Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart
Tracy R Reed
2005-Jan-11 22:15 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Re: [Asterisk-biz] SS7 and Asterisk solution
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:44:19PM -0300, Bartosz Jozwiak spake thusly:> We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. > It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. > Could anybody suggest something?I see a lot of people asking for asterisk and ss7. Just what exactly do these people intend to use SS7 for? There are other platforms you can buy which do speak SS7 for not unreasonable money. Asterisk seems like it might be the wrong place to be putting SS7. -- Tracy Reed http://copilotcom.com This message is cryptographically signed for your protection. Info: http://copilotconsulting.com/sig -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050111/6d5d81d6/attachment.pgp
Hi Bartosz, We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial details. Regards, Steve Bartosz Jozwiak wrote:> Hello, > > We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. > It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. > Could anybody suggest something? > > Thank you in advance. > Bart
Steve Underwood
2005-Jan-12 05:13 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Re: [Asterisk-biz] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Tracy R Reed wrote:>On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:44:19PM -0300, Bartosz Jozwiak spake thusly: > > >>We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. >>It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. >>Could anybody suggest something? >> >> > >I see a lot of people asking for asterisk and ss7. Just what exactly do >these people intend to use SS7 for? There are other platforms you can buy >which do speak SS7 for not unreasonable money. Asterisk seems like it >might be the wrong place to be putting SS7. > >For many people SS7 is simply a requirement they have no control over. Asterisk is a perfectly good platform for many SS7 users. You must be very rich of you think many SS7 solutions are not unreasonably priced. On the other hand, we have a very reasonably priced solution for SS7 on Asterisk :-) Steve
Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology. That is what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now send traffic to them directly as SIP. -Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bartosz Jozwiak" <bartek@cq-link.sr> To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Cc: <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution> Hello, > > We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. > It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. > Could anybody suggest something? > > Thank you in advance. > Bart > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Underwood > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:10 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution > > Matthew Boehm wrote: > > >Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology.That> is > >what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now send > traffic > >to them directly as SIP. > > > > > So how do I connect to a PSTN line by SIP? :-) > > SS7 is the basis for the entire world's telephone network signalling. > New forms which run over IP are being deployed. Even if the last > remaining fragments of the PSTN are shut down, and everything on land > lines is IP based, SS7 is still the core protocol for the cellular > networks - GSM-A, for example, is built upon SS7. Of course, itsalways> possible WiMAX might shut those down too. :-) > > Regards, > Steve >Steve, So you do not think that SIGTRAN has legs? Damon
Damon Estep wrote:>Steve, > >So you do not think that SIGTRAN has legs? > >Damon > >Dunno. If there are a huge proliferation of IP telephony, what part would SIGTRAN play? Seems like its superfluous in that scenario. Like I said, its being deployed now, but that is mostly within the existing PSTN framework - SS7 over IP instead of MTP controlling the good old switched circuits. What future role do you see for it? Regards, Steve
> Damon Estep wrote: > > >Steve, > > > >So you do not think that SIGTRAN has legs? > > > >Damon > > > > > Dunno. If there are a huge proliferation of IP telephony, what part > would SIGTRAN play? Seems like its superfluous in that scenario. LikeI> said, its being deployed now, but that is mostly within the existing > PSTN framework - SS7 over IP instead of MTP controlling the good old > switched circuits. What future role do you see for it? > > Regards, > Steve >Hard to tell this early on, but is seems like the main goal of a lot of VoIP service providers (including us) is to bypass the PSTN in every way possible. If VoIP ever reaches critical mass, which is likely, it would make sense for the VoIP providers to bypass SS7 and find a way to exchange information without it. It seems to me the main reason to go SS7 is to be able to bill carriers for termination on your network and gain access to Inter-Machine Trunks. VoIP providers are not really collecting a lot of termination money right now; it is usually the upstream provider that running the class 5 switches that receives that revenue. VoIP providers are more concerned with being able to offer free long distance, which requires toll bypass via VoIP. I do not have a great education on the issue, but what I do know indicates that a lot of the domestic long distance, particularly the calling card portion, already bypasses large PSTN spans. Once the value of being able to collect termination fees deteriorates it is likely that the system that drives it will deteriorate as well. One thing that I think confuses the issue is local number portability, since it will be much harder to route calls as the NPA/NXX boundaries disappear. I am obviously speaking from a USA perspective. At some point you have to get in "front" of the SS7 network to know when you can bypass it, and that will have to come in the form of a public registry of phone numbers, much like ARIN/APIC/RIPE do now or IP numbers. Again local number portability really mucks this up. Who knows? I think we would both agree that for the near future SS7 is reality and there is a market for an * implementation as long as he US based RBOCs will certify it.
