Hi.. I am about to replace my aging Nortel Venture system with an Asterisk system and 6 Polycom IP 501 phones, and a couple sipura 841's for less used areas. We have 3 phone lines here. One is SBC, one Vonage, and one Voipjet... One hangup is that I can't figure out how to pass through a voicemail waiting indication from SBC. This is important because my wife and her family all exchange voicemails with each other on the SBC voicemail system. They can leave messages for each other without having the phones ring, etc... We have a 2 yr old at home, and her sister has some small kids too, so that's how they manage to send voicemails when they are unsure if the kids are sleeping, etc... Anyway, preserving this capability of using the SBC VM and being notified when a message is waiting is critical for good WAF. The vonage line and voipjet line can be intergrated into the Asterisk VM. My Nortel venture phones light the MWI if any line has VM on it, and the display tells you which lines have VM waiting. I would love to be able to duplicate this function on the Polycom's and hopefully the Sipura's as well. I've looked for answers on this, but haven't found one, hence the post. My apologies if I have missed something. Thanks much, Mike ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
This is unrelated, but you may want to try the SPA-3000's rather than the SPA841's, my experience on the 841's has been problematic with quality issues. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Mike Myers Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:25 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] passing through MWI info from SBC Hi.. I am about to replace my aging Nortel Venture system with an Asterisk system and 6 Polycom IP 501 phones, and a couple sipura 841's for less used areas. We have 3 phone lines here. One is SBC, one Vonage, and one Voipjet... One hangup is that I can't figure out how to pass through a voicemail waiting indication from SBC. This is important because my wife and her family all exchange voicemails with each other on the SBC voicemail system. They can leave messages for each other without having the phones ring, etc... We have a 2 yr old at home, and her sister has some small kids too, so that's how they manage to send voicemails when they are unsure if the kids are sleeping, etc... Anyway, preserving this capability of using the SBC VM and being notified when a message is waiting is critical for good WAF. The vonage line and voipjet line can be intergrated into the Asterisk VM. My Nortel venture phones light the MWI if any line has VM on it, and the display tells you which lines have VM waiting. I would love to be able to duplicate this function on the Polycom's and hopefully the Sipura's as well. I've looked for answers on this, but haven't found one, hence the post. My apologies if I have missed something. Thanks much, Mike ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Mike Myers wrote:>Hi.. I am about to replace my aging Nortel Venture >system with an Asterisk system and 6 Polycom IP 501 >phones, and a couple sipura 841's for less used areas. > >We have 3 phone lines here. One is SBC, one Vonage, >and one Voipjet... One hangup is that I can't figure >out how to pass through a voicemail waiting indication >from SBC. This is important because my wife and her >family all exchange voicemails with each other on the >SBC voicemail system. They can leave messages for >each other without having the phones ring, etc... We >have a 2 yr old at home, and her sister has some small >kids too, so that's how they manage to send voicemails >when they are unsure if the kids are sleeping, etc... >Anyway, preserving this capability of using the SBC VM >and being notified when a message is waiting is >critical for good WAF. > >The vonage line and voipjet line can be intergrated >into the Asterisk VM. My Nortel venture phones light >the MWI if any line has VM on it, and the display >tells you which lines have VM waiting. I would love >to be able to duplicate this function on the Polycom's >and hopefully the Sipura's as well. > >I've looked for answers on this, but haven't found >one, hence the post. My apologies if I have missed >something. > >Thanks much, >Mike > >You haven't missed much. With SBC you are out of luck, since Asterisk doesn't detect dialtone ( it dials blind, sometimes too quickly for the CO to catch the first digit, resulting in wrong numbers )) or stutter dialtone either, and reportedly has had any indication of the DC status of a POTS line removed due to problems. Only choice would to port the number to a VOIP provider and provide the VM in Asterisk. Similar problem with Vonage VM. John Novack
John Novack wrote:>Mike Myers wrote:>>Hi.. I am about to replace my aging Nortel Venture >>system with an Asterisk system and 6 Polycom IP 501 >>phones, and a couple sipura 841's for less usedareas.>> >>We have 3 phone lines here. One is SBC, one Vonage, >>and one Voipjet... One hangup is that I can'tfigure>>out how to pass through a voicemail waitingindication>>from SBC. This is important because my wife and her >>family all exchange voicemails with each other onthe>>SBC voicemail system. They can leave messages for >>each other without having the phones ring, etc...We>>have a 2 yr old at home, and her sister has somesmall>>kids too, so that's how they manage to sendvoicemails>>when they are unsure if the kids are sleeping,etc...>>Anyway, preserving this capability of using the SBCVM>>and being notified when a message is waiting is >>critical for good WAF. >> >>The vonage line and voipjet line can be intergrated >>into the Asterisk VM. My Nortel venture phoneslight>>the MWI if any line has VM on it, and the display >>tells you which lines have VM waiting. I would love >>to be able to duplicate this function on thePolycom's>>and hopefully the Sipura's as well. >> >>I've looked for answers on this, but haven't found >>one, hence the post. My apologies if I have missed >>something. >> >>Thanks much, >>Mike > > >You haven't missed much. >With SBC you are out of luck, since Asterisk doesn't >detect dialtone ( >it dials blind, sometimes too quickly for the CO to >catch the first >digit, resulting in wrong numbers )) or stutter >dialtone either, and >reportedly has had any indication of the DC status ofa POTS line>removed due to problems.>Only choice would to port the number to a VOIP >provider and provide the >VM in Asterisk. >Similar problem with Vonage VM.>John NovackWow, this is a serious problem for me. I don't need to actually check the voicemail itself from Asterisk, just to be able to tell that there is voicemail waiting. Are you saying there is no way in Asterisk to do this? Is that true for using Digium hardware as well as FXO ports on a SIP ATA? Vonage VM doesn't matter to me, since I'll turn it off and use Asterisk for that functionality, but determining SBC's VM status is very important. My whole wife's family (multiple households) uses it. In the past, if one family tried to switch to a non SBC provider, they always returned in less than a week because of lack of VM interoperation. So my wife will put the kibosh on the whole Asterisk project unless I can light the MWI light when SBC VM is waiting. Since the cheapest analog phones can do this, I don't think she's going to understand that these $200 Polycom phones can't... :-( Is there no way around this? Thanks, Mike ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Chris A. Icide wrote:>Here is what I would do. Install a TDM04 card with a >couple fxos. >Connect the analog phones that your wife will beusing >to the tdm card.>In zapata.conf, set those phones to immediate=yes,and >when you get an>event on the fxo port, connect it to the fxs portwith >the stutter>tone. This way, when she picks up the phone, it will >immediately >connect her to the sbc provided dial tone, and shecan >hear the stutter>or lack thereof. When a call comes inbout however, >you can still route >it as you want.>Not a perfect solution, since the phones she will be >using are forced to >use SBC, but the best solution I can think of.>-ChrisThanks, but my wife never pays attention to the stutter tone, just the MWI. I know I can light the Polycom's MWI under Asterisk's control, but if Asterisk can't hear the FSK tone then it's not useful... Also, she will definitely want to use the new phones, since she makes heavy use of intercom functions in our current venture phones. I was raised on a farm and learned it was Ok to raise voice gain to the level that the signal would be receieved. But my wife was raised in the suburbs with a tight vocal AGC was in effect, and when the AGC threshold was exceeded in our house, the channel would go silent for long periods of time after a momementary burst of noise that overloaded my frontend. :-) The intercom solved the problem for our marriage. Thanks, Mike ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Robert Webb wrote:>Or, could you use something like the zap_barge option >tied >into a routine that monitors for the FSK and thenwhen >it>is received, it then runs the routine that is alreadyin>place to set the MWI for the FXS ports.>Crude, I know, but the only way I can think of topass >it.>RobertRobert, this is interesting. From what I can tell zap_barge allows ASterisk to connect to an ongoing call, but I don't think this will work since FSK tones are sent when no call is present. Also, how would I write a routine that detects the FSK tones? Is there a generic DSP function that could be used for this? Thanks, Mike ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Does this just sound worse than it is?>> "With SBC you are out of luck, since Asterisk doesn't detect dialtone ( >> it dials blind, sometimes too quickly for the CO to catch the first >> digit, resulting in wrong numbers )) or stutter dialtone either, and >> reportedly has had any indication of the DC status of a POTS line >> removed due to problems."-----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of John Novack Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:42 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] passing through MWI info from SBC Mike Myers wrote:>Hi.. I am about to replace my aging Nortel Venture >system with an Asterisk system and 6 Polycom IP 501 >phones, and a couple sipura 841's for less used areas. > >We have 3 phone lines here. One is SBC, one Vonage, >and one Voipjet... One hangup is that I can't figure >out how to pass through a voicemail waiting indication >from SBC. This is important because my wife and her >family all exchange voicemails with each other on the >SBC voicemail system. They can leave messages for >each other without having the phones ring, etc... We >have a 2 yr old at home, and her sister has some small >kids too, so that's how they manage to send voicemails >when they are unsure if the kids are sleeping, etc... >Anyway, preserving this capability of using the SBC VM >and being notified when a message is waiting is >critical for good WAF. > >The vonage line and voipjet line can be intergrated >into the Asterisk VM. My Nortel venture phones light >the MWI if any line has VM on it, and the display >tells you which lines have VM waiting. I would love >to be able to duplicate this function on the Polycom's >and hopefully the Sipura's as well. > >I've looked for answers on this, but haven't found >one, hence the post. My apologies if I have missed >something. > >Thanks much, >Mike > >You haven't missed much. With SBC you are out of luck, since Asterisk doesn't detect dialtone ( it dials blind, sometimes too quickly for the CO to catch the first digit, resulting in wrong numbers )) or stutter dialtone either, and reportedly has had any indication of the DC status of a POTS line removed due to problems. Only choice would to port the number to a VOIP provider and provide the VM in Asterisk. Similar problem with Vonage VM. John Novack _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Jon Radon wrote:>Woah woah woah.. why not just disable SBC voicemail >and have asterisk >handle it? I don't understand why you would go to >such great lengths >when you can just have Asterisk deal with it.Jon, etc..., the issue here is her family all uses special features of SBC voicemail. E.g. Her mom leaves a VM for my wife at 10:30 PM after the baby is asleep without fear of ringing the phones and possibly waking up the baby. They use it like email. They sign in and create messages, and even send a message to multiple recipients, all without ever ringing the phone. When a VM is recieved the destination party's MWI lights and whenever this is detected, they dail the SBC VM and listen to the message, reply, etc... Since SBC VM doesn't network with Asterisk or anyone else, I need to find a way of passing the MWI info from the SBC line to the handsets in the house, else my wife won't know the she has VM from her family, and then the whole system breaks down. As I said before, everyone in her family has SBC VM. Anytime one of the husbands moved someone off of SBC, they were back in less than a week after realizing it broke how the family used voicemail. I can't get my wife off of SBC VM and onto Asterisk without moving everyone else off, which is very hard, and then I'd have to do training and answer any complaints, etc... So that's why I need to be able to have asterisk detect a message waiting on the SBC VM system and display it. Unless I can be backward compatible with the current analog phone system we have, the whole asterisk project will be nixed, and I'll have to go buy some more Venture handsets to replace the broken ones. :-( Thanks, Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com