello, > > I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos > > 4.0 > > I need to restart my server > > > > What is command line?> anyone knows >dunno if u need to go thru docz or not, but u shld defintely shorten yr signature ;-) -- v2sw6PYUhw5ln6pr5Pck4ma7u7TBw5m6l7Ri2e6t5Xb5Oen7g6AMa28s5Mr6p7 hackerkey.com
Thank you Im reading the documentation vaneet -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kalmer Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:15 PM To: CentOS discussion and information list Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline # reboot -n No offense Vaneet, how long have you been running Linux now? These questions are very basic and your filling up our inboxes with crap. Visit www.linuxquestions.org, or just Google for answers. Only, and ONLY, when Google doesn''t know it and you''ve AT LEAST tried 10 times ask the list. Regards and goog luck with your walk down our road :) On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:33:14 +0200, Vaneet Sharma <vaneet@iwg.info> wrote:> > > > > Hello, > I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is runningCentos 4.0> I need to restart my server > > What is command line?> anyone knows > > vaneet > Vaneet Sharma > executive manager iDeasTank Limited > an iwg business > dolphins'' court po 388 > valletta, m-malta/europe > vaneet@iwg.info > call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET > > mobile: > +356 9943 8263 > skype: CALLVANEET > fax: +356 9952 8888 > phone: +356 9942 8888 > Want a signature like this? > > > iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new > businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion > dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. > > www.iWG.info > www.countryprofiler.com/iWG > www.visitmalta.com > www.mfc.com.mt > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message.> If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible> for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or > deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this > message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > >-- Kenneth Kalmer kenneth.kalmer@gmail.com http://opensourcery.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins'' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet@iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt
If memory serves me well... init 6 or reboot ________________________________ From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Vaneet Sharma Sent: 29 March 2005 10:33 To: CentOS discussion and information list Subject: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline Hello, I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos 4.0 I need to restart my server What is command line?> anyone knows vaneet Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins'' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe vaneet@iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 Want a signature like this? <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info <http://www.iwg.info/> www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com <http://www.visitmalta.com/> www.mfc.com.mt <http://www.mfc.com.mt/> Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email.
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 12:23 +0200, Vaneet Sharma wrote:> Thank you > Im reading the documentationOne more unsolicited suggestion - next time you''re googling try entering the search terms esr smart questions The first item in the response should be worth reading. Good luck with Linux, and come back when still stumped after reading docs and googling for solutions. Phil
Thankx. Some info: sometimes a programmer has to do work of system administrator , and hence due to time and deadlines, it was better for me to ask from mailing list rather than searching and then doing trial and error 4-5 people have commented me out on asking some basic questions Im sorry, and thankx for references Vaneet -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Phil Schaffner Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:36 PM To: CentOS discussion and information list Subject: RE: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 12:23 +0200, Vaneet Sharma wrote:> Thank you > Im reading the documentationOne more unsolicited suggestion - next time you''re googling try entering the search terms esr smart questions The first item in the response should be worth reading. Good luck with Linux, and come back when still stumped after reading docs and googling for solutions. Phil _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins'' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet@iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email.