Hi Steve, That would be great. I am very interested to get in touch as soon as possible with somebody who could offer such a solution. Bartosz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Underwood" <steveu@coppice.org> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution> Hi Bartosz, > > We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, > and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of > customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a > commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, > I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial > details. > > Regards, > Steve > > Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. >> It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. >> Could anybody suggest something? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> Bart > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
We have the problem that our telecoms provider deals mainly in SS7 (C7, and it seems most in the UK do). For us to take EuroISDN off them, with the same features as SS7, we have to be put through a protocol converter, now this isn't an issue for us, but it is for them. Most UK phone companies (i.e. BT or the smaller regional carriers) all use SS7, everywhere! For the most part they don't accept VoIP termination (although I think BT might have some facilities for this). So they very much try and push SS7 on interconnects. And that's why SS7, for me (and I think for quite a few others taking PRI style links in the UK) is so important. Ben -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Boehm Sent: 12 January 2005 17:02 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution We terminate local calls over PRI. Everything else goes out VoIP via SIP to national carriers and they terminate it. Can't you use a channel bank or an FX card to connect to PSTN? Or PRI.. -Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Underwood" <steveu@coppice.org> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution> Matthew Boehm wrote: > > >Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology.That is> >what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now sendtraffic> >to them directly as SIP. > > > > > So how do I connect to a PSTN line by SIP? :-) > > SS7 is the basis for the entire world's telephone network signalling. > New forms which run over IP are being deployed. Even if the last > remaining fragments of the PSTN are shut down, and everything on land > lines is IP based, SS7 is still the core protocol for the cellular > networks - GSM-A, for example, is built upon SS7. Of course, itsalways> possible WiMAX might shut those down too. :-) > > Regards, > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Ha ha ha you are kidding right Chris? Americans are the most arrogant people on the face of the planet. Lets not make this a 'holy war' about nationalities we all have our own shortcomings (like aussies who would prefer to sink piss (beer) rather than expend our energies in more significant areas) but this has to be said. Cheers, Dean -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Chris Modesitt Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution> ahh..american arroganceExcuse me but I am an American, and while I have rightly been accused of many things most of us aren't arrogant. You must have a superiority complex to be making comments like that to a list of over 800 people. Chris. _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
If you are looking for a SS7 solution right now with out paying anything more for asterisk you can purchase a solution from Verisign called SIP-7. You send your signaling to them and they send the RTP to your media gateway. From what I understand its very efficient and offers all the same features as SS7 does. They also have an interconnect with Cable and Wireless in the UK for services there. .o-------------------------------------------------------o. Brian Fertig Network Engineer Planet Telecom, Inc. Tampa, FL Office -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:30:31PM -0000, Ben Merrills wrote:> We have the problem that our telecoms provider deals mainly in SS7(C7,> and it seems most in the UK do). For us to take EuroISDN off them,with> the same features as SS7, we have to be put through a protocol > converter, now this isn't an issue for us, but it is for them. > Most UK phone companies (i.e. BT or the smaller regional carriers) all > use SS7, everywhere! For the most part they don't accept VoIP > termination (although I think BT might have some facilities for this). > So they very much try and push SS7 on interconnects. > And that's why SS7, for me (and I think for quite a few others taking > PRI style links in the UK) is so important.Unfortunately SS7 comes at a cost. In the UK to talk to a telco using SS7 you generally needed a Telecomms license (which mandates telcos to interchange traffic with you). Now telco licenses have been scrapped (as per EU directives and the Communications Act) you're just meant to be able to ask etc. However they can demand that your SS7 stack is certified, and BT take about 6 months to provision/test an SS7 voice interconnect, other telcos may take longer. If you scr*w up at the SS7 level, they'll disconnect you as fast as you can shout "sorry", and they can refuse to interconnect with you ever again !!! You also have to be running the right version of SS7 (I think the latest is UK8, though a lot of operators are running UK7). Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Tracy R Reed
2005-Jan-13 14:23 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Re: [Asterisk-biz] SS7 and Asterisk solution
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 01:44:16PM -0600, Rehan Ahmed spake thusly:> can u point us to where we can buy cheap ss7 solutionCan you tell me why you think you need one? -- Tracy Reed http://copilotcom.com This message is cryptographically signed for your protection. Info: http://copilotconsulting.com/sig -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050113/01193b3e/attachment.pgp
