asterisk users - Oct 2005 - Open Source Content Management System - Joomla

There was some discussion in the past about which one is the best
Content Management System that can be used in conjunction with Asterisk.
Mambo was supposed to be the best out there under GPL. The guys who
developed Mambo have a new product now - Joomla. I am using this and it
appears to be better than Mambo in many respects. Read the gist about
Joomla below.

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If you've read anything at all about Content Management Systems (CMS),
you'll probably know at least three things: CMS are the most exciting
way to do business, CMS can be really, I mean really, complicated and
lastly Portals are absolutely, outrageously, often unaffordably
expensive. 

Joomla! is set to change all that ... Joomla! is different from the
normal models for portal software. For a start, it's not complicated.
Joomla! has been developed for the masses. It's licensed under the
GNU/GPL license, easy to install and administer and reliable. Joomla!
doesn't even require the user or administrator of the system to know
HTML to operate it once it's up and running.

http://www.joomla.org/

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I'd also like to through the into the discussion my recommendation for
www.xoops.org much better solution than Mambo as far shorter learning
curve.

Also larger development team behind Xoops, particularly as Mambo is now
split messily into two camps and the whole issue about who owns what.

For a demo of a Xoops site check out mine www.AussieNYmeetup.net

This is a site that probably took me about 20-25 hours to put together
(could probably build it in about half that time now that I know what
I'm doing).

I'd also like to suggest for your research you check out
www.opensourcecms.com it's an amzing site that has a whole heap of open
source software able to be custom defined so you can get a feel for the
'backend' of the various CMS platforms and after 30 minutes it
automatically resets itself back to normal.

That's how I found out about www.xoops.org

Cheers,
Dean
(btw what this has to do with asterisk I have no idea, just responding
to the initial question)




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> bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT)
> Sent: Monday, 10 October 2005 11:11 AM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Open Source Content Management System -
Joomla
> 
> There was some discussion in the past about which one is the best
> Content Management System that can be used in conjunction with
Asterisk.
> Mambo was supposed to be the best out there under GPL. The guys who
> developed Mambo have a new product now - Joomla. I am using this and
it
> appears to be better than Mambo in many respects. Read the gist about
> Joomla below.
> 
> -------------
> If you've read anything at all about Content Management Systems (CMS),
> you'll probably know at least three things: CMS are the most exciting
> way to do business, CMS can be really, I mean really, complicated and
> lastly Portals are absolutely, outrageously, often unaffordably
> expensive.
> 
> Joomla! is set to change all that ... Joomla! is different from the
> normal models for portal software. For a start, it's not complicated.
> Joomla! has been developed for the masses. It's licensed under the
> GNU/GPL license, easy to install and administer and reliable. Joomla!
> doesn't even require the user or administrator of the system to know
> HTML to operate it once it's up and running.
> 
> http://www.joomla.org/
> 
> --------------
> 
> Seshu Kanuri
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 11:10:59AM -0400, Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT)
wrote:
> There was some discussion in the past about which one is the best
> Content Management System that can be used in conjunction with Asterisk.
> Mambo was supposed to be the best out there under GPL. 
It depends who you ask. There are quite a few of them. 

And how exactly is Asterisk relevant to a CMS? could you give a more
specific example?

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Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT) wrote:
>There was some discussion in the past about which one is the best
>Content Management System that can be used in conjunction with Asterisk.
>Mambo was supposed to be the best out there under GPL. The guys who
>developed Mambo have a new product now - Joomla. I am using this and it
>appears to be better than Mambo in many respects. Read the gist about
>Joomla below.
>
>-------------
>If you've read anything at all about Content Management Systems (CMS),
>you'll probably know at least three things: CMS are the most exciting
>way to do business, CMS can be really, I mean really, complicated and
>lastly Portals are absolutely, outrageously, often unaffordably
>expensive. 
>
>Joomla! is set to change all that ... Joomla! is different from the
>normal models for portal software. For a start, it's not complicated.
>Joomla! has been developed for the masses. It's licensed under the
>GNU/GPL license, easy to install and administer and reliable. Joomla!
>doesn't even require the user or administrator of the system to know
>HTML to operate it once it's up and running.
>
>http://www.joomla.org/
>
>  
>
I spent a few days installing and test-driving several CMS and mambo won 
out. I was looking for one that would work well at least as a temporary 
solution for new small biz websites. So far the only upgrade has been 
the installation of an alternative WYSIWYG editor which I found via the 
mamboforge site. I downloaded lots of templates before I found one I 
liked. One must-have feature for me is a simple "contact us" page.
mambo
has that out of the box. I also like the pdf, print and email buttons 
being there. I found it easy enough to login as admin and quickly 
disable things not needed by the typical starter SOHO website. I 
definitely will be trying joomla soon.

Note that my evaluations were oriented towards a specific audience. Some 
of the other CMS packages probably are better for blogging, wikis, 
forums and so on. I just wanted to select a good CMS that will work on 
low cost self-service hosting. It worked on the $3.95/month starter 
account and works fine on everything I use above that including in-house 
servers.

Final note is that none of these packages and none of the commercial 
website builder tools I have tried look like they are noob-friendly 
enough. many of them will need an affordable startup support option or 
they will get too frustrated.

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 11:10:59AM -0400, Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT) wrote:
>  
>
>>There was some discussion in the past about which one is the best
>>Content Management System that can be used in conjunction with Asterisk.
>>Mambo was supposed to be the best out there under GPL. 
>>    
>>
>
>It depends who you ask. There are quite a few of them. 
>
>And how exactly is Asterisk relevant to a CMS? could you give a more
>specific example?
>
>  
>
Good point. I already posted to the thread and then noticed it was on 
-users. I think the last time it was discussed was on the -biz list. My 
apologies.

