asterisk users - Jun 2005 - VoipJet TOS (was Teliax and also LiveVoip)

One would assume they have better things to do as they are quite busy.
I think this is just a proactive measure meaning they say you cannot do
it upfront so that in the event of a problem, it was predeclared.  As to
the rest of the TOS, I could be wrong but I got the impression that the
owner of VoipJet speaks English as a second language due to some email
exchanges.  If that is the case, the TOS issue can just be one of
cultural and language variation.  I could be totally wrong though...

Regardless, one can assume that the ability to listen to calls is there.
It just could not possibly be worth anyone's time to do so.

Unless you have nuclear secrets or something I would not worry about
listeners...

Cheers,
Wiley


-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of hank
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:57 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: teliax [Was: LiveVoip is Bankrupt]

how do they know if your calling your tax dude or something? what do
they do 
monitor the calls or something?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Goerzen" <jgoerzen@complete.org>
To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Re: teliax [Was: LiveVoip is Bankrupt]

> On 2005-06-28, r00t <intrusiondetection@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'll second voipjet for outbound only. While many reported problems
to
>
> VoipJet bothers me for two reasons.  First, their terms of service are
> absolutely insane.  Users are specifically forbidden to place calls
> regarding medical or financial matters over VoipJet.  So I couldn't
call
> my tax preparer or schedule a doctor appointment under their contract.
> There are many other insane things about it; see the thread at
>
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2005-March/094251.html.
> One of the little gems is that if you tell anyone you use VoipJet, you
> violate your contract.  So all of you that have been praising your
> VoipJet service here: prepare to be disconnected! :-)
>
> Secondly, they are not honest about what they are doing.  They clearly
> are aiming some services at small self-sufficient end-users, yet they
> claim to provide services to commercial carriers only (and their ToS
> tries to enforce that.)  Got to love little statements like "Emerging
> VoIP service providers can make payments through PayPal".
>
> -- John
>
>
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On Tuesday 28 June 2005 15:02, Wiley Siler wrote:
> One would assume they have better things to do as they are quite busy.
> I think this is just a proactive measure meaning they say you cannot do
> it upfront so that in the event of a problem, it was predeclared.  As to
> the rest of the TOS, I could be wrong but I got the impression that the
> owner of VoipJet speaks English as a second language due to some email
> exchanges.  If that is the case, the TOS issue can just be one of
> cultural and language variation.  I could be totally wrong though...
>
> Regardless, one can assume that the ability to listen to calls is there.
And quite frankly is usually illegal. AOL used to get around that by having 
their EULA say that AOL owns all the emails etc.

-- 

Steve Szmidt

"They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety 
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
                                Benjamin Franklin