Hi Steve, I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. Thank you in advance, Felix Skwarczynski Steve Underwood wrote:> Hi Bartosz, > > We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test > sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range > of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a > commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to > you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the > commercial details. > > Regards, > Steve > > Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. >> It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. >> Could anybody suggest something? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> Bart > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Steve, I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would very much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact me off list. Cheers, Ben Merrills Griffin Internet -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Felix Skwarczynski Sent: 14 January 2005 09:23 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Hi Steve, I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. Thank you in advance, Felix Skwarczynski Steve Underwood wrote:> Hi Bartosz, > > We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test > sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range > of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a > commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to > you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the > commercial details. > > Regards, > Steve > > Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. >> It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. >> Could anybody suggest something? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> Bart > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a > commercially licenced copy of Asterisk.Why does it have to be commercially licenced? -Matthew
Steve, Add another one to your list. The sooner really you can get me information the better. Sean Lowry -----Original Message----- From: Ben Merrills [mailto:ben@griffin.com] Sent: 14 January 2005 09:33 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Steve, I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would very much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact me off list. Cheers, Ben Merrills Griffin Internet -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Felix Skwarczynski Sent: 14 January 2005 09:23 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Hi Steve, I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. Thank you in advance, Felix Skwarczynski Steve Underwood wrote:> Hi Bartosz, > > We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test > sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range > of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a > commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to > you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the > commercial details. > > Regards, > Steve > > Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. >> It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. >> Could anybody suggest something? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> Bart > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Steve, Please add me also to your list interested in an SS7 solution... we are starting a development project of our own and would like to make a buy vs. build decision soon. -- Mike Murdock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Lowry" <Sean.Lowry@keycom.co.uk> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution> Steve, > > Add another one to your list. The sooner really you can get me information > the better. > > Sean Lowry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Merrills [mailto:ben@griffin.com] > Sent: 14 January 2005 09:33 > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution > > Steve, > > I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would very > much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact me off > list. > > Cheers, > > Ben Merrills > Griffin Internet > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Felix > Skwarczynski > Sent: 14 January 2005 09:23 > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution > > Hi Steve, > > I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put > > me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. > > Thank you in advance, > Felix Skwarczynski > > Steve Underwood wrote: > > > Hi Bartosz, > > > > We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test > > sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range > > of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a > > commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to > > you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the > > commercial details. > > > > Regards, > > Steve > > > > Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. > >> It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. > >> Could anybody suggest something? > >> > >> Thank you in advance. > >> Bart > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:01:52 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote:> Why does it have to be commercially licenced?Without it, the SS7 software would be linking to GPL software which means they would have to GPL the code too. So the only way to get commercial SS7 is to have it with commercial asterisk. m.
So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in conjunction with asterisk? Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: "izo" <marcin.izo@gmail.com> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:01:52 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: > > Why does it have to be commercially licenced? > > Without it, the SS7 software would be linking to GPL software which > means they would have > to GPL the code too. So the only way to get commercial SS7 is to have > it with commercial > asterisk. > > m. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 14:09 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote:> So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in > conjunction with asterisk?Time for you to go learn about the GPL. Time to go learn about proper trimming of an email. Time to learn how to use the archives for information already given. Time to go learn a lot of things. Please add those 3 to your ToDo list though.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "izo" <marcin.izo@gmail.com> > To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" > <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:01:52 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: > > > Why does it have to be commercially licenced? > > > > Without it, the SS7 software would be linking to GPL software which > > means they would have > > to GPL the code too. So the only way to get commercial SS7 is to have > > it with commercial > > asterisk. > >-- Steven Critchfield <critch@basesys.com>
Eric Wieling aka ManxPower
2005-Jan-14 13:26 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Matthew Boehm wrote:> So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in > conjunction with asterisk?You cannot distribute a closed source add-on (except AGI) for Asterisk without a commercial license for Asterisk. This is just standard GPL stuff, not Asterisk sprcific.