>And how exactly is Asterisk relevant to a CMS? could you give a more 
>specific example?
This is relevant where Administrative users wanted to manage their
Asterisk GUI setups like A@Home, AMP, Phonecall etc

Seshu
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> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 11:10:59AM -0400, Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT)
wrote:
> > There was some discussion in the past about which one is the best
> > Content Management System that can be used in conjunction with
Asterisk.
> > Mambo was supposed to be the best out there under GPL.
>
> It depends who you ask. There are quite a few of them.
>
> And how exactly is Asterisk relevant to a CMS? could you give a more
> specific example?
>
I would suspect that he is just pointing out that Joomla forked from Mambo
and "it
appears to be better than Mambo in many respects".  Possibly to draw a
parallel between asterisk and openpbx in the minds of some.  Maybe I am
wrong but why else would Seshu ask this here?

Our Web is based on Mambo portal software and it is connected with our
Asterisk installation.

We wrote our own CDR rating engine and modules for Mambo. Also, you can
register for VoIP termination services inside mambo.. we wrote one component
and couple of modules.

So, when user create an account on mambo, asterisk account is also created
automaticly (if choosed... cron script every 10 minutes) ...

CDR rating is simple, but it works.. there is no fancy things in rating like
tariffs or similar... (at this moment)

You can check on www.slsolucije.hr .. it is on Croatian.. but.. 

>-----Original Message-----
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>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT)
>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:21 PM
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Open Source Content Management System -
>Joomla
>
>>And how exactly is Asterisk relevant to a CMS? could you give a more
>>specific example?
>
>This is relevant where Administrative users wanted to manage their
>Asterisk GUI setups like A@Home, AMP, Phonecall etc
>
>Seshu
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Content Management Systems is very much relevant to Asterisk.

Please have a look at the AstBill DEMO: http://demo.astbill.com

AstBill is a Web Based Billing, Routing and Management Software for Asterisk
and MySQL based on Drupal. AstBill Provides pre and post Paid Billing
Services. AstBill completely automates Asterisk billing from start to
finish. Key benefits is the Central Web-based installation, Credit Control
on outgoing calls and the call routing module. AstBill is using the new
Asterisk REALTIME engine. Static configuration is also available.

We have developed a compleete Billing, Routing and Management software for
Asterisk and VOIP based on Drupal http://drupal.org

The advantages of using Drupal for this purposes is many

   - Customer management
   - Create and edit customers.
   - Product and recurrent products management.
   - Subscription management (Subscribe a customer to a recurrent
   product).
   - Multi-language support: The way you translate applications in Drupal
   is with a web interface. It is extremely easy and need no programming.
   - All the boring user configuration stuff like change password,
   security access with groups, email me your password, login, create user is
   done.
   - Drupal is Template Based. To change the look and feel just change
   the CSS or use the template engine. Very simple to give your resellers his
   own look and feel for the control panel. This functionality is for free in
   Drupal.
   - Drupal have a proven Database API on top of PHP. When it comes to
   security it is already proven and contains a lot of SQL Filtering and Escape
   character filters to ensure no HACKING!

Drupal gave us a programming framework that have saved countless hrs in
development of AstBill.
As Drupal is template based we can now implement custom made versions of
AstBill for our users with a new look and feel in nearly no time.


Are Casilla
http://astartelecom.com - Independent VOIP Telecoms Broker. Asterisk and
Drupal Consultants
http://astbill.com - Billing, Routing and Management software for Asterisk
and VOIP
AstBill DEMO: http://demo.astbill.com
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Are has answered this question with an example, which shall statisfy the
curious. 

-----Original Message-----
Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT) wrote:
> This is relevant where Administrative users wanted to manage their 
> Asterisk GUI setups like A@Home, AMP, Phonecall etc
Now you have made me curious :-)

In what way could a CMS contribute to this? (just curious because I'm
using some CMS for other purposes)

Cheers
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You may also like to check the Asterisk management module developed for
Drupal at http://www.drupal.org

Check in the list of modules available.

Seshu Kanuri

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From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Goran
Skular
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:35 AM
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Open Source Content Management System -
Joomla

Our Web is based on Mambo portal software and it is connected with our
Asterisk installation.

We wrote our own CDR rating engine and modules for Mambo. Also, you can
register for VoIP termination services inside mambo.. we wrote one
component and couple of modules.

So, when user create an account on mambo, asterisk account is also
created automaticly (if choosed... cron script every 10 minutes) ...

CDR rating is simple, but it works.. there is no fancy things in rating
like tariffs or similar... (at this moment)

You can check on www.slsolucije.hr .. it is on Croatian.. but.. 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- 
>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT)
>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:21 PM
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Open Source Content Management System - 
>Joomla
>
>>And how exactly is Asterisk relevant to a CMS? could you give a more 
>>specific example?
>
>This is relevant where Administrative users wanted to manage their 
>Asterisk GUI setups like A@Home, AMP, Phonecall etc
>
>Seshu
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Kanuri, Seshu (Company IT) wrote:
>You may also like to check the Asterisk management module developed for
>Drupal at http://www.drupal.org
>
>Check in the list of modules available.
>
>Seshu Kanuri
>
>  
>
This looks interesting. I already have a drupal installation so I will 
find some time to try this one out. If it works with my 
firefox/gnome/debian workstation I will be highly impressed.

I will also be highly impressed if I can use it so any family and 
friends with a broadband connection can call me.

I downloaded the module and first thing I see is the GPL license :-)