Phillip_James at gardencitygroup.com
2004-Nov-29 14:31 UTC
[Centos] Re: CentOS digest, Vol 1 #201 - 1 msg
thanks for the head up. what os are you running on the blades??
Phillip James
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1. Re: installing CentOS on the IBM BladeCenter (Ted Kaczmarek)
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:52:45 -0500
From: Ted Kaczmarek <tedkaz at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Centos] installing CentOS on the IBM BladeCenter
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The IBM Bladecenter is one of the worst abominations I have ever come
across. I can see it being a web commerce site in a box, but other that
that the thing is a boat anchor. Their Dlink switches are absolute
garbage, after 9 upgrades I only have to reboot them once a month now.
We tried the OEM Cisco switch, they gave me bad hardware, since their
support people didn't know a frame from a packet they were unable to
resolve it. Finally we sent the Cisco's back. Our rep finally tells us
they are coming out with ethernet pass through, which we purchased. I
pray that these work. The management station hangs about once every 2
months as well. Then only thing I have ever come across that compares to
this POS is Sun's E10k, the memory latency rendered it useless as well.
I am also perplexed how many people got sucked in on these, they where
ripped to shreds on slash dot, the over subscription with 4 ports is
more than 3 to 1, and qos is only of any use up to 4 queues with the
Notrel hardware.
Also their ROI numbers are a joke, ( I am not even considering the 150
or so man hours to get it to work at all, at 125$ a pop that pays for 4
loaded 345's) once you add the whole enchillada up, it is much cheaper
to use 345's even with 14 blades in a chassis.
I also have a hard time putting anything critical on a box that uses
Toshiba laptop hard drives and doesn't have serial console.
I guess if one doesn't need serial consoles, and real local disk IO and
network IO is may be a good solution, but to me its a boat anchor.
Sorry for ranting, but I needed this, just got off a bloody battle with
a moron vendor who had no clue what a don't fragment flag is. They
rolled out a whole bunch of Solaris patches that appear to hard code the
DF flag to set.
Ted
On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:37 -0500, Phillip_James at gardencitygroup.com
wrote:> thanks
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> Phillip James
> System Administrator
> The Garden City Group, Inc.
> 105 Maxess Road
> Melville, NY 11747-3836
> Phone: (631) 470-5044
> Fax: (631) 940-6561
> E-mail: Phillip.James at GardenCityGroup.com
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> Strange, w/ RHEL3ES it didn't require any driver disks. I just used
> the 4 ISO's. I'll have to see if I have a spare blade that I could
> try CentOS on, but I believe the rest are all being used by our
> Windows admins.
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> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:28:32 -0500, phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com
> <phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com> wrote:
> >
> > I got RHEL 3ES installed but the do not what to buy entittlements for
all> > my servers. So I tryed to install CentOS but it did not work.
> >
> > I did a "linux dd" were dd = RHEL3ES dd disk for the
BladeCenter but it
> did
> > not work.
> >
> >
> >
> > Phillip James
> > System Administrator
> > The Garden City Group, Inc.
> > 105 Maxess Road
> > Melville, NY 11747-3836
> > Phone: (631) 470-5044
> > Fax: (631) 940-6561
> > E-mail: Phillip.James at GardenCityGroup.com
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> > A couple months ago I installed RHEL3ES on 3 blades on each of 2
> > eSeries Blade Centers. You can even use the Blade Center's web
> > interface to remotely view the screen. If you have the media in the
> > system you can install it remotely.
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> > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:40:08 -0500, phillip_james at
gardencitygroup.com
> > <phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com> wrote:
> > > Has any one install CentOS 3.3 or early on a IBM BladeCenter
eServers
> > > (HS20)
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> > > Phillip James
> > > System Administrator
> > > The Garden City Group, Inc.
> > > 105 Maxess Road
> > > Melville, NY 11747-3836
> > > Phone: (631) 470-5044
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Redhat ES. Don't get me wrong, if you need a web commerce dmz in a box it would appear to be fine for that, as outages and down time are not so critical and as fail over is easier to deal with. It is designed to fit well in that space.>From what I see happening now, IBM is selling ethernet pass throughs andsupposedly adding SCSI drives in a future version. That will address some of its shortcomings, but now the concept behind the blade technology changes, and the marketing spin continues. So if you must hold out for the next gen.>From what I am seeing from Egenera these days I regret we didn't go thatway :-(, you get what you pay for. The things have a real backplane these days, which was the major short coming in its earlier versions. The pan manager also seems like a more humane interface. Ted On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 09:31 -0500, Phillip_James at gardencitygroup.com wrote:> thanks for the head up. what os are you running on the blades?? > > > Phillip James > System Administrator > The Garden City Group, Inc. > 105 Maxess Road > Melville, NY 11747-3836 > Phone: (631) 470-5044 > Fax: (631) 940-6561 > E-mail: Phillip.James at GardenCityGroup.com > ===================================================> This communication (including any attachments) is intended for the use of > the intended recipient(s) only and may contain information that is > confidential, privileged or legally protected. Any unauthorized use or > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender > by return e-mail message and delete all copies of the original > communication. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > |---------+----------------------------> > | | centos-request at ca| > | | osity.org | > | | Sent by: | > | | centos-admin at caos| > | | ity.org | > | | | > | | | > | | 11/25/2004 07:00 | > | | AM | > | | Please respond to| > | | centos | > |---------+----------------------------> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: centos at caosity.org | > | cc: | > | Subject: CentOS digest, Vol 1 #201 - 1 msg | > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > Send CentOS mailing list submissions to > centos at caosity.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > centos-request at caosity.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > centos-admin at caosity.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CentOS digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: installing CentOS on the IBM BladeCenter (Ted Kaczmarek) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:52:45 -0500 > From: Ted Kaczmarek <tedkaz at optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [Centos] installing CentOS on the IBM BladeCenter > To: centos at caosity.org > Reply-To: tedkaz at optonline.net > > The IBM Bladecenter is one of the worst abominations I have ever come > across. I can see it being a web commerce site in a box, but other that > that the thing is a boat anchor. Their Dlink switches are absolute > garbage, after 9 upgrades I only have to reboot them once a month now. > We tried the OEM Cisco switch, they gave me bad hardware, since their > support people didn't know a frame from a packet they were unable to > resolve it. Finally we sent the Cisco's back. Our rep finally tells us > they are coming out with ethernet pass through, which we purchased. I > pray that these work. The management station hangs about once every 2 > months as well. Then only thing I have ever come across that compares to > this POS is Sun's E10k, the memory latency rendered it useless as well. > > I am also perplexed how many people got sucked in on these, they where > ripped to shreds on slash dot, the over subscription with 4 ports is > more than 3 to 1, and qos is only of any use up to 4 queues with the > Notrel hardware. > > Also their ROI numbers are a joke, ( I am not even considering the 150 > or so man hours to get it to work at all, at 125$ a pop that pays for 4 > loaded 345's) once you add the whole enchillada up, it is much cheaper > to use 345's even with 14 blades in a chassis. > > I also have a hard time putting anything critical on a box that uses > Toshiba laptop hard drives and doesn't have serial console. > > I guess if one doesn't need serial consoles, and real local disk IO and > network IO is may be a good solution, but to me its a boat anchor. > > Sorry for ranting, but I needed this, just got off a bloody battle with > a moron vendor who had no clue what a don't fragment flag is. They > rolled out a whole bunch of Solaris patches that appear to hard code the > DF flag to set. > > Ted > > > On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:37 -0500, Phillip_James at gardencitygroup.com > wrote: > > thanks > > > > > > Phillip James > > System Administrator > > The Garden City Group, Inc. > > 105 Maxess Road > > Melville, NY 11747-3836 > > Phone: (631) 470-5044 > > Fax: (631) 940-6561 > > E-mail: Phillip.James at GardenCityGroup.com > > ===================================================> > This communication (including any attachments) is intended for the use of > > the intended recipient(s) only and may contain information that is > > confidential, privileged or legally protected. Any unauthorized use or > > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > > received this communication in error, please immediately notify the > sender > > by return e-mail message and delete all copies of the original > > communication. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > > > > > |---------+----------------------------> > > | | Matt Shields | > > | | <mattboston at gmail| > > | | .com> | > > | | | > > | | 11/24/2004 03:36 | > > | | PM | > > | | Please respond to| > > | | Matt Shields | > > |---------+----------------------------> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > | > | > > | To: "phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com" > <phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com> > | > > | cc: centos at caosity.org > | > > | Subject: Re: [Centos] installing CentOS on the IBM BladeCenter > | > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > > > > > Strange, w/ RHEL3ES it didn't require any driver disks. I just used > > the 4 ISO's. I'll have to see if I have a spare blade that I could > > try CentOS on, but I believe the rest are all being used by our > > Windows admins. > > > > > > -- > > Matt Shields > > http://masnetworks.biz/ > > http://www.caosity.org/ > > > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:28:32 -0500, phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com > > <phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com> wrote: > > > > > > I got RHEL 3ES installed but the do not what to buy entittlements for > all > > > my servers. So I tryed to install CentOS but it did not work. > > > > > > I did a "linux dd" were dd = RHEL3ES dd disk for the BladeCenter but it > > did > > > not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Phillip James > > > System Administrator > > > The Garden City Group, Inc. > > > 105 Maxess Road > > > Melville, NY 11747-3836 > > > Phone: (631) 470-5044 > > > Fax: (631) 940-6561 > > > E-mail: Phillip.James at GardenCityGroup.com > > > ===================================================> > > This communication (including any attachments) is intended for the use > of > > > the intended recipient(s) only and may contain information that is > > > confidential, privileged or legally protected. Any unauthorized use or > > > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you > have > > > received this communication in error, please immediately notify the > > sender > > > by return e-mail message and delete all copies of the original > > > communication. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > > > > > > |---------+----------------------------> > > > | | Matt Shields | > > > | | <mattboston at gmail| > > > | | .com> | > > > | | | > > > | | 11/24/2004 02:50 | > > > | | PM | > > > | | Please respond to| > > > | | Matt Shields | > > > |---------+----------------------------> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > | > > | > > > | To: "phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com" > > <phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com> > > | > > > | cc: centos at caosity.org > > | > > > | Subject: Re: [Centos] installing CentOS on the IBM > BladeCenter > > | > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple months ago I installed RHEL3ES on 3 blades on each of 2 > > > eSeries Blade Centers. You can even use the Blade Center's web > > > interface to remotely view the screen. If you have the media in the > > > system you can install it remotely. > > > > > > -- > > > Matt Shields > > > http://masnetworks.biz/ > > > http://www.caosity.org/ > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:40:08 -0500, phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com > > > <phillip_james at gardencitygroup.com> wrote: > > > > Has any one install CentOS 3.3 or early on a IBM BladeCenter eServers > > > > (HS20) > > > > > > > > Phillip James > > > > System Administrator > > > > The Garden City Group, Inc. > > > > 105 Maxess Road > > > > Melville, NY 11747-3836 > > > > Phone: (631) 470-5044 > > > > Fax: (631) 940-6561 > > > > E-mail: Phillip.James at GardenCityGroup.com > > > > ===================================================> > > > This communication (including any attachments) is intended for the > use > > of > > > > the intended recipient(s) only and may contain information that is > > > > confidential, privileged or legally protected. 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