Eric, Thank you for explaining this to me instead of being rude and bitching at me about my lack of GPL understanding. Sincerely, Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Wieling aka ManxPower" <eric@fnords.org> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution> Matthew Boehm wrote: > > So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in > > conjunction with asterisk? > > You cannot distribute a closed source add-on (except AGI) for Asterisk > without a commercial license for Asterisk. This is just standard GPL > stuff, not Asterisk sprcific. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Steve, Highly interested as well, let me know with the other interested parties. Hadi.> -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Merrills [mailto:ben@griffin.com] > Sent: 14 January 2005 09:33 > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution > > Steve, > > I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would > very much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact > me off list. > > Cheers, > > Ben Merrills > Griffin Internet-- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005
In article <41E82B0F.9060507@fnords.org>, Eric Wieling aka ManxPower <eric@fnords.org> wrote:> Matthew Boehm wrote: > > So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in > > conjunction with asterisk? > > You cannot distribute a closed source add-on (except AGI) for Asterisk > without a commercial license for Asterisk. This is just standard GPL > stuff, not Asterisk sprcific.To be more specific, if it is code that links with Asterisk at the object code level (i.e. it is compiled directly in, or lives in a .so file in /usr/lib/asterisk/modules), then that code either has to be GPL, or else the copy of Asterisk must be commercially licensed. Code that is a separate executable, and only communicates with Asterisk via a communication channel (e.g. AGI, Manager API, etc) does not have to be GPL in order to be used with a GPL Asterisk. Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: tony@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: tony@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org
On 15 Jan 2005, at 11:26, Tony Mountifield wrote:> In article <41E82B0F.9060507@fnords.org>, > Eric Wieling aka ManxPower <eric@fnords.org> wrote: >> Matthew Boehm wrote: >>> So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products >>> in >>> conjunction with asterisk? >> >> You cannot distribute a closed source add-on (except AGI) for Asterisk >> without a commercial license for Asterisk. This is just standard GPL >> stuff, not Asterisk sprcific. > > To be more specific, if it is code that links with Asterisk at the > object > code level (i.e. it is compiled directly in, or lives in a .so file in > /usr/lib/asterisk/modules), then that code either has to be GPL, or > else > the copy of Asterisk must be commercially licensed. > > Code that is a separate executable, and only communicates with Asterisk > via a communication channel (e.g. AGI, Manager API, etc) does not have > to be GPL in order to be used with a GPL Asterisk.Erm, at the risk of getting flamed, where does IAX come into this picture? If I re-implement IAX(2) in a different language (not using iaxcomm except as a refererence or test ) and want to sell a product based on it can I do that, or do I need a license ? (I come from a BSD background, so the implications GPL still confuse me) T.
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, tim panton wrote:> Erm, at the risk of getting flamed, where does IAX come into this > picture? If I re-implement IAX(2) in a different language (not using > iaxcomm except as a refererence or test ) and want to sell a product > based on it can I do that, or do I need a license ?You are probably ok without a comercial license. It depends on how heavily you borrow directly from the gpl:ed source. The usual (unclear to me) rules for what constitutes a "derived work" applies. If you start from the specification there should be no problem whatsoever. When in doubt contact the original author and/or your legal councel. Peter
tim panton wrote:> Erm, at the risk of getting flamed, where does IAX come into this > picture? > If I re-implement IAX(2) in a different language (not using iaxcomm > except as > a refererence or test ) > and want to sell a product based on it can I do that, or do I need a > license ? > > (I come from a BSD background, so the implications GPL still confuse me) > T.If you are implementing fresh code that simply follows the same protocol, why would you expect any problems? Nobody is claiming patents or other ties on the protocol itself. Steve
Same here, interested in the details of a SS7/Asterisk solution. Regards MIKE> Steve, > > I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would very > much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact me off > list. > > Cheers, > > Ben Merrills > Griffin Internet > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Felix > Skwarczynski > Sent: 14 January 2005 09:23 > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution > > Hi Steve, > > I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put > > me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. > > Thank you in advance, > Felix Skwarczynski > > Steve Underwood wrote: > > > Hi Bartosz, > > > > We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test > > sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range > > of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a > > commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to > > you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the > > commercial details. > > > > Regards, > > Steve > > > > Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. > >> It does not need to be "build-in" with Asterisk. > >> Could anybody suggest something? > >> > >> Thank you in advance. > >> Bart > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >