What started out as a good thing for the community has veared it ugly head and will come back to bite us in the ass. I give my respect to the two companies that decided to put themselves 'out there' and attempted to bring 'real world' certifications of knowledge in an area that is unregulated, open, and currently has no measurement of how much one person has over another. What makes me different than the person next door selling the same solution. We both have access to the hardware, software and newsgroups. What is there to tell the customer that _I_ am better suited to solve the customers' problem or implement a solution that will work?? Nothing! We are faced with a growing install base and many who put together systems are doing it for the first time. Sure any customers will get fed up with Asterisk and vie never to use it again. Others, like many customers' that I have found like it but need a someone with expertise to help them through the tough configs. Will Asterisk certification help me, depends. My strength not only lie in the configuration and modification of Asterisk but in the whole telecom and networking expeiriance that I have. This is new stuff, you must know about MTU, E1, T1, PRI, FXO, FXS, TCP, UDP, Linux, Iptables, http, Nat, etc. Tell me why you can still talk to someone clearly, but are not able to use a modem past 2400 baud at a hotel, and you'll understand codecs and how they interoperate. We conserned ourselves with being 'left out' of a certification that may not actually reflect what we know is needed to do what we do. I have never or probably never hired someing because of certifications alone. You got um, good! Go fix the problem, that was not covered in 'the book'!! -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Voip Business Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:41 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Hello Guys, I think this is not bad (Certification) While is a real certification like Cisco , Novell, etc. how many of us have a cisco certification or even Micro-$hit. In my point of vew this 3K buck are well spended if I want to have the skills quick to put hand-on. and as per Brian comment , not just a simple config. just think about how much you guys charge per hour, and how many hours you all ready spend in learning, those 3000 bucks are really a joke. I think those certified guys need to place the training agenda in the Commercial posrt. I really like tho se certifications (Y) Regards HA On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:53:47 -0600, Brian West <brian@bkw.org> wrote:> No disrespect here but... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!! > > This is a joke right? I has to be. :P > > bkw > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com[mailto:asterisk-users-> > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of James Taylor > > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:24 AM > > To: asterisk@dotr.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial > > Discussion > > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification > > > > Alternate Certification > > > > For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5day> > certification class, > > here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! > > > > www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm > > > > Asterisk is a good product. > > Some people "need" certification. > > > > A mature "product" needs "certified" professionals. > > Asterisk is maturing. > > > > Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? > > There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who nevergot> > the white lab coat. > > > > There is a place for cetification. > > It helps all of us, even those who never become "certified". > > > > > > -- > > James Taylor > > 3505 Summerhll Road > > Suite 11 > > Texarkana, Texas 75503 > > 903-793-1956 > > _______________________________________________ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Greg - Cirelle Enterprises
2004-Dec-22 10:26 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
certify this....
> What started out as a good thing for the community has veared it ugly > head and will come back to bite us in the ass. I give my respect to the > two companies that decided to put themselves 'out there' and attempted > to bring 'real world' certifications of knowledge in an area that is > unregulated, open, and currently has no measurement of how much one > person has over another.I never said this was a bad idea... And I'm not against it at all if people wish to pay for it that's fine. I don't however feel that Steve and the boys should have a monopoly on it. From what I was told you'll have to go to Steve and the boys to buy a franchise to become a trainer and pay ... and you think $3,275 USD was a lot... just think what they would charge to become a dCap trainer?!?!?!? That's one problem with this... ANY company should be able to signup to become dCap trainers. The way the whole thing was presented was what the problem was... things were left out and over looked that's what I had the most problem with. Now to be honest if you were going to pay the 3k for the course you should walk out with a something like a Dell 420SC and a T1 card for that price. I feel that would be the only way to really make it balance at that price. bkw
Man, this is sick! :-))) Isn't there a law against unclearly-marked jokes (except on April 1st, of course)? Some people could even take you seriously! :-)) Most relevant points in the web page: "Starting a telephone company or consulting business is easy." "We authorize you to perform all Asterisk services including the rites of Interconnection and Arbitration." "You will also be authorized to put the ???*??? symbol after your name ??? much like: ???PHD, MD, DDS, CLU, ETC.??? Just picture your business card: John Smith *" "this in itself gives you the chance to earn extra money to support your Asterisk habit and family" "Save 50% send CASH or Postal Money Order to our office in the Cayman Islands" I'm rolling on the floor here :-)))) Regards, Telmo. On Sun Aug 22 7:24 , 'James Taylor' <jltaylor@metrotel.net> sent:>Alternate Certification > >For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day >certification class, >here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! > >www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm > >Asterisk is a good product. >Some people "need" certification. > >A mature "product" needs "certified" professionals. >Asterisk is maturing. > >Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? >There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got >the white lab coat. > >There is a place for cetification. >It helps all of us, even those who never become "certified". > > >-- >James Taylor >3505 Summerhll Road >Suite 11 >Texarkana, Texas 75503 >903-793-1956 >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users---- SeeqMail - the only email you'll ever need Starts Here Sign up for FREE personalized email today: http://www.seeqmail.com http://www.Grassroots.org/ - Make Change! ----
I agree.. No certs needed. I know * better than probably all of your students combined dude.. I agree with BKW.. .o-------------------------------------------------------o. Brian Fertig Network Engineer -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Brian West Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:54 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification No disrespect here but... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!! This is a joke right? I has to be. :P bkw> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of James Taylor > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:24 AM > To: asterisk@dotr.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial > Discussion > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification > > Alternate Certification > > For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5day> certification class, > here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! > > www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm > > Asterisk is a good product. > Some people "need" certification. > > A mature "product" needs "certified" professionals. > Asterisk is maturing. > > Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? > There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who nevergot> the white lab coat. > > There is a place for cetification. > It helps all of us, even those who never become "certified". > > > -- > James Taylor > 3505 Summerhll Road > Suite 11 > Texarkana, Texas 75503 > 903-793-1956 > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Agreed, You have a strong point about the Monopoly aspect of the whole thing. My .02 would be to have this be a Digium product. Heck, Mark DID invent the thing and HE holds the copyright to it. I have faith in Mark and what he can do when he gets back from France. When I taught Sun and SCO classes (flame throwers down, please) it was SCO corporate that provided the Certification, albeit outsourced but it was from the same people that put out the OS. In order to be an instructor you needed to have taken the course or have 'tested out' and had to have a score above 90 on your exam. (70 was passing). This allows the certification program to grow as your instructors know the course material and will be able to teach students with real world situations. You would purchase the course materials at a 60% discount. For the 40% they would handle certs, and testing at Sylvan. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Brian West Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:48 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification> What started out as a good thing for the community has veared it ugly > head and will come back to bite us in the ass. I give my respect tothe> two companies that decided to put themselves 'out there' and attempted > to bring 'real world' certifications of knowledge in an area that is > unregulated, open, and currently has no measurement of how much one > person has over another.I never said this was a bad idea... And I'm not against it at all if people wish to pay for it that's fine. I don't however feel that Steve and the boys should have a monopoly on it. From what I was told you'll have to go to Steve and the boys to buy a franchise to become a trainer and pay ... and you think $3,275 USD was a lot... just think what they would charge to become a dCap trainer?!?!?!? That's one problem with this... ANY company should be able to signup to become dCap trainers. The way the whole thing was presented was what the problem was... things were left out and over looked that's what I had the most problem with. Now to be honest if you were going to pay the 3k for the course you should walk out with a something like a Dell 420SC and a T1 card for that price. I feel that would be the only way to really make it balance at that price. bkw _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users