I disagree with your response and many here. these kind of responses saying only ask here until you have goggle tell folks..we cannot be bothered with n00bs. This simply fosters the belief that Linux users are aloof and unhelpful. Telling somebody to google or look up the documentation is the right thing..telling somebody to not bother me(or the list) except as a last resort is the wrong thing. Just my .02. Kenneth Kalmer wrote:> # reboot -n > > No offense Vaneet, how long have you been running Linux now? These > questions are very basic and your filling up our inboxes with crap. > Visit www.linuxquestions.org, or just Google for answers. > > Only, and ONLY, when Google doesn''t know it and you''ve AT LEAST tried > 10 times ask the list. > > Regards and goog luck with your walk down our road :) > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:33:14 +0200, Vaneet Sharma <vaneet@iwg.info> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>Hello, >>I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos 4.0 >>I need to restart my server >> >>What is command line?> anyone knows >> >>vaneet >>Vaneet Sharma >>executive manager iDeasTank Limited >>an iwg business >>dolphins'' court po 388 >>valletta, m-malta/europe >>vaneet@iwg.info >>call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET >> >>mobile: >>+356 9943 8263 >>skype: CALLVANEET >>fax: +356 9952 8888 >>phone: +356 9942 8888 >>Want a signature like this? >> >> >>iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new >>businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar >>mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. >> >>www.iWG.info >>www.countryprofiler.com/iWG >>www.visitmalta.com >>www.mfc.com.mt >>Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If >>you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for >>delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this >>message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly >>notify the sender by reply email. >>_______________________________________________ >>CentOS mailing list >>CentOS@caosity.org >>http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> >> >> > > >
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:12 -0500, William Warren wrote:> I disagree with your response and many here. these kind of > responses saying only ask here until you have goggle tell > folks..we cannot be bothered with n00bs. This simply fosters the > belief that Linux users are aloof and unhelpful. Telling > somebody to google or look up the documentation is the right > thing..telling somebody to not bother me(or the list) except as a > last resort is the wrong thing. Just my .02.I think asking questions is fine ... even very easy ones. That is the purpose of the list. I think RTFM and the like are not very good answers. There are lots of questions that I (and others) have that are easy for someone ... and there are lots of questions that I see asked that are easy for me. This list is growing very rapidly, because CentOS is the best EL rebuild out there. That means there will be lots more experienced users and lots of new users. The list volume is going to continue to go up as CentOS grows ... which is good, right? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://localhost.localdomain/pipermail/centos/attachments/20050329/fe847a50/attachment.bin
Thankx Well, I will try to ask questions after googling them. I understand that some people here on list did not liked that I asked some basic questions. They can say the same thing politely as well. That''s my point here. The thing is: im completely new to linux..... Thank you William Warren and John Hughes. Kind Regards. Vaneet -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Hughes Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:26 PM To: CentOS Users Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:12 -0500, William Warren wrote:> I disagree with your response and many here. these kind of > responses saying only ask here until you have goggle tell > folks..we cannot be bothered with n00bs. This simply fosters the > belief that Linux users are aloof and unhelpful. Telling > somebody to google or look up the documentation is the right > thing..telling somebody to not bother me(or the list) except as a > last resort is the wrong thing. Just my .02.I think asking questions is fine ... even very easy ones. That is the purpose of the list. I think RTFM and the like are not very good answers. There are lots of questions that I (and others) have that are easy for someone ... and there are lots of questions that I see asked that are easy for me. This list is growing very rapidly, because CentOS is the best EL rebuild out there. That means there will be lots more experienced users and lots of new users. The list volume is going to continue to go up as CentOS grows ... which is good, right? Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins'' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet@iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email.
* Johnny Hughes <mailing-lists@hughesjr.com> [2005-03-29 14:28:31]:> On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:12 -0500, William Warren wrote: > > I disagree with your response and many here. these kind of > > responses saying only ask here until you have goggle tell > > folks..we cannot be bothered with n00bs. This simply fosters the > > belief that Linux users are aloof and unhelpful. Telling > > somebody to google or look up the documentation is the right > > thing..telling somebody to not bother me(or the list) except as a > > last resort is the wrong thing. Just my .02. > > I think asking questions is fine ... even very easy ones.I don''t have a problem with answering simple questions, if the person asking it has demonstrated that they''ve tried to solve the problem themselves or at least looked elsewhere for clues. What I do have a problem with is people who want to be spoon-fed the answer without having to learn anything, because when you answer them and do all their work for them, they''ll just come back for another helping, and again, and again, etc. which overall, de-values the list IMHO. Help those who help themselves, etc. Matt -- "Accept anything. Then explain it your way." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://localhost.localdomain/pipermail/centos/attachments/20050329/8688f234/attachment.bin
> -----Original Message----- > From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org]On> Behalf Of Johnny Hughes > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:26 AM > To: CentOS Users > Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline > > On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:12 -0500, William Warren wrote: > > I disagree with your response and many here. these kind of > > responses saying only ask here until you have goggle tell > > folks..we cannot be bothered with n00bs. This simply fosters the > > belief that Linux users are aloof and unhelpful. Telling > > somebody to google or look up the documentation is the right > > thing..telling somebody to not bother me(or the list) except as a > > last resort is the wrong thing. Just my .02. > > I think asking questions is fine ... even very easy ones. > > That is the purpose of the list.Not really. CentOS specific questions, yes, but general Linux administration questions or questions about how to configure applications bundled with CentOS like squid or apache, no. There are significant resources outside of this mailing list to answer those questions, starting with the documentation for the software in question, Google, mailing lists specific to the software (specifically their archives), news groups, books, this lists archives, etc. This list should be a last resort for those types of questions. Remember, CentOS is RedHat AS. There are going to be very few questions that are _really_ CentOS specific or that haven''t been encountered by many other people.> I think RTFM and the like are not very good answers.They''re excellent answers, especially when combined with a pointer as to where to find the information they''re looking for. It encourages the person the learn where to find the answers they need and to become self sufficient. If someone knows they can always send a single email to thousands of people to get an answer they need there''s no reason to learn how to find the information for themselves. Mailing lists should always be a last resort, not the first.> There are lots of questions that I (and others) have that are easy for > someone ... and there are lots of questions that I see asked that are > easy for me.As the case may be, but in any event, this list should be the last place to go for answers.> This list is growing very rapidly, because CentOS is the best ELrebuild> out there. That means there will be lots more experienced users and > lots of new users. The list volume is going to continue to go up as > CentOS grows ... which is good, right?Absolutely not. The more inane chatter and basic questions there are, the more likely it is that the real questions will get skipped or missed entirely. I know that I spend about 1-2 seconds glancing at a message before either deleting it or queuing it for answer simply because of the volume of this and other lists I am on. That''s barely enough time to register the highlights of the question, presuming that the author provided clear, useful information. High volume == low quality. The perception that high volume is good must not be encouraged as everyone will suffer. If I had a suggestion it would be that the CentOS guys create a Posting Guidelines page that included information on where to find answers in general as well as specific information that should be included when posting to the list to foster the best chances of getting an answer. -- Marc
On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:42 AM, Vaneet Sharma wrote:> Thankx. > > Some info: sometimes a programmer has to do work of system > administrator > , and hence due to time and deadlines, it was better for me to ask from > mailing list rather than searching and then doing trial and errorWe all experience time and deadlines, your time is no more valuable than ours. I suggest you browse over to Red Hat''s site and review their RHEL documentation, it is quite good. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net
Jason Dixon wrote:> On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:42 AM, Vaneet Sharma wrote: > >> Thankx. >> >> Some info: sometimes a programmer has to do work of system administrator >> , and hence due to time and deadlines, it was better for me to ask from >> mailing list rather than searching and then doing trial and error > > > We all experience time and deadlines, your time is no more valuable > than ours. I suggest you browse over to Red Hat''s site and review > their RHEL documentation, it is quite good. >When it comes to computers, we are all ''STUPID'', just at different levels. Me, I''ve for years (RH5.1) been using shutdown -r now and I''ve learned of other methods today. Also, one never knows, this fellow could be the person who has written or may be an expert with a particular package we use everyday. To him, any question we ask about that package would well..... seem stupid. Whatever... we''ve wasted way more bandwidth/time talking about it than the question ever caused. ;) John Hinton
darshan jadav wrote:>>>Hello, >>>I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos >>>4.0 >>>I need to restart my server >>> >>>What is command line?> anyone knows >> > > dunno if u need to go thru docz or not, but u shld defintely shorten > yr signature ;-)Actually, the signature is really the scary part. It reads "iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses". Somebody in charge of multi-billion dollar Internet businesses does not know how to restart the server (or have somebody on the site who knows)... -- Aleksandar Milivojevic <amilivojevic@pbl.ca> Pollard Banknote Limited Systems Administrator 1499 Buffalo Place Tel: (204) 474-2323 ext 276 Winnipeg, MB R3T 1L7
Marc Powell wrote:> Not really. CentOS specific questions, yes, but general Linux > administration questions or questions about how to configure > applications bundled with CentOS like squid or apache, no.Actually, you are now deep into gray area. The Apache and/or Squid folks might also point that you are not running current version (but rather version with backported patches plus distribution specific patches that were never present in original sources), and that you should check for your problems at your distribution''s mailing list (such as CentOS mailing list) or install the latest tarball. This list is for the users of CentOS. Therefore, any question about the distribution itslef or any of its components is on the topic. Yes, somebody can get more help from "component specific list", but that doesn''t mean this list is wrong place to ask. -- Aleksandar Milivojevic <amilivojevic@pbl.ca> Pollard Banknote Limited Systems Administrator 1499 Buffalo Place Tel: (204) 474-2323 ext 276 Winnipeg, MB R3T 1L7
Thanks Marc, you said it much better than I did earlier. Vaneet, apologies for my earlier response. I went through the entire thread again and I did step out of line. For the rest of the community, I just completed my first CentOS production installation a few hours ago (spent the entire morning in the server room). I must admit that I''m delighted! I''m a big RHEL & FC fan, but today I added CentOS to that list. Thanks to everyone involved for the great work, and to all the newbies, the stubborn old ones will try harder to make Linux easier for you! On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:18:10 -0600, Marc Powell <marc@ena.com> wrote:> > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] > On > > Behalf Of Johnny Hughes > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:26 AM > > To: CentOS Users > > Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline > > > > On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:12 -0500, William Warren wrote: > > > I disagree with your response and many here. these kind of > > > responses saying only ask here until you have goggle tell > > > folks..we cannot be bothered with n00bs. This simply fosters the > > > belief that Linux users are aloof and unhelpful. Telling > > > somebody to google or look up the documentation is the right > > > thing..telling somebody to not bother me(or the list) except as a > > > last resort is the wrong thing. Just my .02. > > > > I think asking questions is fine ... even very easy ones. > > > > That is the purpose of the list. > > Not really. CentOS specific questions, yes, but general Linux > administration questions or questions about how to configure > applications bundled with CentOS like squid or apache, no. There are > significant resources outside of this mailing list to answer those > questions, starting with the documentation for the software in question, > Google, mailing lists specific to the software (specifically their > archives), news groups, books, this lists archives, etc. This list > should be a last resort for those types of questions. Remember, CentOS > is RedHat AS. There are going to be very few questions that are _really_ > CentOS specific or that haven''t been encountered by many other people. > > > > I think RTFM and the like are not very good answers. > > They''re excellent answers, especially when combined with a pointer as to > where to find the information they''re looking for. It encourages the > person the learn where to find the answers they need and to become self > sufficient. If someone knows they can always send a single email to > thousands of people to get an answer they need there''s no reason to > learn how to find the information for themselves. Mailing lists should > always be a last resort, not the first. > > > There are lots of questions that I (and others) have that are easy for > > someone ... and there are lots of questions that I see asked that are > > easy for me. > > As the case may be, but in any event, this list should be the last place > to go for answers. > > > This list is growing very rapidly, because CentOS is the best EL > rebuild > > out there. That means there will be lots more experienced users and > > lots of new users. The list volume is going to continue to go up as > > CentOS grows ... which is good, right? > > Absolutely not. The more inane chatter and basic questions there are, > the more likely it is that the real questions will get skipped or missed > entirely. I know that I spend about 1-2 seconds glancing at a message > before either deleting it or queuing it for answer simply because of the > volume of this and other lists I am on. That''s barely enough time to > register the highlights of the question, presuming that the author > provided clear, useful information. High volume == low quality. The > perception that high volume is good must not be encouraged as everyone > will suffer. > > If I had a suggestion it would be that the CentOS guys create a Posting > Guidelines page that included information on where to find answers in > general as well as specific information that should be included when > posting to the list to foster the best chances of getting an answer. > > -- > Marc > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@caosity.org > http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >-- Kenneth Kalmer kenneth.kalmer@gmail.com http://opensourcery.blogspot.com
It isn't that you are wrong, as much as there is a perfectly valid reason not to answer those questions. Because then people will ask them. And return and ask another. They are all simple except that you become a resource, and that grows. Support Irc channels are the easiest to see this in. It isn't that it's difficult to answer these questions, it just gives no incentive for people to try and learn the answer themselves, which stunts their growth and makes them lean more on assistance. It's easier on us all to force people to try and figure out the easy answers, because if you can't figure out with google how to restart linux from the command line, how will you be able to resolve 22 dependencies with 10 perl modules that require you to debug on 3 of them error messages that.. you get the point. 2 cents.> -----Original Message----- > From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org] On > Behalf Of Peter Farrow > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:56 AM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline > > I agree, > > If a question really is very simple to answer, why not just give the > answer, after all asking questions is how we all learn.... > > Self importance really is ultimatelty self-defeating, no one knows > everything....and one day we all have to ask. > > I've been in the computing game far too long to to claim to know > definite answers to everything, the more you learn the more > > you realise you don't know! > > ;-) > > P. > > > > Joao Medeiros wrote: > > >Same happened to me when I joined the Fedora dlist and asked some > >newbie question which I'm too ashamed to remember now :-) > > > >Point is, the time it takes to reply with a "you're wasting my time" > >could actually be used to give some help. If peeps are too busy why > >bothering replying with nasty comments in the first place?! > > > >Just my 2 cents... > > > > > >On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:37:08 -0700, Collins Richey<crichey at gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > >>Every list goes through this sort of thrashing: > >> > >>1. There are some users who are too self-important to remember back > >>when they were once n00bs. From what I've heard, these are the bulk > >>of users on the Debian lists <grin>. > >> > >>2. There are others who can provide the simple answer AND a gentle > >>reminder where the n00b might find the answer him/herself. What'sthe> >>old saying: "You ctch more flies with honey than with vinegar." > >> > >>3. Then there is the group (actually, subcategory of 1) who neverhas> >>any time and can't be bothered to read anything other than > >>super-intellectual stuff and who fills the replies with "your're > >>wasting our time." > >> > >>The most successful lists have a lot of users in category 2. > >> > >>Enjoy, > >> > >>-- > >> Collins > >> When I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 millionof> them, > >> it was the start of a new Arab world.... The Berlin Wall has > fallen. > >> - Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt > >>_______________________________________________ > >>CentOS mailing list > >>CentOS at centos.org > >>http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >CentOS mailing list > >CentOS at centos.org > >http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Well, this conversation started with me I just asked two silly questions and no where did i mention panicking or sound begging ? The reason i asked them from team was 1) i can get right answer in right time ( as there are so many distros of linux) 2) i was so eager to learn and run apache and tomcat on linux that these small things were coming as hindrance to my main aim Regarding, spoon fed, i dont think if anyone can reach the stage of joining the CENTOS mailing list is spoon fed if i can join this mailing list, install Centos on my own, run apache and run tomcat, if i can code java and restart application servers, i dont think i am spoon fed Of cours i dont know how to start centos from command line because I am not a system administrator and never was and never did. I think aim of this mailing list is to help new users get right answers in right time. There is too much information on internet which waste lot of time and also ............................ there are too many ways to do same thing. for e.g setting JAVA_HOME from bashrc and also from etc\profile Does anyone has comments from what i stated above. People here on the list have lot of ego's and they dont want to move from their point If u read my previous emails, i was criticised by 5 people, i apologised and also am thankful in giving me new direction. bottom line: if you are that much agigated, please do not answer my questions and delete the email. it is better. kind regards Vaneet -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces at centos.org on behalf of Greg Knaddison Sent: Wed 3/30/2005 5:37 PM To: CentOS mailing list Cc: Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:56:00 +0100, Peter Farrow <peter at farrows.org> wrote: > If a question really is very simple to answer, why not just give the > answer, after all asking questions is how we all learn.... > No. RTFM and then ask questions is how we all learn. If I see a question I'm interested in that I don't know the answer to, I'll do some research and find the answer. 75% of the time that I make a post that's what it's based upon. I'm frequently happy to do it because I'm increasing my own knowledge, but when the poster is of the "I need to be spoon fed" variety and asks a follow up question that is clearly answered online it's a waste of everyone's time. Besides, how many times have you seen the "I REALLY NEED HELP RIGHT NOW OMG I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO XYZ!!!!! MY BOSS IS GOING TO FIRE ME, HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME!"? If you're used to getting spoon-fed and then get into a situation where you need help right now, spoon feeding is very unlikely to happen fast enough, but man/info/google are always there, unless you never learned to use them ;) I agree with Collins. The more people in his "group 2" the better. Respond with help and respond with a nudge. Greg _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet at iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7742 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20050330/47de9753/attachment-0005.bin>
Hello, Vaneet. I understand and agree with what you are saying. It's true that it's becoming a bit agressive and it's sad. I think that you were right to ask those questions, and I don't think that the JAVA_HOME thing did hurt to ask. It even helped me so I'm happy you asked for. You asked only one or two basic questions but even though I think we should be able to ask them. However the rule to seach first before ask is still to keep in mind. Thus, the only thing that really misses here to my point of view is a place where we can get a search on all this precious mailing list. The google option is not very good because of the delay of inclusion (1-2 days I think) and also because we get other answers and we only want answers from here (and to be sure to have all of them), knowing that here is the most appropriate information. That's why I suggest putting on the home page of CentOS.org the following search motor's URL in the 'support' section: http://search.gmane.org/search.php?query=&email=&group=gmane.linux.centos.general&sort=relevance I'm sure that many new comers will appreciate it a lot. This will most probably also reduce by 2 or 3 times the amount of e-mails on this list. Kind regards to all, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: Vaneet Sharma To: CentOS mailing list Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline Well, this conversation started with me I just asked two silly questions and no where did i mention panicking or sound begging ? The reason i asked them from team was 1) i can get right answer in right time ( as there are so many distros of linux) 2) i was so eager to learn and run apache and tomcat on linux that these small things were coming as hindrance to my main aim Regarding, spoon fed, i dont think if anyone can reach the stage of joining the CENTOS mailing list is spoon fed if i can join this mailing list, install Centos on my own, run apache and run tomcat, if i can code java and restart application servers, i dont think i am spoon fed Of cours i dont know how to start centos from command line because I am not a system administrator and never was and never did. I think aim of this mailing list is to help new users get right answers in right time. There is too much information on internet which waste lot of time and also ............................ there are too many ways to do same thing. for e.g setting JAVA_HOME from bashrc and also from etc\profile Does anyone has comments from what i stated above. People here on the list have lot of ego's and they dont want to move from their point If u read my previous emails, i was criticised by 5 people, i apologised and also am thankful in giving me new direction. bottom line: if you are that much agigated, please do not answer my questions and delete the email. it is better. kind regards Vaneet
Hello Alexander, well, i just asked how to restart the server from command line ? i does not mean that i dont know how to restart ? if you ask how to open email from command line ? it does not mean that you have never checked an email before? lets come to mathematics and try to understand Well, regarding creating multi billion dollar business, you dont have to know everything You just need to know what is needed to make and create multi billion dollar business. I dont want to sound rude here, but now people have come down to my self respect i apologised on mailist list for asking this question. Do you want the users like us to be removed from this mailist list? Well, if it happens again, i dont want to be a user on this mailing list It seems to me that people here think that they know a lot. We , our company know a lot as well , ( we know how to make money ) and i hope this helps you people in understanding who we are Regards Vaneet -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces at caosity.org on behalf of Aleksandar Milivojevic Sent: Tue 3/29/2005 5:34 PM To: CentOS discussion and information list Cc: Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline darshan jadav wrote: >>>Hello, >>>I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos >>>4.0 >>>I need to restart my server >>> >>>What is command line?> anyone knows >> > > dunno if u need to go thru docz or not, but u shld defintely shorten > yr signature ;-) Actually, the signature is really the scary part. It reads "iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses". Somebody in charge of multi-billion dollar Internet businesses does not know how to restart the server (or have somebody on the site who knows)... -- Aleksandar Milivojevic <amilivojevic at pbl.ca> Pollard Banknote Limited Systems Administrator 1499 Buffalo Place Tel: (204) 474-2323 ext 276 Winnipeg, MB R3T 1L7 _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet at iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7586 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20050330/5b7df5ae/attachment-0005.bin>
Thank you very much Vaneet -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces at centos.org on behalf of dan1 Sent: Wed 3/30/2005 9:00 PM To: CentOS mailing list Cc: Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline Hello, Vaneet. I understand and agree with what you are saying. It's true that it's becoming a bit agressive and it's sad. I think that you were right to ask those questions, and I don't think that the JAVA_HOME thing did hurt to ask. It even helped me so I'm happy you asked for. You asked only one or two basic questions but even though I think we should be able to ask them. However the rule to seach first before ask is still to keep in mind. Thus, the only thing that really misses here to my point of view is a place where we can get a search on all this precious mailing list. The google option is not very good because of the delay of inclusion (1-2 days I think) and also because we get other answers and we only want answers from here (and to be sure to have all of them), knowing that here is the most appropriate information. That's why I suggest putting on the home page of CentOS.org the following search motor's URL in the 'support' section: http://search.gmane.org/search.php?query=&email=&group=gmane.linux.centos.general&sort=relevance I'm sure that many new comers will appreciate it a lot. This will most probably also reduce by 2 or 3 times the amount of e-mails on this list. Kind regards to all, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: Vaneet Sharma To: CentOS mailing list Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline Well, this conversation started with me I just asked two silly questions and no where did i mention panicking or sound begging ? The reason i asked them from team was 1) i can get right answer in right time ( as there are so many distros of linux) 2) i was so eager to learn and run apache and tomcat on linux that these small things were coming as hindrance to my main aim Regarding, spoon fed, i dont think if anyone can reach the stage of joining the CENTOS mailing list is spoon fed if i can join this mailing list, install Centos on my own, run apache and run tomcat, if i can code java and restart application servers, i dont think i am spoon fed Of cours i dont know how to start centos from command line because I am not a system administrator and never was and never did. I think aim of this mailing list is to help new users get right answers in right time. There is too much information on internet which waste lot of time and also ........................... there are too many ways to do same thing. for e.g setting JAVA_HOME from bashrc and also from etc\profile Does anyone has comments from what i stated above. People here on the list have lot of ego's and they dont want to move from their point If u read my previous emails, i was criticised by 5 people, i apologised and also am thankful in giving me new direction. bottom line: if you are that much agigated, please do not answer my questions and delete the email. it is better. kind regards Vaneet _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet at iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7682 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20050330/a5cbcb28/attachment-0005.bin>
Vaneet Sharma wrote:> Well, regarding creating multi billion dollar business, you dont have to know everythingI was just trying to be a bit funny. But it seems I wasn't as funny as I thought I was ;-)> You just need to know what is needed to make and create multi billion dollar business.That one is easy. To create multi billion dollar business you need money. Because only money can create more money. Everyting else is small details that will be taken care of by people who will never profit from the business itself. Just look at Microsoft, at the beggining you had one guy who had more money than he could ever possibly need, and he become even richer because he was rich to begin with. On the other side you had bunch of developers whose wealth is constantly at about the same level (not that I feel sorry for them looking at the final product). Simple, easy, clean ;-) Point of the story? If you have money, you don't need to reboot servers to create more money ;-) -- Aleksandar Milivojevic <amilivojevic at pbl.ca> Pollard Banknote Limited Systems Administrator 1499 Buffalo Place Tel: (204) 474-2323 ext 276 Winnipeg, MB R3T 1L7
you need to learn business i think ) to create multi dollar business, you need ideas, a team of people, a vision and a risk. Try this what i said and may be if u become rich, drop me a thank you Lets drop the argument cos it will never end ( we both have different ways to look at things and hence compromise will never reach) have fun -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces at centos.org on behalf of Aleksandar Milivojevic Sent: Wed 3/30/2005 10:59 PM To: CentOS mailing list Cc: Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline Vaneet Sharma wrote: > Well, regarding creating multi billion dollar business, you dont have to know everything I was just trying to be a bit funny. But it seems I wasn't as funny as I thought I was ;-) > You just need to know what is needed to make and create multi billion dollar business. That one is easy. To create multi billion dollar business you need money. Because only money can create more money. Everyting else is small details that will be taken care of by people who will never profit from the business itself. Just look at Microsoft, at the beggining you had one guy who had more money than he could ever possibly need, and he become even richer because he was rich to begin with. On the other side you had bunch of developers whose wealth is constantly at about the same level (not that I feel sorry for them looking at the final product). Simple, easy, clean ;-) Point of the story? If you have money, you don't need to reboot servers to create more money ;-) -- Aleksandar Milivojevic <amilivojevic at pbl.ca> Pollard Banknote Limited Systems Administrator 1499 Buffalo Place Tel: (204) 474-2323 ext 276 Winnipeg, MB R3T 1L7 _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Vaneet Sharma executive manager iDeasTank Limited an iwg business dolphins' court po 388 valletta, m-malta/europe mobile: +356 9943 8263 skype: CALLVANEET fax: +356 9952 8888 phone: +356 9942 8888 vaneet at iwg.info call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET Want a signature like this? - www.plaxo.com\signature iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. www.iWG.info www.countryprofiler.com/iWG www.visitmalta.com www.mfc.com.mt Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6954 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20050331/461f166d/attachment-0005.bin>
reboot now On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:33:14 +0200, Vaneet Sharma <vaneet at iwg.info> wrote:> > > > > Hello, > I am connecting to my server through SecureCRT. Server is running Centos 4.0 > I need to restart my server > > What is command line?> anyone knows > > vaneet > Vaneet Sharma > executive manager iDeasTank Limited > an iwg business > dolphins' court po 388 > valletta, m-malta/europe > vaneet at iwg.info > call me on www.skype.com - my ID is CALLVANEET > > mobile: > +356 9943 8263 > skype: CALLVANEET > fax: +356 9952 8888 > phone: +356 9942 8888 > Want a signature like this? > > > iwg is a global e-mobile company creating, building and growing new > businesses. iwg founders are pioneers in creating multi-billion dollar > mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and the US. > > www.iWG.info > www.countryprofiler.com/iWG > www.visitmalta.com > www.mfc.com.mt > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for > delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this > message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly > notify the sender by reply email. > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at caosity.org > http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > >