So far my experience with TOS has been that most of them are pretty odd. No one wants the liability of a stock trade gone foul or a call to the doctor that gets disconnected. Essentially, those things in the TOS are just a CYA. They are un-enforced but should someone decide to attempt to sue based upon a financial loss, the ITSP is covered. So, yep. That is weird but not unexpected. Heaven knows there have been worse out there. I can tell you that in my experience, VoiPJet (Oh, no I named them! LOL) has been the best dial tone I have gotten for my LD via VOIP. NuFone is a close second. YMMV and you have to be willing to overlook the quirky TOS. Cheers, Wiley -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of John Goerzen Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:46 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Re: teliax [Was: LiveVoip is Bankrupt] On 2005-06-28, r00t <intrusiondetection@gmail.com> wrote:> I'll second voipjet for outbound only. While many reported problems toVoipJet bothers me for two reasons. First, their terms of service are absolutely insane. Users are specifically forbidden to place calls regarding medical or financial matters over VoipJet. So I couldn't call my tax preparer or schedule a doctor appointment under their contract. There are many other insane things about it; see the thread at http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2005-March/094251.html. One of the little gems is that if you tell anyone you use VoipJet, you violate your contract. So all of you that have been praising your VoipJet service here: prepare to be disconnected! :-) Secondly, they are not honest about what they are doing. They clearly are aiming some services at small self-sufficient end-users, yet they claim to provide services to commercial carriers only (and their ToS tries to enforce that.) Got to love little statements like "Emerging VoIP service providers can make payments through PayPal". -- John _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
John Goerzen
2005-Jun-28 08:23 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Re: teliax [Was: LiveVoip is Bankrupt]
On 2005-06-28, Wiley Siler <wsiler@education2020.com> wrote:> So far my experience with TOS has been that most of them are pretty odd.Not THAT odd :-)> No one wants the liability of a stock trade gone foul or a call to the > doctor that gets disconnected. Essentially, those things in the TOS are > just a CYA. They are un-enforced but should someone decide to attempt > to sue based upon a financial loss, the ITSP is covered.There is a difference between making users agree not to hold them liable for these things, and forbidding users from doing these things altogether. It is also weird that users are forbidden to tell others that they use VoipJet.